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On May 31 2012 19:02 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 18:37 frontliner2 wrote:
I kind of fail hating Joffrey, he is a boy, yes a boy, with the most power over all. How is he expected to make well thought and morally acceptable decisions?
Anyone 25+ will have to admit that his views on morals and honor have changed dramatically compared to their morals when they were boys. He has no excuse, really. Everyone around him is pointing out how much of a douchebag and idiot he is, and they're not even clandestine about it --- everyone says this right in his face. Instead of manning up and taking his job as a king and advice he's being given by people more versed in the ways of court, politics, etiquette and life in general seriously, our beloved king Joffrey Baratheon decides to remain nothing more but a cruel, spoiled child. There is no hope for him. I guess it would be fine if he were man enough to be able to instill fear in other ways than through random cruelty being delivered by his scary lackeys. If, for example, Joff would once take up his sword and personally carve up some badass for insulting him, then everything changes, all the fear would be justified as it would be backed up with some respect. As is, his randomness is what people fear but no one has any respect for him for anything. If you can't get respect through whatever means (fear, kindness, cunning, calculated cruelty, etc.), you most likely won't be king for long.
I agree actually. But a child nonentheless
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On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_>
Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand.
Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once
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On May 31 2012 16:29 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:36 Corrik wrote:On May 31 2012 12:16 Flik wrote:On May 31 2012 11:56 Sub40APM wrote:On May 31 2012 07:21 Corrik wrote:On May 30 2012 06:48 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 06:17 Corrik wrote:On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:On May 30 2012 04:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:
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What?? How are Arya, Sansa, Rob, and Jon not believable? Or Theon? Or Littlefinger or Varys? There are plenty of cool characters in this show.
Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information. I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have. By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though. I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character. On May 30 2012 04:18 FREEloss_ca wrote:
But at the same time you have to understand his position. He was only 17 when he stabbed the Mad King; he was young and confused. He was most definitely torn, facing a horrible dilemma. After all, the man he was sworn to protect turned into a murderous maniac. The honourable thing to do would have been to have died defending the Mad King, or perhaps forsake his oath and flee King's Landing as soon as Aeries went Mad and joined the rebellion. Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid? Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity? Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb. Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb. Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive. You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?! Robb is stupid, Jon is stupid, Theon is stupid, and Sansa is arguably stupid. Jon is stupid the same way Ned Stark was. He puts his vows way above common sense at times and makes a big deal about following them to a T while others clearly skirt around the vow. Robb lost his entire Kingdom and had his home burnt to the ground. He sent a Greyjoy, sworn enemies, to the Greyjoys to ask them for help? Thanks for handing over Winterfell. He may have never lost a battle but he has already lost basically his entire Kingdom. Theon is stupid... the show clearly spells this out for you and shows how immature and unsure of himself he is. Winterfell was a great success, but it was one they couldn't possibly hold. Greyjoy power rests on the sea. Sansa is smart but not smart. She is so keen on being a queen that she doesn't realize what is going on. BUT, she is smart enough to know when to play the part that is expected of her to not make things worse. You could say Sansa was dumb but wisened up. I'm sorry but you don't seem to be grasping the story quite right. Ned Stark wasn't at all stupid. He had principles. And he would have lived through everything with his honor intact if not for Joffrey's insanity. Smart people cannot account for insanity. Not even Joffrey's own family knew he was going to do what he did. How do you expect Ned Stark to be smart enough to have guessed that would happen? You're not understanding the world when you say Ned was stupid. You're just armchair quarterbacking in hindsight. There was nothing stupid about the way Ned did things. Ned helped put the Baratheon's on the throne. He was tired of war. He wanted peace and his daughters were stuck in the city with him. He couldn't count on the Goldcloaks betraying him, nor Littlefinger lying to him either. He tried to cover his bases while doing the right thing. At no point do I find Ned's actions idiotic, other than perhaps letting Cersei know that he knew about the true heritage of her children. But even then, Ned wasn't 100% sure. Not until he confronted Cersei with it. That was the only way for him to know for sure. So, no, I can't say I agree with you at all that Ned was stupid. Jon Snow. Vows above common sense? Lol?? Do you realize that if a Blackcloak is caught breaking his vows, he gets executed? Did you miss that part at the VERY beginning of the entire series? So you think it would be smarter for him to break his vows? I don't know which ones you're talking about that others "clearly skirt around." Because I'm pretty sure anyone who was caught doing so would be executed. Robb lost his entire kingdom... I hope you realize the North has a hell of a lot more castles than Winterfell and Torren's Square, seeing as that's all that's been taken by the Ironborn. When was his home burnt to the ground? I didn't see that part. Robb is King in the North. His entire Kingdom consists of dozens of castles, thousands of soldiers, hundreds of knights, and scores of lords. You are completely bonkers if you think the Greyjoys have taken over all of the North. Greyjoys were their sworn enemies... You do realize, the Greyjoys swore fealty and peace after being defeated right? To be a sworn enemy, you can't really swear fealty... The two are mutually exclusive. Greyjoys wouldn't send their son to hostage at Winterfell if they were sworn enemies. Again, you don't seem to grasp the nuance of the world. I also disagree about Theon holding Winterfell. Just because Asha doesn't think it can work, doesn't make that fact. Asha's just one person with one opinion. Theon probably knows Winterfell and its defenses a hell of a lot better than she does. She might be great on a ship and experienced with raiding villages, but that don't mean she knows jack about castle warfare. I have nothing else to say about Sansa, because I think you see why it's irrational to call her a stupid character at this point. Put simply, she's not stupid anymore. Ned lost his life because he was stupid. Littlefinger and Renly said as much to him. They handed him the keys to the throne. He refused them, and so Littlefinger turned on him and Renly fled. Jon Snow is one of the poorer examples of stupidity of the bunch, but he was the reason a few of his own Sworn Brothers were killed and that he is captured. He doesn't know which honor he is following and that's why his vows make him stupid. Am I following that in which women should not be harmed? Am I following that in which we must do whatever is required of a man in Black? Am I do that in which I wish to do as a man? Jon Snow is a confused man. His confusion led to the death of his Brothers and he remains captured. Robb lost the North. I know it was hard to understand somewhat, but the Ironmen also took Moat Caitlin. With Robb lacking ships, he has really no way of getting past this choke back into the North. Moat Cailtin is known to take 100-1000 men for each 1 you take. He is essentially stuck in the Riverlands, and his North has been rampaged, looted, and conquered. Not to mention that now he is messing with a girl while he is betrothed, who represents a House that controls the Twins and is very powerful. He is stupid. Theon... his stupidity is spelled out in the show. There is no reason for me to repeat upon it. The dialogue around Theon is there to show you what he is doing is totally dumb. Sansa was stupid. You forget how she lied for Joffrey and was so thrilled to be his queen despite her noticing he was very girlish and quite cruel. It wasn't until Ned's head rolled that Sansa finally understood what was going on. Then she wisened up and played her role perfectly. But, until that point, Sansa beleived in prince charming and being swept off her feet by the most gallant knight and that everything was perfect for she would be queen. She has finally learned now. Thus, she was stupid and wisened up. Arya is probably the smartest Stark. Dont forget Lady Stark, she is just as stupid as her son. She didn't know that capturing Tyrion would start a war, Robert was still alive at the time. Also it could be argued what started the war was Ned telling Cersei he knew about the twincest kids. Eddard wasn't in the heartland of the sworn enemy, he was Hand of the King for his best friend that sat on the Iron Throne. Catelyn arrested Tyrion because she thought he attempted murder on her son and wanted justice. Stannis and Renly hate each other, I don't know how she would get them to unite. She was at the summit between them and seen how poorly that went. She didn't think capturing a son of TYWIN LANNISTER would start a war? Lannister always pays his debts, Rains of Castamere / Etc. Remember she only didn't kill Tyrion because he outsmarted her. Ned told Cersei that he knew about things. That was like literally the worst thing he could have EVER done. Tell the person you mean to bring things upon that you are going to do it. Did he really think Cersei would flee King's Landing? He sealed his own death and that of his friend Roberts... and most of his household guard. Ned and Catelyn adhere to higher "moral standards" than most other characters in the book. Whether it is stupid to have high moral standards or not depends on your own moral compass I suppose, but Ned and Catelyn are honest, fair and both have strong beliefs in justice. Mind you, everything had to go wrong for the Starks for their actions to come back and hurt them, but whether you use hindsight and call that stupid or you say "damn, GRRM gave the Lannisters some thickass plot armour" depends on your own view on morality. That is, while you can blame the Starks for being too proud to sink to the level of the Lannisters to fight deception with deception, plot with plot, but on the other hand, they were in a position to not need to change given their initial advantage. Here's what fucked up for the Starks: 1. Robert getting killed by a boar 2. Littlefinger and the city watch betraying Ned 3. Sansa betraying her family 4. Joffrey's unpredictable execution of Ned 5. Lysa's stupidity leading to Tyrion's freedom6. Lysa betraying the Starks' war effort 7. Theon betraying the Starks' war effort 8. Renly being killed by magic 9. Stannis being a stubborn fool 10. The Tyrells siding with the Lannisters These are just what I can think up on the top of my head.
Tyrion evoked trial by combat and won, thats why he was released; Lysa couldn't really do anything.
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On May 31 2012 19:47 iKill[ShocK] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 16:29 1ntrigue wrote:On May 31 2012 12:36 Corrik wrote:On May 31 2012 12:16 Flik wrote:On May 31 2012 11:56 Sub40APM wrote:On May 31 2012 07:21 Corrik wrote:On May 30 2012 06:48 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 06:17 Corrik wrote:On May 30 2012 05:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:On May 30 2012 04:33 sc4k wrote:
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Various aspects of Arya's character scream 'artificial', she feels like the most 'forced' character, although having said that Danarys is definitely giving her a run for her money in that department. Littlefinger and Varys are unbelievable because they know too much information, and Martin gives an unrealistic and exaggerated amount of credit to the powers of spy networks to collect information.
I don't consider any of the other characters mentioned not believable but they fall into my other aspects. Stupid = Rob, Jon, Theon, Sansa. I should say that I don't really mean stupid as in half-wit, I just mean that they make irritatingly un-thought-out decisions. I know they are supposed to be young, but I don't want to watch young people make stupid choices on shows, it's just not the sort of thing I watch TV for. I dislike young people mostly, I don't usually watch shows where the majority of the characters are teenagers. Of course that's a personal preference so you are entitled to have whatever opinion you have.
By the way aside from reasons I have given there, I don't consider any of the characters you just mentioned to be 'cool'. Rob was the only one I was holding out for, but I just kind of lost interest when he started gawking at the medicine noblewoman. He might redeem himself though.
I should say that I do sympathise with Arya and I like her story more than most of the others, but I just don't like the forced aspects of her character.
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Haha, personally I would have done what Jaime did! How is Rob or Jon or Theon or Sansa stupid? Rob united the North and has won every battle he's fought against the Lannisters. Where is the stupidity? Jon is a bastard and was pretty much forced to go to the Wall by Catelyn Stark. Since going there, he's proven himself to be one of the best fighters and Mormont singled him out as leadership potential. He couldn't bring himself to kill a wildling woman because he's never killed a woman before. So instead, he decided to take her prisoner while he went to meet back up with his ranger party. At worst, you could say he's too soft-hearted. But stupid? What part of that was stupid? The fact he got lost? Shit like that happens. People get lost IRL. And it's not always because they're dumb. Theon decided to side with his blood and took Winterfell in a brilliant raid that nobody saw coming. That is the epitome of a bad ass strategist. Just because his sister philosophically disagrees with him on how the Ironborn should wage their war doesn't make him dumb. Sansa was immature, but I don't think she's at all stupid. If she was stupid, she'd be making a fuss and saying she hates Joffrey and doing pretty much everything possible to get her head put on a chopping block. Instead, she's been very careful to conceal her feelings and play the perfect princess, while quietly learning the politics of everything and trying to find a way to survive. You've offered a lot of opinion with very little substance to back them up. What parts of Arya are forced? LF and Varys know too much?! Robb is stupid, Jon is stupid, Theon is stupid, and Sansa is arguably stupid. Jon is stupid the same way Ned Stark was. He puts his vows way above common sense at times and makes a big deal about following them to a T while others clearly skirt around the vow. Robb lost his entire Kingdom and had his home burnt to the ground. He sent a Greyjoy, sworn enemies, to the Greyjoys to ask them for help? Thanks for handing over Winterfell. He may have never lost a battle but he has already lost basically his entire Kingdom. Theon is stupid... the show clearly spells this out for you and shows how immature and unsure of himself he is. Winterfell was a great success, but it was one they couldn't possibly hold. Greyjoy power rests on the sea. Sansa is smart but not smart. She is so keen on being a queen that she doesn't realize what is going on. BUT, she is smart enough to know when to play the part that is expected of her to not make things worse. You could say Sansa was dumb but wisened up. I'm sorry but you don't seem to be grasping the story quite right. Ned Stark wasn't at all stupid. He had principles. And he would have lived through everything with his honor intact if not for Joffrey's insanity. Smart people cannot account for insanity. Not even Joffrey's own family knew he was going to do what he did. How do you expect Ned Stark to be smart enough to have guessed that would happen? You're not understanding the world when you say Ned was stupid. You're just armchair quarterbacking in hindsight. There was nothing stupid about the way Ned did things. Ned helped put the Baratheon's on the throne. He was tired of war. He wanted peace and his daughters were stuck in the city with him. He couldn't count on the Goldcloaks betraying him, nor Littlefinger lying to him either. He tried to cover his bases while doing the right thing. At no point do I find Ned's actions idiotic, other than perhaps letting Cersei know that he knew about the true heritage of her children. But even then, Ned wasn't 100% sure. Not until he confronted Cersei with it. That was the only way for him to know for sure. So, no, I can't say I agree with you at all that Ned was stupid. Jon Snow. Vows above common sense? Lol?? Do you realize that if a Blackcloak is caught breaking his vows, he gets executed? Did you miss that part at the VERY beginning of the entire series? So you think it would be smarter for him to break his vows? I don't know which ones you're talking about that others "clearly skirt around." Because I'm pretty sure anyone who was caught doing so would be executed. Robb lost his entire kingdom... I hope you realize the North has a hell of a lot more castles than Winterfell and Torren's Square, seeing as that's all that's been taken by the Ironborn. When was his home burnt to the ground? I didn't see that part. Robb is King in the North. His entire Kingdom consists of dozens of castles, thousands of soldiers, hundreds of knights, and scores of lords. You are completely bonkers if you think the Greyjoys have taken over all of the North. Greyjoys were their sworn enemies... You do realize, the Greyjoys swore fealty and peace after being defeated right? To be a sworn enemy, you can't really swear fealty... The two are mutually exclusive. Greyjoys wouldn't send their son to hostage at Winterfell if they were sworn enemies. Again, you don't seem to grasp the nuance of the world. I also disagree about Theon holding Winterfell. Just because Asha doesn't think it can work, doesn't make that fact. Asha's just one person with one opinion. Theon probably knows Winterfell and its defenses a hell of a lot better than she does. She might be great on a ship and experienced with raiding villages, but that don't mean she knows jack about castle warfare. I have nothing else to say about Sansa, because I think you see why it's irrational to call her a stupid character at this point. Put simply, she's not stupid anymore. Ned lost his life because he was stupid. Littlefinger and Renly said as much to him. They handed him the keys to the throne. He refused them, and so Littlefinger turned on him and Renly fled. Jon Snow is one of the poorer examples of stupidity of the bunch, but he was the reason a few of his own Sworn Brothers were killed and that he is captured. He doesn't know which honor he is following and that's why his vows make him stupid. Am I following that in which women should not be harmed? Am I following that in which we must do whatever is required of a man in Black? Am I do that in which I wish to do as a man? Jon Snow is a confused man. His confusion led to the death of his Brothers and he remains captured. Robb lost the North. I know it was hard to understand somewhat, but the Ironmen also took Moat Caitlin. With Robb lacking ships, he has really no way of getting past this choke back into the North. Moat Cailtin is known to take 100-1000 men for each 1 you take. He is essentially stuck in the Riverlands, and his North has been rampaged, looted, and conquered. Not to mention that now he is messing with a girl while he is betrothed, who represents a House that controls the Twins and is very powerful. He is stupid. Theon... his stupidity is spelled out in the show. There is no reason for me to repeat upon it. The dialogue around Theon is there to show you what he is doing is totally dumb. Sansa was stupid. You forget how she lied for Joffrey and was so thrilled to be his queen despite her noticing he was very girlish and quite cruel. It wasn't until Ned's head rolled that Sansa finally understood what was going on. Then she wisened up and played her role perfectly. But, until that point, Sansa beleived in prince charming and being swept off her feet by the most gallant knight and that everything was perfect for she would be queen. She has finally learned now. Thus, she was stupid and wisened up. Arya is probably the smartest Stark. Dont forget Lady Stark, she is just as stupid as her son. She didn't know that capturing Tyrion would start a war, Robert was still alive at the time. Also it could be argued what started the war was Ned telling Cersei he knew about the twincest kids. Eddard wasn't in the heartland of the sworn enemy, he was Hand of the King for his best friend that sat on the Iron Throne. Catelyn arrested Tyrion because she thought he attempted murder on her son and wanted justice. Stannis and Renly hate each other, I don't know how she would get them to unite. She was at the summit between them and seen how poorly that went. She didn't think capturing a son of TYWIN LANNISTER would start a war? Lannister always pays his debts, Rains of Castamere / Etc. Remember she only didn't kill Tyrion because he outsmarted her. Ned told Cersei that he knew about things. That was like literally the worst thing he could have EVER done. Tell the person you mean to bring things upon that you are going to do it. Did he really think Cersei would flee King's Landing? He sealed his own death and that of his friend Roberts... and most of his household guard. Ned and Catelyn adhere to higher "moral standards" than most other characters in the book. Whether it is stupid to have high moral standards or not depends on your own moral compass I suppose, but Ned and Catelyn are honest, fair and both have strong beliefs in justice. Mind you, everything had to go wrong for the Starks for their actions to come back and hurt them, but whether you use hindsight and call that stupid or you say "damn, GRRM gave the Lannisters some thickass plot armour" depends on your own view on morality. That is, while you can blame the Starks for being too proud to sink to the level of the Lannisters to fight deception with deception, plot with plot, but on the other hand, they were in a position to not need to change given their initial advantage. Here's what fucked up for the Starks: 1. Robert getting killed by a boar 2. Littlefinger and the city watch betraying Ned 3. Sansa betraying her family 4. Joffrey's unpredictable execution of Ned 5. Lysa's stupidity leading to Tyrion's freedom6. Lysa betraying the Starks' war effort 7. Theon betraying the Starks' war effort 8. Renly being killed by magic 9. Stannis being a stubborn fool 10. The Tyrells siding with the Lannisters These are just what I can think up on the top of my head. Tyrion evoked trial by combat and won, thats why he was released; Lysa couldn't really do anything.
Actually, Lysa got played like a fool. She got conned into thinking that Tyrion actually wanted to confess to his crimes of murdering her husband (which he clearly did not do) and summoned the entire court to the trial. Once so many noble witnesses saw the trial, she was forced to release him. Lysa is not an honorable person. She is crazy and irrational, and would not be against executing or imprisoning Tyrion even if the trial turned sour if there were no witnesses to tell of it.
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On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once
You could pay for them too :D I would watch it for sure btw.
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On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once
We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be.
edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing.
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On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing.
You have my Axe!
I don't mind your comment
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On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing.
Hardcore "omg no book discussion"-people would probably complain, but no, I don't see how your comment matters for people who haven't read the books.
Since they don't seen to follow the books to 100%, I guess they could've showed a battle with rob that isn't in the books. I know I would've liked it. Now they chose not to do that, and I still love the show. ^^
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On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment
I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all?
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On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all?
If the Automated Banlist thread is any indicator, yes it is. Everyday like 6-7 people are banned for "Book discussion in GoT thread"
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On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all?
If you "don't want to know anything" about the books, then stop watching the tv series. I mean, seriously. You know a lot about the books already.
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I'd imagine that all book discussion is forbidden since the rule is to prevent people spoiling future and background information about the show as well as book information for those who have not yet read the books. I'm sure that there are people who mind, and that is enough for it to be banworthy imo.
Edit: It's obnoxious that people are still arguing about this since there's a spoiler thread in the same forums. Ridiculous.
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On May 31 2012 20:44 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all? If you "don't want to know anything" about the books, then stop watching the tv series. I mean, seriously. You know a lot about the books already.
There can be book discussion without spoilers, that's true. But where do we draw the line between what's allowed what's not? The fact that people still come here and spoil (I'm not pointing at you) justifies the strict rules of absolutely no book discussion.
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Zurich15359 Posts
On May 31 2012 20:44 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all? If you "don't want to know anything" about the books, then stop watching the tv series. I mean, seriously. You know a lot about the books already.
That's different. Seeing how they adapted things for a TV show is different from getting told how exactly things are in the book.
Anyway it's very simple: Don't talk about book stuff in this thread. Very very simple.
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On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing.
I think it does because one can now assume that we will not see Robb's battles in the future episodes too, ruins a lot for me cause I was still hoping TT
and i don't see why it is so hard to get "nothing about the books" nothing is a pretty clear word to me, we got a thread for book diskussion, why not go there? if you want to have a thread where you can tell those kind of semispoilers to people who wanna know, go make a thread, but this is not the place for it 
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On May 31 2012 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 06:58 psychopat wrote:
Dammit, I wanted Helm's Deep to fall. Er.. King's Landing. It just might. Robb is still on his way down with a medic, Theon's got marines (see what I did there?) and the wildfire's gone...
True. But if he was about to have an equal fight with Tywin - and Stannis being able to outnumber Joffrey - they're now in a horrible position. Most of Tywins forces are at King's Landing - along with what remains of Joffreys... And even the Tyrells seems to have joined the battle.
It doesn't seem likely for Robb to conquer King's Landing with his current army of 18'ish-thousand. Aside being outnumbered it's not "cost-effective" to break through a citywall while it's being defended - wildfire or not.
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I really want to see what Robb does. Hope he takes Harrenhal. Actually that would be kind of bittersweet, considering Arya had just escaped.
And I want him to fuck over Theon. Fuck the Greyjoys.
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Live2Win
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On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all?
stfu we're not here to cater to your every little whims and annoyances. I get annoyed with little spoilers people drop by here and then, but this was not a spoiler at all. People need to calm the fuck down.
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