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Zurich15365 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:31 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all? stfu we're not here to cater to your every little whims and annoyances. I get annoyed with little spoilers people drop by here and then, but this was not a spoiler at all. People need to calm the fuck down.
Can you relax? I would be pretty annoyed as well had I not read the book.
Sure it was a spoiler, even though a really minor one. Nobody got warned or banned for it. Still, to prevent things like this in the future, just leave book stuff out of this thread. There is another one specifically for people who have read the books. Go there.
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Orcasgt24 was the first to talk about the book, all while being wrong at the same time.
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On May 28 2012 19:26 BlindKill wrote:Who do you hate most in Game of Thrones? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who do you hate the most?Joffrey Lannister ( u see what I did thar) (52) 41% Daenerys Targaryen (20) 16% Cersei Lannister (16) 13% Theon Greyjoy (12) 9% Viserys Targaryen (8) 6% Other (6) 5% Tyrion Lannister (5) 4% Tywin Lannister (3) 2% Jaime Lannister (2) 2% Stannis Baratheon (2) 2% Renly Baratheon (1) 1% Varys something something ( I don't know) (1) 1% 128 total votes Your vote: Who do you hate the most? (Vote): Cersei Lannister
(Vote): Joffrey Lannister ( u see what I did thar)
(Vote): Viserys Targaryen
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Renly Baratheon
(Vote): Stannis Baratheon
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Varys something something ( I don't know)
(Vote): Tyrion Lannister
(Vote): Theon Greyjoy
(Vote): Tywin Lannister
(Vote): Other
Only 100 people voted? I am dissapoint. That absurd thread about getting kicked in the balls have more voters.
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On May 31 2012 22:43 BlindKill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 19:26 BlindKill wrote:Who do you hate most in Game of Thrones? + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who do you hate the most?Joffrey Lannister ( u see what I did thar) (52) 41% Daenerys Targaryen (20) 16% Cersei Lannister (16) 13% Theon Greyjoy (12) 9% Viserys Targaryen (8) 6% Other (6) 5% Tyrion Lannister (5) 4% Tywin Lannister (3) 2% Jaime Lannister (2) 2% Stannis Baratheon (2) 2% Renly Baratheon (1) 1% Varys something something ( I don't know) (1) 1% 128 total votes Your vote: Who do you hate the most? (Vote): Cersei Lannister
(Vote): Joffrey Lannister ( u see what I did thar)
(Vote): Viserys Targaryen
(Vote): Jaime Lannister
(Vote): Renly Baratheon
(Vote): Stannis Baratheon
(Vote): Daenerys Targaryen
(Vote): Varys something something ( I don't know)
(Vote): Tyrion Lannister
(Vote): Theon Greyjoy
(Vote): Tywin Lannister
(Vote): Other
Only 100 people voted? I am dissapoint. That absurd thread about getting kicked in the balls have more voters.
Well I dont hate anybody.
They all entertain me.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 31 2012 22:37 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:31 Live2Win wrote:On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all? stfu we're not here to cater to your every little whims and annoyances. I get annoyed with little spoilers people drop by here and then, but this was not a spoiler at all. People need to calm the fuck down. Can you relax? I would be pretty annoyed as well had I not read the book. Sure it was a spoiler, even though a really minor one. Nobody got warned or banned for it. Still, to prevent things like this in the future, just leave book stuff out of this thread. There is another one specifically for people who have read the books. Go there.
I'm very annoyed with people blowing up on "book-readers" when they make careful, thought-out comments just because of a potential spoiler. I've read this thread closely and really the last 20 pages or so have been ridiculous. I understand the attempt to keep any potential spoilers out, but now it's like if someone says anything remotely close to something that MIGHT potentially spoil SOMETHING, someone else will just pounce on him in rage and anger. Like this guy's last lines really pisses me off.
"What kind of motivation do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all?" Just because he corrected a minor detail about that had NOTHING to do with the plot? Give me a fucking break.
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In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this?
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On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this?
Probably just for visual effect. I imagine arrows in a night sky aren't as visible and thus less stimulating to the eye.
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fire arrows reduce morale like in Medieval Total War
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On May 31 2012 22:59 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this? Probably just for visual effect. I imagine arrows in a night sky aren't as visible and thus less stimulating to the eye.
Maybe so they can see the opponents easier, lighting up the battlefield.
And/or to add a burn to the arrow damage.
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On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this?
I don't think its the same arrow as the one Bronn used, which is cloth wrapped. I think those arrows are standard pointy metallic end, dipped with some flammable material. They would of been better off using poison arrows but maybe they don't have it. I think fire arrows inspire more fear than normal arrows, breaking the enemy morale especially when its night time you can't see normal arrows anyway.
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Also, the Archer sees trajectory maybe? And so can adjust his next shot? perhaps that too..
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On May 31 2012 22:37 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:31 Live2Win wrote:On May 31 2012 20:38 kemoryan wrote:On May 31 2012 20:30 frontliner2 wrote:On May 31 2012 20:15 gedatsu wrote:On May 31 2012 19:47 Orcasgt24 wrote:On May 31 2012 19:17 zedi wrote:On May 31 2012 15:57 BlindKill wrote:
The show feels so rushed. We saw like 10 minutes of direwolv & dragons in total. I fail to see how this makes the show rushed >_> Rather then hear the tale of how Robb Starks army of wolves shredding apart the Lannister soliders they definatly could have made that an episode too. They tell us of how great a warrior Robb is and we never see it. They tell us how fearsome and deadly Grey Wind is but all we see is him bite off a nobles hand. Now they could probably stretch this show into 20 4 hour movies if they want to. Such a deep world with so much happening all at once We don't get to see Robb's battles in books either. Everything that happens in his army is told through Cat's eyes, and she naturally does not partake in the battles. So it is how it's supposed to be. edit: I sure hope "we don't see it in books either" doesn't break the NO BOOKS thing. You have my Axe! I don't mind your comment I do mind. I don't care if he's talking about what we don't get to read in the books. I plan on reading them eventually and I don't want to know anything about them. Isn't there another thread for book discussion? What kind of motivantion do people who've read them have to come here? Is it so fucking hard not to mention the books at all? stfu we're not here to cater to your every little whims and annoyances. I get annoyed with little spoilers people drop by here and then, but this was not a spoiler at all. People need to calm the fuck down. Can you relax? I would be pretty annoyed as well had I not read the book. Sure it was a spoiler, even though a really minor one. Nobody got warned or banned for it. Still, to prevent things like this in the future, just leave book stuff out of this thread. There is another one specifically for people who have read the books. Go there.
I havent read the books. I found that information useful and far from over the line. Now if i go to the book and spoiler thread every single post is gonna spoiler major parts of the storyline. What am i supposed to do then? This banning and scolding at every little piece of information is just plain stupid. Some additional backround information shouldn't be banned if it doesn't spoiler the future plot.
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Stop derailing please  AG I agree with you by the way but it is of no use. There are rules and they clearly state no book discussing
I didn't mind that extra insight like I mentioned earlier but we should respect the thread rules.
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On May 31 2012 23:02 BlindKill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this? I don't think its the same arrow as the one Bronn used, which is cloth wrapped. I think those arrows are standard pointy metallic end, dipped with some flammable material. They would of been better off using poison arrows but maybe they don't have it. I think fire arrows inspire more fear than normal arrows, breaking the enemy morale especially when its night time you can't see normal arrows anyway.
In this case there's also the possibility that people coming to shore have some unlit wildfire on them (presumably wildfire floats and soaks into clothes like oil/gas would), in which case the person would be dead regardless of whether or not the arrow pierces.
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On May 31 2012 23:45 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 23:02 BlindKill wrote:On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this? I don't think its the same arrow as the one Bronn used, which is cloth wrapped. I think those arrows are standard pointy metallic end, dipped with some flammable material. They would of been better off using poison arrows but maybe they don't have it. I think fire arrows inspire more fear than normal arrows, breaking the enemy morale especially when its night time you can't see normal arrows anyway. In this case there's also the possibility that people coming to shore have some unlit wildfire on them (presumably wildfire floats and soaks into clothes like oil/gas would), in which case the person would be dead regardless of whether or not the arrow pierces.
Flaming arrows are used at night just like tracer rounds are being used by today's soldiers. You can't really shoot in the dark if you
a) don't see the target
b) don't see where your projectile has gone
It's mostly for aiming purposes really, small burns incurred by such arrows are really minor damage compared to what an arrowhead does and lighting the battlefield (not as much to see clearly, mind you, more in the sense of creating a target zone) is another minor side effect.
Flaming arrows were used as incendiary ammunition too, but they looked more like what Bronn was firing.
Edit: Edited for clarity and added reference links.
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I´m pretty sure the fire is for trajectory. You have no chance to see where your arrow hit unless it is lit up and thus can't adjust your next shot. I think it´s called tracer bullets in modern weapons.
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Additionaly flaming arrows have the advantage of potentialy setting alight stuff like ladders/rams being carried to storm the walls. Plus i think the loss of damage done by the arrow isnt that big of a deal. It will still pierce cloth and be hella painfull while shields/plate would protect anyway.
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Yeah what Gorsameth said. They're trying to burn the siege equipment.
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On May 31 2012 23:55 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 23:45 Logo wrote:On May 31 2012 23:02 BlindKill wrote:On May 31 2012 22:57 frontliner2 wrote:
In Ep. 9 the defending force uses a lot of fire arrows...
I don't understand this from my understanding of physics a fire arrow would do less damage to flesh because the arrow is thincker because of the burning cloth layer. penetration would suffer, wouldn't it? Also you would fire less arrows per minute.
And the ships were already burnt by wildfire..
can someone exlplain this? I don't think its the same arrow as the one Bronn used, which is cloth wrapped. I think those arrows are standard pointy metallic end, dipped with some flammable material. They would of been better off using poison arrows but maybe they don't have it. I think fire arrows inspire more fear than normal arrows, breaking the enemy morale especially when its night time you can't see normal arrows anyway. In this case there's also the possibility that people coming to shore have some unlit wildfire on them (presumably wildfire floats and soaks into clothes like oil/gas would), in which case the person would be dead regardless of whether or not the arrow pierces. Flaming arrows are used at night just like tracer rounds are being used by today's soldiers. You can't really shoot in the dark if you a) don't see the target b) don't see where your projectile has gone It's mostly for aiming purposes really, small burns incurred by such arrows are really minor damage compared to what an arrowhead does and lighting the battlefield (not as much to see clearly, mind you, more in the sense of creating a target zone) is another minor side effect. Flaming arrows were used as incendiary ammunition too, but they looked more like what Bronn was firing. Edit: Edited for clarity and added reference links.
Yeah certainly it's all of the above, but I just wanted to point out in the case of wildfire there is a serious burn risk as well. I mean if you're fighting an army of people potentially coated in unlit napalm you don't discount that fact when shooting flaming arrows at them (even if you would still do it regardless).
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On May 31 2012 23:09 frontliner2 wrote:
Also, the Archer sees trajectory maybe? And so can adjust his next shot? perhaps that too..
No, for a trained archer that wouldn't be the case. Only reason they'd fire flaming arrows is for the visual effects. There was nothing to burn there.
A trained archer at defense would have trained and known the ranges and how high/low aim to hit different parts of the beach. The bow isn't a sniping weapon, you aren't gonna eyeshoot someone at 300 meters no matter if you see the target clear as day or not.
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