On August 15 2017 00:46 Plansix wrote: I have doubts about Arya falling for scroll trick. Maybe she confronts Sansa about it, but she might also be aware that littlefinger left it there for her to find. She has to suspect that Littlefinger is going to try something.
Yeah but she's already been pretty suspicious of Sansa. Still it seems pretty easy to clear up in a direct confrontation if Sansa just explains that she wrote it under threat while captured by the Lannisters.
I chalked that exchange up to them being siblings and not seeing for so long. They both changed, but the natural thing that happens with siblings is they revert a version of their default relationship. And the two of them were adversarial. You could be right that it could be a deeper conflict starting. I think the writers left is vague on purpose to make us question who has the upper hand on whom. But it would be a real bummer if Arya just when full drama on Sansa, since that is kinda predictable and a little played out.
On August 15 2017 00:46 Plansix wrote: I have doubts about Arya falling for scroll trick. Maybe she confronts Sansa about it, but she might also be aware that littlefinger left it there for her to find. She has to suspect that Littlefinger is going to try something.
Yeah but she's already been pretty suspicious of Sansa. Still it seems pretty easy to clear up in a direct confrontation if Sansa just explains that she wrote it under threat while captured by the Lannisters.
Yeah which makes Littlefinger's plan stupid After they talk to each other it's clear that Littlefinger also tried to set it up tbh, i don't see how it's a smart move by any means
Littlefinger survived by not opposing or trying to manipulate people that he knew could hurt him. He would pit two power groups against each other. He might overestimate his control of Sansa and Arya's ability to see past what the letter said.
On August 15 2017 00:46 Plansix wrote: I have doubts about Arya falling for scroll trick. Maybe she confronts Sansa about it, but she might also be aware that littlefinger left it there for her to find. She has to suspect that Littlefinger is going to try something.
Yeah but she's already been pretty suspicious of Sansa. Still it seems pretty easy to clear up in a direct confrontation if Sansa just explains that she wrote it under threat while captured by the Lannisters.
Yeah which makes Littlefinger's plan stupid After they talk to each other it's clear that Littlefinger also tried to set it up tbh, i don't see how it's a smart move by any means
I think he's banking on Arya being indirect and just harboring a mistrust of Sansa rather than directly confronting her. Which really may not be all that wrong of an assessment.
But I do agree with Plansix, I hope it ends up being more subtle and reasonable than that.
On August 15 2017 00:46 Plansix wrote: I have doubts about Arya falling for scroll trick. Maybe she confronts Sansa about it, but she might also be aware that littlefinger left it there for her to find. She has to suspect that Littlefinger is going to try something.
Yeah but she's already been pretty suspicious of Sansa. Still it seems pretty easy to clear up in a direct confrontation if Sansa just explains that she wrote it under threat while captured by the Lannisters.
Yeah which makes Littlefinger's plan stupid After they talk to each other it's clear that Littlefinger also tried to set it up tbh, i don't see how it's a smart move by any means
I think he's banking on Arya being indirect and just harboring a mistrust of Sansa rather than directly confronting her. Which really may not be all that wrong of an assessment.
But I do agree with Plansix, I hope it ends up being more subtle and reasonable than that.
I don't know, they are sisters right. I wouldn't bank on that^^
One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
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On August 15 2017 01:25 Plansix wrote: One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be smart to some extent. It isn't though.
Also can we talk about Jon's plan to catch a wight. How exactly do they imagine to do that without having to deal with way too many? Is there even a plan?
On August 15 2017 01:25 Plansix wrote: One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be smart to some extent. It isn't though.
Also can we talk about Jon's plan to catch a wight. How exactly do they imagine to do that without having to deal with way too many? Is there even a plan?
I don’t think the plan in unreasonable, since his goal is to drive a wedge between them so he can keep whispering in Sansa’s ear. Arya is filled with a desire for revenge and had a rough time out in the wild world. Sansa was a captive and swore an oath she didn’t mean to protect herself. But Littlefinger is counting on Arya not caring about all the horrible things that happened and focusing on all the nice things surrounding Sansa in kings landing. That Sansa didn’t try to do anything and simply went along with all of it. I just question if Arya is that petty. Or if she will go to Bran for advice.
On August 15 2017 01:26 Mafe wrote: Anyone want to make a bet?
Where's the option for "Almost all of them but Thoros brings Jon back"
Gendry, Beric, and Thoros aren't making it back south of the wall at a minimum I'd think. Torumund is too entertaining to be killed, Jorah probably needs to block a John/Dany relationship, and the Hound has to have his Clegane Bowl.
On August 15 2017 01:25 Plansix wrote: One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be smart to some extent. It isn't though.
Also can we talk about Jon's plan to catch a wight. How exactly do they imagine to do that without having to deal with way too many? Is there even a plan?
I don’t think the plan in unreasonable, since his goal is to drive a wedge between them so he can keep whispering in Sansa’s ear. Arya is filled with a desire for revenge and had a rough time out in the wild world. Sansa was a captive and swore an oath she didn’t mean to protect herself. But Littlefinger is counting on Arya not caring about all the horrible things that happened and focusing on all the nice things surrounding Sansa in kings landing. That Sansa didn’t try to do anything and simply went along with all of it. I just question if Arya is that petty. Or if she will go to Bran for advice.
See i would understand that if he did that to people who aren't directly related. But they are sisters, i don't think it's smart to simply assume they won't talk to each other more privately. It seems pretty unlikely in my book, even if they were apart for years. Playing people against each other works best if they aren't really close. But hey who knows, i just would be extremely surprised if it works out. Though tbf, the show wanted to establish Arya being somewhat aggressive towards Sansa (for almost no reason imo). So it might just be the path they go with it.
On August 15 2017 01:25 Plansix wrote: One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be smart to some extent. It isn't though.
Also can we talk about Jon's plan to catch a wight. How exactly do they imagine to do that without having to deal with way too many? Is there even a plan?
I don’t think the plan in unreasonable, since his goal is to drive a wedge between them so he can keep whispering in Sansa’s ear. Arya is filled with a desire for revenge and had a rough time out in the wild world. Sansa was a captive and swore an oath she didn’t mean to protect herself. But Littlefinger is counting on Arya not caring about all the horrible things that happened and focusing on all the nice things surrounding Sansa in kings landing. That Sansa didn’t try to do anything and simply went along with all of it. I just question if Arya is that petty. Or if she will go to Bran for advice.
See i would understand that if he did that to people who aren't directly related. But they are sisters, i don't think it's smart to simply assume they won't talk to each other more privately. It seems pretty unlikely in my book, even if they were apart for years. Playing people against each other works best if they aren't really close. But hey who knows, i just would be extremely surprised if it works out. Though tbf, the show wanted to establish Arya being somewhat aggressive towards Sansa (for almost no reason imo). So it might just be the path they go with it.
Yeah, I'm ready to bet Arya will use the scroll to openly confront Sansa in front of the lords or something like that. Like, the lords are trying to convince Sansa to become their Queen, then Arya walks in and accuses her of treason.
This episode was the first time in a while I had doubt that Sansa was gonna win the game in the end. No big analysis or detail there, I just always felt like on a storytelling bases her ending up on the throne was the logical arc for her character, every other contender else winning would be to lazy (except Cercy, that would be amazing). But now I feel like her plot is not advancing fast enough for her to become queen at the end of last season, especially with the Aria subplot. We will see I just hope Dany doesn't win because what a fucking waste of time this series would have been, if she just nuke everyone with her dragon in the end.
On August 15 2017 01:25 Plansix wrote: One key is that Littlefringer isn’t perfect. He isn’t 2000’s era Batman, with unlimited plans that make all challenges not challenging. He can miscalculate and make mistakes. Arya could have planned to deal with him from the instant she saw him. Or she is playing him with Sansa’s help and the whole plan is off camera.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be smart to some extent. It isn't though.
Also can we talk about Jon's plan to catch a wight. How exactly do they imagine to do that without having to deal with way too many? Is there even a plan?
I don’t think the plan in unreasonable, since his goal is to drive a wedge between them so he can keep whispering in Sansa’s ear. Arya is filled with a desire for revenge and had a rough time out in the wild world. Sansa was a captive and swore an oath she didn’t mean to protect herself. But Littlefinger is counting on Arya not caring about all the horrible things that happened and focusing on all the nice things surrounding Sansa in kings landing. That Sansa didn’t try to do anything and simply went along with all of it. I just question if Arya is that petty. Or if she will go to Bran for advice.
See i would understand that if he did that to people who aren't directly related. But they are sisters, i don't think it's smart to simply assume they won't talk to each other more privately. It seems pretty unlikely in my book, even if they were apart for years. Playing people against each other works best if they aren't really close. But hey who knows, i just would be extremely surprised if it works out. Though tbf, the show wanted to establish Arya being somewhat aggressive towards Sansa (for almost no reason imo). So it might just be the path they go with it.
Yeah, I'm ready to bet Arya will use the scroll to openly confront Sansa in front of the lords or something like that. Like, the lords are trying to convince Sansa to become their Queen, then Arya walks in and accuses her of treason.
I mean if she does that then Sansa simply tells them why and they all "laugh" about it. Then they ask where she got that from and Littlefinger will be like "oops". Could be.
Again, what is the plan of the northern expedition? How can you catch a wight without havign to fight hundreds? In general i think the plan of showing one to the southern lords/cersei is good, but it seems kinda hard to get one at this point.
Is it possible that Gendry gets legitimized and becomes king? Maybe Dany is will find she doesn't have that much support since people fear her so much or something.
Always nice to see Frankie Wilde, aka Mike Strutter, aka Thoros of Myr and his overarching thirst for booze. Hope he makes it back south of the wall alive.
Gendry is gonna live in my opinion. He'll end up legitimized and be given Storm's End with the Baratheon name.
They'll give one of the Stark's (not Jon) Winterfell. Another of the Starks (definitely not Jon) will end up with Riverrun through their Tully grandfather. Tyrion gets Casterly Rock. Gendry gets Storm's End. Sam (who is allowed out of his oath because the wall + Night's Watch + White Walkers + wildlings are all no longer really things) gets Highgarden. Jon gets King's Landing obv. Eyrie we'll all forget about, Robyn can keep. Sunspear we'll all forget about. Asha gets Iron Islands.
That ending scene reminded me more of the Hateful Eight with the blizzard and mistrust between them, Avengers seem far-fetched. And I really hope that at least two dragons are slain, and Daenerys doesn't win in the end, that would be the most expected outcome from like day 1.
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