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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
June 05 2014 04:42 GMT
#24541
Bronn will muster an army and attack King's Landing to save his bestfriend Tyrion
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 05 2014 05:58 GMT
#24542
will bronn even follow tyrion if he lives? if he lives it'll probably be through some sneaky run away from kingslanding and that means he'll have no more lanister money and bronn already seems to be pretty well off when he last spoke to tyrion
com'on bronn
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 08:27:03
June 05 2014 06:23 GMT
#24543
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 06:43:37
June 05 2014 06:41 GMT
#24544
On June 05 2014 13:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
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On June 04 2014 18:32 sc4k wrote:
This is what my mate (v experienced blunt weapons duellist, professional re-enactor) has written about fighting the mountain with a spear:


The mountain weighs 30 stone of muscle. Which means if he connects... you die. Simple as. But the Red Viper is armed with a long spear, which he famously knows how to use exceptionally well.

Real outcome: Mountain dies in first seven seconds of engagement.

Spear thrusts to feet, hamstring, fist, then moving past him to finish the job with the spear in the back of the neck

they never show thrusts to feet and hands in film as it dosn't look cool. But seriously... spear guy duels sword guy... spear guy stabs hands and feet. Pinprick raids that stop the enemy from fighting too hard.

Also, The Mountain is wearing some kind of wierd maille and leather plates affair. This, in a time where steel plate exists is like hanging a sign around your neck saying 'kill me now'.

Bigman has a massive sword, that's really cool, butsits balance is mega off whack. Yeah you might be the strongest motherfucker out there, but balance works in weird ways. Bend the spear around his guard and just take him apart piece by piece.


I love asking him about this sort of stuff. I have seen him destroy people with a spear (it's his weapon of choice). It's hilarious how easily he can hit people's necks from a long range.

Pic of him for reference
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Thanks mate! This is a great post. The power of spears should not be underestimated. Even in actual ancient and medieval eras, they're good for individual combat, and godly in battle fronts. Good one of the ways Alexander the Great basically conquered everyone, with sarissas and the Macedonian phalanx formation.

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On June 04 2014 18:34 Amui wrote:
On June 04 2014 17:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On June 04 2014 17:19 Amui wrote:
On June 04 2014 15:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On June 04 2014 14:47 MattBarry wrote:
On June 04 2014 13:41 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Oberyn is quite literally the classic movie villain. Talk your ass off until the other guy has a chance to escape or strike back. He should have killed Gregor right then and there.

My reaction to Oberyn's demise:


On June 04 2014 05:39 Snotling wrote:
Huge dude without a shield? Just let any half skilled archer do the job and be don with it^^

What other people said, but also, no shield? Just fucking stick him and be done with it. The advantage of spears and halberds is their reach.
Gregor is a poor swordsman regardless. He swings through with every single attack, a great way to leave yourself open.

Also, what the Mountain has in the strength of his strikes, he lacks in their speed. An armored fighter with a shield could parry his blows (he telegraphs them so much), and then thrust at him.

An average sized person would probably have his arm broken from the impact of the Mountain's massive sword hitting his shield. The dude is 420 pounds of muscle, he's basically a half-ogre.

Yeah, the Mountain is a rare super heavyweight. I imagine the Mountain is supposed to be a skilled fighter for something other than his size (we haven't seen that in the show, so idk). But regardless, here's a few things to consider. The dampening of kinetic energy that armor and shields have is significant. Given the slow speed of his blows though (this is important to take into account), I doubt it would crush someone shielded and armored arm, especially if they block properly, it would stagger them though. Also, it's hard to tell because the camera jumps around a lot but the Mountain looks like he swings his sword a lot more sluggishly and "club-like" than any other characters.

More importantly, the point of parrying is not to take a blow, but to actively deflect it, a classic medieval tactic of opening a clean window to strike your opponent. You're not just meeting the strike when it's low in force, but putting your own force to deflect it as well. If you've ever done any boxing/fighting, hits aren't even a fraction as hard when you aren't struck at the full extension of a punch.
Could all of this be effective against the Mountain? If he's as slow and as unskilled as in the show, then probably. If the Mountain was a sharp and swift fighter, not at all.

But in any case, that's a moot point. The terrible slowness and poor swordsmanship of the Mountain in the show (he looks like an oaf that got handed a sword) against the reach of a spear and a fast and very skilled spearman practically makes Oberyn an easy winner. A "realistic" fight even if they both had their gear as shown in the show would have been a no-contest. With that said, however, in a "realistic" fight, the Mountain would probably be smart enough to use a large tower shield (think of the Roman scutum).

Well that is a 66 inch blade(according to the making of), the spear doesn't have a huge range advantage like it does against short/medium sized swords. Granted there is the leverage and speed advantage, but the mountain swings as fast as most people would swing it with both hands(in full armor too), and if you get caught with him having both hands on the blade, you're probably a dead man shield or not.

I would agree though that the mountain actor looked a bit unskilled with a sword, although I'm not sure how much of it was due to having to wield a greatsword in one hand because lore. I'd wager a fair number of people couldn't swing it as fast with 2 hands as he could with one, it's 5-8lbs(according to my google skills). In practice he would probably slaughter most swordsman before they could close simply because he can swing that thing with so much force he'd cleave people in half through a shield while retaining a massive range advantage, and he has the reach to even make people with spears think twice.

The blade is 66 inches? Jesus.. I was thinking more along the lines of actual medieval greatswords where the blade only topped at 40-50ish inches like Zweihanders and Claymores, which were apparently even usable against halberdier lines.

Just as an experiment, for everybody to try, grab a rod that's fairly light, hang 5lbs somewhere between 28 and 30inches(where the balance of the greatsword would probably be), and then try to lift it with one hand(I couldn't lift it, not enough wrist strength). That's pretty much the absolute minimum that thing would weigh(even as a realistic prop sword). Now imagine how strong somebody would have to be to swing that thing around with one hand.


Well the 5 lbs would have to be distributed across, but I've handed actual blades but the blade itself wasn't like 30-40 inches so it was still at a point that's pretty easy to handle. I don't have a long rod, or else I'd love to try your experiment to simulate REALLY long blades . Crazy medieval Scots and Germans and Gregor aside, there really is no need for a sword that large. It's unwieldly even if you are very strong. If you want a long weapon, halberds and short spears tend to work better imo.

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On June 05 2014 12:23 Scarecrow wrote:
I'd be much more concerned about Tyrion if they hadn't announced his execution. No way they're announcing killing off a major character one episode and then doing it the next. Him getting help to escape and being killed once we think he's safe would be far more GoT style.

He escaped execution at the Vale due to trial by combat, but he didn't here. Maybe there will be something else to save him? It's hard to say, but some people or at least Jaime certainly don't want him dead by any means. Maybe with his authority as commander of the Kingsguard he can do something, but we'll see.

Also, Tyrion is the one "voice of reason" character in the show. Killing him would break the show worse than almost any other character dying.


Breaking the show cause of few deaths? Come on, I've already been broken by this show few times, but the show remains the same, it makes me sleep with thoughts how do I really hate Martin :D We have already lost seems like a dozen of key characters since season one. Some of those deaths were pretty much typical, but some others made a few scars in my mind

P.S. I even had a bad dream tonight, where I was on Oberyns place at duel, everything was good, perfect and beautiful until the end, but the actual end was awful, so the death. It's good that I woke up eventually :D
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 08:24:55
June 05 2014 08:24 GMT
#24545
Tyrion could try to get a royal pardon from Tommen. He could argue that the duel was a tie (The Mountain died too, right?), and also that family ties are super important. Tommen has always liked his uncle. Jaime and Varys could help influence the boy.

Or maybe it somehow becomes known that Olenna and Littlefinger were behind Joffrey's assassination and Tyrion couldn't have done it. Perhaps Margaery could talk?

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws here.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 05 2014 08:27 GMT
#24546
On June 05 2014 15:23 urboss wrote:
Mod Edit

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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 05 2014 09:03 GMT
#24547
On June 05 2014 17:24 Scorch wrote:
Tyrion could try to get a royal pardon from Tommen. He could argue that the duel was a tie (The Mountain died too, right?), and also that family ties are super important. Tommen has always liked his uncle. Jaime and Varys could help influence the boy.

Or maybe it somehow becomes known that Olenna and Littlefinger were behind Joffrey's assassination and Tyrion couldn't have done it. Perhaps Margaery could talk?

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws here.


The first seems highly unlikely because of how much control Tywin has over Tommen. The second...maybe but I doubt it. It's weird because I feel like other people that Tyrion simply *has* to survive but I can't think of any way for him to do it.

If I were to put my money on something it would be simply Jaime killing the guards outside of Tyrion's cell and perhaps paying Bronn or someone like Bronn to smuggle him out. Maybe to get that random black guy to smuggle him to Dorn or something. Be like 'Bronn I know you don't care any more, but for old times' sake just hook us up with this escape'. Idk though, it's quite the pickle.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
June 05 2014 09:06 GMT
#24548
On June 05 2014 14:58 Shock710 wrote:
will bronn even follow tyrion if he lives? if he lives it'll probably be through some sneaky run away from kingslanding and that means he'll have no more lanister money and bronn already seems to be pretty well off when he last spoke to tyrion
com'on bronn

I was under the impression bronn has already disappeared from the show
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 05 2014 09:18 GMT
#24549
Did I hear "smuggle Tyrion out"?
Maybe someone whispers into a good listener's ear that Tyrion is going to die. And maybe a good listener will send an expert smuggler, Davos Seaworth.

It would be too awesome.
Varys would help Tyrion by telling the right person of his problem, Davos Seaworth would smuggle someone and Stannis could only benefit from having Tyrion on his side of the story.

Obviously since everything fits so perfect together, it won't happen. Also Stannis has nothing to gain from rescuing Tyrion, compared to the risk of losing Davos. reality is so cruel.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 05 2014 09:39 GMT
#24550
On June 05 2014 17:24 Scorch wrote:
Tyrion could try to get a royal pardon from Tommen. He could argue that the duel was a tie (The Mountain died too, right?), and also that family ties are super important. Tommen has always liked his uncle. Jaime and Varys could help influence the boy.


I don't think the Mountain died. He suffered some injuries sure but he was in armor. He obviously fell on his back again due to injuries but I don't think he died. He might though, as a result of injuries and/or poison.

Also, the fact that the Mountain died or not should not affect Tyrion's fate. The idea was trial by combat. I'm pretty sure that your champion dying in said combat implies that you are sentenced to death. No matter what happens to that other guy. The gods decided to kill your champion so you're screwed.
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 10:44:21
June 05 2014 10:37 GMT
#24551


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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
June 05 2014 10:59 GMT
#24552
Alright guys, I think I figured out what's going to happen to Tyrion...

So clearly Jaime is going to stage a daring prison break for his brother and the two of them are going to sneak out of the city inconspicuously. They shouldn't have any trouble blending in as commoners, neither of them are super well known individuals in Kings Landing or have any strikingly noticeable features like a golden hand or being half as tall as a normal human! Once they escape Kings Landing without incident they will make for the wall where they can both be safe from the rule of law. After all, the nights watch has stood for thousands of years, its not going anywhere any time soon!

Along the way they won't have much trouble, Bolton's control the north now and Jaime has a great relationship with those people. But if they do get into a fight, Jaime's master swordsmanship should be more than enough to protect them and if it isn't, Tyrion always knows how to leverage his Lannister heritage to get them out of a pickle!

Once they arrive at the wall they meet up with all the remaining Stark family members who all happen to be meeting up for a reunion at the same time! You see, Lady Brienne and Podrick met up with Arya and the Hound and they started a happy little nuclear family unit and headed to the wall to meet up with John, Rickon and Osha, Brann and Hodor (Sansa stayed with little finger cause she always sucked anyway). Brann Just came back from beyond the wall where he talked to some magical tree that blew up all the white walkers! In the chain reaction, about 99% of the wildlings were caught in the blast as well, leaving only Mance Raider, Tormund Giantsbain, and Egritte who proceeded to storm Castle Black by themselves, killing Alistar Thorn and Janos Slint before John was able to convince them to just join the night's watch instead.

So anyway, Jaime, Tyrion, and Bronn arrive at the wall (oh I did mention that Bronn decided to come with them? I mean Tyrion is still insanely rich right?! Why WOULDN'T Bronn continue serving him!) and Jaime tells Brann he's sorry about that one time he pushed him out of that window and Brann forgives him because hey, it was all part of him discovering his powers. Anyways they all have a good laugh and become best friends.

MEANWHILE... Outraged at the wrongful death of fair prince Oberyn, Dorne rises up in revolt against the crown! They join forces with Stannis, the Iron Bank of Bravos, Daenerys with her dragons and her army, Littlefinger with Sansa and the Knights of The Vale, whatever is left of the north, the Ironborn (who just finished wiping out house Bolton), whatever country Lady Talisa (Robb's wife) was from, and pretty much everyone else that Tywin, Cersi, or Joffery shat on over the years and march on Kings Landing, where the Tyrells let them in!

Oberyn's identical twin brother Oberyn2 murders Cersi then proceeds to make love to... pretty much everyone. Loris Tyrell murders the shit out of Stannis and the Red Woman for what they did to Renly. Before the battle gets any more out of hand Davos Seaworth convinces King Tommin of Tywin's evil ways. His eyes now open, King Tommin declares Sir Davos his new hand of the king and orders Sir Pounce to destroy his evil grandfather! The bold Sir Pounce leaps off Tommin's lap and rips Tywin Lannister's head right off! Everyone cheers and the fighting stops!

In order to ensure a long lasting peace, Tommin marries both Margery Tyrell and Daenerys Stormborn and is declared the pimpest king in the history of the seven kingdoms! The massive wedding ceremony is held not just for Tommin and his two brides, but also to celebrate the marriages of Jaime and Brienne, John and Egritte, Same and Gilly, Arya and Gendry, and Messandei and Grey Worm. Sir Jorah Mormont shows up to the ceremony to see Dany off, they talk out their problems and forgive each other, but Jorah is still stuck in the friend zone. Hotpie prepares the feast and The Brootherhood without Banners provides entertaiment, the highlight of which is a magic show where Thoros of Myr asks The Hound to come up from the audience and saw Berric Dondarrion in half with a flaming sword. No one dies (except Berric Dondarrion), but that doesn't stop Edmure Tully from making jokes about how "you guys think this wedding is crazy now... just wait till they play Rains of Castemere!".

As the party winds down, Tyrion walks out to the edge of the party, drink in hand, and smiles at the spirits of Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon, Tywin, and Joffery who all smile back and laugh as if they were old friends...
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 05 2014 11:04 GMT
#24553
da fuck...lol
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
derc
Profile Joined November 2011
France126 Posts
June 05 2014 11:34 GMT
#24554
^seems legit.

I'd like arya and sansa to meet or it would be really disapointing, such as jon missing brann twice ...

Would be great to see tyrion and jamie do something together, i liked the scenes between then recently !
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9031 Posts
June 05 2014 11:40 GMT
#24555
Characters I'm pretty sure aren't gonna die soon: Arya, Tyrion, Sansa, Dany. Too much plot armor.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 05 2014 11:40 GMT
#24556
On June 05 2014 18:18 Mataza wrote:
Did I hear "smuggle Tyrion out"?
Maybe someone whispers into a good listener's ear that Tyrion is going to die. And maybe a good listener will send an expert smuggler, Davos Seaworth.

It would be too awesome.
Varys would help Tyrion by telling the right person of his problem, Davos Seaworth would smuggle someone and Stannis could only benefit from having Tyrion on his side of the story.

Obviously since everything fits so perfect together, it won't happen. Also Stannis has nothing to gain from rescuing Tyrion, compared to the risk of losing Davos. reality is so cruel.


I would like this. Finally Stannis would be able to do something useful haha!!! However...I wouldn't like to see Tyrion in the same room as that mental red lady. I think fireworks could occur. Also, Stannis might not be best pleased about Tyrion if he discovers that he was the reason behind his forces being destroyed in Blackwater.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 05 2014 11:44 GMT
#24557
That story still sounds better than the last season of Dexter >.>
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Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
June 05 2014 11:55 GMT
#24558
On June 05 2014 20:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
That story still sounds better than the last season of Dexter >.>


Some nice incest would have saved that season..
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
June 05 2014 12:03 GMT
#24559
If the guy that Arya sees talking to Varys in Season 1 is trully Illiryo as some people believe, than Varys might be indeed the salvation of Tyrion, Tyrion might get the same fate as Ser Barristan the Bold.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
June 05 2014 12:19 GMT
#24560
whos llliryo?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
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