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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + They spent such a long time around Chase and then it ends up with one stupid stab through his foot, deserved more in my opinion. The final was kinda exciting at times but the last 5-10minutes were kinda horrible. | ||
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
i actually don't really care if that final could have been more epic, this is, and remains, the best f'ing tv show ever! :D | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On December 14 2010 00:56 NotSupporting wrote: I agree with the general opinion here, the final was rather underwhelming. + Show Spoiler + They spent such a long time around Chase and then it ends up with one stupid stab through his foot, deserved more in my opinion. The final was kinda exciting at times but the last 5-10minutes were kinda horrible. Yeah I agree man, they should have made a 5 minute kung-fu fight between dexter and chase, that would've been way more epic than a stupid stab. | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On December 13 2010 16:19 Tarbosh wrote: My favorite part about the finale was Quinn knowing that Dexter killed Liddy. It is still unclear if he knows/thinks Dexter is a serial killer though. I would've expected more of a reaction from Quinn if that were the case, but at the same time Quinn would have expected Dexter to be shaken up a bit at least if it was his first kill. I think that will go a long way towards developing the relationship between the two of them next season. Also, some of the conversation between Deb and Dexter after she saw him behind the plastic at the camp hinted towards her knowing it was him that killed Jordan. It almost seemed like she was going fishing for him to admit it to her, the tone of the music in that conversation along with his expressions gave off that vibe to me at least. But, I think they really just love to play into the fact that Deb is so naive when it comes to Dexter and it is just a bit of foreshadowing that she will eventually find out. I had that same impression too with Deb knowing who was behind the curtain. I think Deb has suspected for some time that it might be Dexter helping Lumen. The "previously on Dexter" reminded you of Dexter and Deb's conversation about killing criminals. And Deb pretty much used the exact same words when talking to Dexter behind the curtain. Although I'm not entirely convinced because it seems like too large of a leap for Deb to immediately think of Dexter like that. I'm glad that Lumen left. And I actually liked the way they got her to leave. I'm cheering for Dexter getting rid of the dark passenger and I think Lumen sets a good precedence that it can happen. Although Dexter doesn't have a Jordan Chase. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
i do hope dexter continues for a long time, this show is freaking awesome | ||
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AlexDeLarge
Romania218 Posts
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:06 Jackal03 wrote: i don't know why the general opinion is so harsh on the season finale, all seasons finales of dexter are like that, leaving the next season completely open. I enjoyed it, i'm sad that lumen left because i was really starting to like her i do hope dexter continues for a long time, this show is freaking awesome Yeah, with the exception of the first season the season finale doesn't really tell you what the overarching story of the next season will be. Season two ended all nice and tidy also. With the same arguments that people are saying you can skip season two entirely with the addition that Doakes is no longer in the department when you watch season three. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 14 2010 00:02 BlackJack wrote: Called it  btw it's funny reading comments like "I expected so much more from the finale." How long have you guys even been watching Dexter? The Finale is the same as EVERY other season. EVERY season ends with the main antagonist on Dexter's table --> Rudy, Lila, Miguel, Trinity, Jordan. EVERY season all of the new minor characters end up leaving the show, usually by dying or leaving. They haven't added a new recurring character since Quinn, and now maybe the babysitter. EVERY season gets completely wrapped up in the finale and they leave us with a happy moment. Rita and Dexter get engaged, Rita and Dexter get married, Rita and Dexter have a baby, Harrison's first birthday party. EVERY new season starts fresh, new characters, new plot, new everything. The only exception is last season when Rita died, but beyond that, every season finale has been exactly the same, so why would you be expecting something different? Maybe I will expand people's thoughts as to why the finale was not what they expected even though you kind of answered it in your own post in my opinion. #1. No season finale will ever compare to the one where Rita was found dead, since it is easily one of the most emotional and shocking finales ever for a television series. #2. You just said "EVERY season" ends the same way like 5 times in your post, so maybe people expected the writers to give them a little something different this time, seeing that it is season 5. #3. I have watched all the seasons and this is the first time I was left with a lot of lingering questions that did not get answered in the finale. Dexter is great because it has usually answered all those questions with great detail and at covering up the loose knots in the plot. With this said, I did enjoy a giant part of the season, as it did have good moments, but at the same time I realize the ending to the season was probably their worse yet. | ||
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
loved how he got jordan in the end - just like with miguel - there is no beating around the bush, no epic fight lasting 5 minutes. Actually i liked how he off'd miguel better. Just going after him, grabbing him and killing him lol. That kinda surprised me. :D I hope the dark passenger stays with him tho - would be a little too blergh if it all ends up with unicorns, rainbows and lollipops.. then it would be just another episode of CSI Florida. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:05 garbanzo wrote: I had that same impression too with Deb knowing who was behind the curtain. I think Deb has suspected for some time that it might be Dexter helping Lumen. The "previously on Dexter" reminded you of Dexter and Deb's conversation about killing criminals. And Deb pretty much used the exact same words when talking to Dexter behind the curtain. Although I'm not entirely convinced because it seems like too large of a leap for Deb to immediately think of Dexter like that. I'm glad that Lumen left. And I actually liked the way they got her to leave. I'm cheering for Dexter getting rid of the dark passenger and I think Lumen sets a good precedence that it can happen. Although Dexter doesn't have a Jordan Chase. I thought the whole Liddy thing felt contrived. There is no reason quin should of assumed the blood on his shoe was Liddy's. He didn't kill Liddy and he works crime scenes, why would blood being on his shoe be such a surprise? And he thanked Dexter like he KNEW it was Liddy's blood which he had no way of knowing. The whole lawyering up thing was strange too. I feel like that was such a shitty way of wrapping up Liddy/Quinn/Dexter drama. I think Deb was just coming to the realization that not all things are black and white in the scene where shes talking to Dexter and reflecting on what happened with Quinn. She has no idea that he was the man behind the curtain, or that he was working with lumen. Nothing else hinted at that I don't think. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
When they met in the office in a previous episode, Dexter had absolutely no idea who Liddy was. On the boat in the finale, he and everyone else talks as if they knew him. How do they explain the crashed car by the camp? Presumeably it was stolen after Chase was seen in his own car on the street. Why were they calling deb the one who cracked the barrel girl case and acting as if it was closed? Is it just because she found out where the rapes took place? Aren't they still technically looking for jordan chase and the others that dissapeared? Wouldn't it be painfully obvious that the renting out of surveillance equipment was forged if looked at closely? Dexter figured it out in half a second. Furthermore, how are the rest of Quinn's connections to Liddy not being worried about? What about his immediate awkward reluctance to speak, nevermind the surveillance equipment out in his name? How are they all just happy go lucky because some blood on his shoe apparently didnt match Liddy's when there are a plethora of other things connecting him to Liddy's murder. Why is he not shitting himself over dexter clearly murdering liddy? Because he's in love with deb? Seems kind of silly to me. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:46 BlackJack wrote: I've wanted everyone to know Dexter's secret since day 1. That's what I root for every single season. But when the moment of truth finally came for Deb I was kind of relieved that she didn't see Dexter because that is what keeps a lot of the drama for me. It's kind of like when the Red Sox had the curse, every playoffs game was so much more exciting, but now that the curse is broken nobody cares if the Red Sox wins a world series except for Red Sox fans. Not getting caught is Harry's first rule and it adds so much thrill to the show that once it happens the show will probably die. So right now the show's ratings are great so they are going to keep milking it, when people start getting bored of it then they will do something drastic to spice things up. No reason to mess with a winning formula. The show is awesome because no one knows about Dexter so I agree. If Deb ever found out about Dexter, the show would not be the same we have all gotten used to. One of the best parts about Dexter is seeing how he deals with being an introverted person and what happens when he goes out to social settings. This however has nothing to do with the quality of the finale or the questions left unanswered by the writers. And just because ratings are high for a show it does not mean that it was great, it just means it was a popular show to watch. I love the show, but if the screenwriters have the mentality of "no reason to mess with a winning formula" then I would say they don't understand the business they are in. I just felt like there was too much left for speculation by the writers, which is what I have usually admired them for not doing. Still an awesome show though, don't get me wrong as I just want to explain why the finale was a small disappointment to some. edit: I agree Sigur, definitely some of the questions left in my mind. | ||
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TheCabDriver
Canada159 Posts
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RainCoat
Sweden142 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:22 garbanzo wrote: Yeah, with the exception of the first season the season finale doesn't really tell you what the overarching story of the next season will be. Season two ended all nice and tidy also. With the same arguments that people are saying you can skip season two entirely with the addition that Doakes is no longer in the department when you watch season three. To some extent I would agree with this, each plot does tend to somewhat be contained to its respective season. However, I still think the previous seasons had much more to contribute than this one. Primarily due to Dexter's development, and despite the flak Rita received, she was very dynamic in her own way and evolved over the series as well. + Show Spoiler + Season 1: - Dexter discovers he has a brother which is reflected on at times in later seasons - Doakes begins to grow more suspicious of Dexter Season 2: - Unlike in season 1, she becomes less of a total introvert - Doakes is killed - Dexter tracks down one of the killers of his mother - Dexter temporarily breaks up with Rita in favor of Lila. Ultimately Dexter realizes this was a big mistake and goes back to Rita and her kids. I found this to be huge in character development because it shows that Dexter in fact did desire a normal family life (represented by Rita and her kids) despite his attraction to Lila, which represents his dark side. Season 3: - Rita becomes a typical housewife entirely, as opposed to the emotionally damaged individual she once was. - Dexter marries Rita - Dexter questions the foundations of the code he follows while forming a friendship with Miguel. Ultimately he realizes the code Harry taught him was right all along. Season 4 Easily the most dynamic season - Dexter has a kid - Rita has become a pain in the ass - Dexter struggles with having a family and what he believes to be his destiny as a serial killer. Just when Dexter thinks he's defeated fate, he finds his wife killed and his son traumatized like him. He finally realizes that he must accept his inner monster, reinforcing the Trinity Killer's final words. Season 5 - Dexter begins the season despondent over Rita's death. He copes with the grief by returning to his serial killer lifestyle (you'd think he'd question this a bit more after the previous season) - He eventually develops a relationship with Lumen, who not only fills the void of not having a companion, but also shares in his secret life while being emotionally damaged like him. However, she leaves and the season ends with Dexter every bit as depressed as he was at the start. - I suppose Quinn is no longer a threat to Dexter. The season brought little to nothing to the table, and imo was far less entertaining with a potentially great plot that was executed poorly. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On December 14 2010 02:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: The season brought little to nothing to the table, and imo was far less entertaining with a potentially great plot that was executed poorly. i disagree. season 5 had a huge amount of development for the characters, mainly Deb and Dexter, but also Quinn. Dexter started the season not even being able to show sadness at Rita's death or compassion when breaking the news to his family. by the end of the season he finally earned Astor's love, accepted Deb being happy with Quinn, went through an extremely emotional relationship with Lumen which ended with him realizing his dark passenger will always be alone, and was finally able to come to terms with Rita's death (had the wedding ring on his finger all season until the finale). Deb finally showed really strong detective instincts, solved cases without needing Lundy or Dexter's help, realized even crime and justice aren't as black and white as she believed in previous seasons, was able to work things out with Quinn when she might have previously given up as with prior relationships, and came to the realization she needs to learn Spanish to be a better cop in Miami. and Deb's performance as the actress this season and especially the finale was noticeably better than the first 3 seasons. | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
On December 14 2010 02:03 SiguR wrote: As I went to bed last night, a number of glaring plotholes occurred to me. When they met in the office in a previous episode, Dexter had absolutely no idea who Liddy was. On the boat in the finale, he and everyone else talks as if they knew him. I'm not sure why you think everyone acted like they knew him. Dexter just said that he heard he was a shady guy. How do they explain the crashed car by the camp? Presumeably it was stolen after Chase was seen in his own car on the street. I agree with you on this one. Especially since the car would be reported as stolen near Liddy's crime scene. Why were they calling deb the one who cracked the barrel girl case and acting as if it was closed? Is it just because she found out where the rapes took place? Aren't they still technically looking for jordan chase and the others that dissapeared? I think they cracked it in the sense that they connected Jordan Chase to the entire incident. That was the big issue. They know who did it and he disappeared. You can say there's a vigilante and open up another case or you can just let Jordan disappear. Either way the case isn't closed, but there's nothing more to investigate, they just need to arrest Jordan if they find him. Wouldn't it be painfully obvious that the renting out of surveillance equipment was forged if looked at closely? Dexter figured it out in half a second. Furthermore, how are the rest of Quinn's connections to Liddy not being worried about? What about his immediate awkward reluctance to speak, nevermind the surveillance equipment out in his name? How are they all just happy go lucky because some blood on his shoe apparently didnt match Liddy's when there are a plethora of other things connecting him to Liddy's murder. Why is he not shitting himself over dexter clearly murdering liddy? Because he's in love with deb? Seems kind of silly to me. Doesn't one explain the other (re: surveillance equipment)? Everything that connects Quinn to Liddy is circumstantial. The only material evidence they have was the blood and that didn't belong to the victim. I don't know how it's clear that Dexter murdered Liddy. I think it just adds to the mystery of Dexter from Quinn's perspective. Quinn lawyered up because he didn't want it out in the open that he hired Liddy to keep an eye on Dexter. He also doesn't know that the blood on his shoe is Liddy's. It could be anybody's blood and Dexter's result showed that. I think he was also thanking Dexter for *not* framing him as much as he was thanking Dexter for clearing him. For all he knows though, Dexter did just do his job and the blood wasn't Liddy's. | ||
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
Personally I sum this finale up as a very satisfying ending to the season, anything else to describe it just seems too focused. | ||
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