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+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 19:05 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:27 Curu wrote:On April 24 2012 10:34 LeGo_MaN wrote:On April 24 2012 10:27 Curu wrote:
Which is really odd still, because why doesn't she just sex up random commoners/soliders then?
May be a minor plot hole but such things happen when you get into convoluted magic! Melissandre needs the blood of a king in order to work her magic. It can't be just anyone, royal blood appears to be the catalyst That would make sense except Melisandre asked Davos to sleep with her to make more shadow babies so clearly that isn't it. Davos is hardly a king. The "blood of a king" thing was to wake dragons, not make shadow babies. The blood of a king thing has yet to be proven a requisite for anything, perhaps it is required to make dragons, but she chose not burn the king beyond the wall and I believe she knew Jon sent Mance's son south if I recall correctly so either she does not intend to wake stone dragons or she was lying about king's blood holding more power than others and merely gained substantial power for other things - like reviving Jon, she had been seeing Jon in her fires a lot and maybe she knew she would need power to revive him soon. I personally think it will be something like what she did with Mance, she will give Jon a guise to keep him safe and explain herself to him later, I also wonder what the reason for saving Mance was and why he has chosen to go along with her plans. One thing is certain, GRRM is a baller, and this next book will probably be mind blowingly epic. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 18:50 Licmyobelisk wrote:
damn Stannis is a hypocrite, keeps talking about law and shit but uses magic to kill off upper tier officer in Storm's End and Renly of course.
Also, he was bragging about not getting alliances then goes and ask favors from the NW. what a guy.. ? Where is it said that magic is against the law of anywhere? And bragging about not getting alliances? I don't know where you got that from either.
The prologue of aCoK, where kept telling the maester that he ain't going to get alliance from the North.. LOL look at him now asking help from the North itself.
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On April 24 2012 17:40 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 16:48 Crazyeyes wrote:
Well, no. I like Stannis.
I meant warm up to the actor playing the character. I just dont feel like he fits.
Meanwhile, Tywin is cast PERFECTLY. Arya too. Tyrion maybe (he's a bit too attractive but watever).
Most charactesr, really, have a very nice fit. Of course he is attractive. As far as dwarfs go, Lannister dwarfs are also going to be above the rest 
Not true at all. Tyrion is supposed to be ass-ugly, much more so than is due to just his height.
In one of the first chapters some one thinks about how the gods have spent all their beauty on Cersei and Jaime and had nothing left for Tyrion. He has an ugly, distorted face, uneven eyes of different colours and a crippled posture as well as stunted legs.
In the show, however, he's as handsome as Jaime, if it weren't for his height.
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-I hope Renly wins I like him
-Yeah Renly I think Renly has a bright future
Reading the no spoilers thread is so much fun
Just hoping that he doesn't have to live in his brothers shadow anymore
Ok now someone's just trolling.
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On April 24 2012 22:44 Flik wrote:I wrote this a few pages ago but put it under a spoilers tag... don't know if anyone read it  . Haha. Reposting. Wow starts off with Greywind fucking killing some poor guys. So good. The way they panned to Robb made me think that Robb was controlling Greywind. Which made me wonder about Robb and his warging abilities. I wonder if he had any of the wolf dreams. Im glad they had Roose in it. I was already thinking about how they could do the show without him and thought in my head that they could but they can't without the Bastard of Bolton and Reek. Love how he even talked about flaying and how Robb just shot him down. Showed he has some bad blood in him right off the bat. He wasn't really soft spoken but I mean he has to be clearly audible for television. He sounded pretty good though and he had the eyes. I liked the love interest of Robb. I don't know if its Jeyne Westerling but I don't think she's from Volantis. Probably just some commoner, which is fine because like someone else already pointed out, they just need a catalyst to start the Frey hostility. Jofferey and the whores scene was overdoing it. I thought the acting was pretty bad. It seemed to me that it was setting up a follow up scene with Tyrion... but it just didn't come. Maybe next episode. I don't why/how you come to the opinion of "bad acting" and not sure how the scene was overdoing it and obviously there will be another follow up scene. It seems like a lot of people are nitpicking over "bad" parts just because they think something can't be all good so they have to invent bad things. Why not think outside the box/follow the dialogue. Tyrion walked in on Joffrey beating Sansa, he apologized to Sansa and helped her out, this is basically Tyrion spitting on Joffrey. Afterwards Tyrion talks with Bron about his nephew and they decide getting him some pussy might help calm the fucker out. Joffrey sees his uncles gift and raises him a dead prostitute (or at the very least a heavily beaten one). This clearly shows that Tyrion is not an asshole like some of the people in King's Landing (when he defends Sansa from Joffrey) and also shows that Tyrion DOES have hope that Joffrey might mellow out. The prostitutes scene shows us that there is no hope for Joffrey, not even his closest family (his mother Cersei nor his uncle) can bring the boy to being reasonable. It was not needless, it is thickening the plot. People really shouldn't claim something has no depth when they haven't bothered searching for it first.What was Baelish offering Renly? I really don't remember that at all. Baelish is not nearly as clever in the show as he is in the book and its kinda pising me off. That scene with Margery Tyrell was stupid, why would Littlefinger tell her he knows they're marriage is a sham. How does that benefit him? Imo it just puts his head on a possible chopping block. That final line that Margery delivered was so stupid too "My husband is my king and my king is my husband". Again it seems like your fishing for a bad thing. Baelish was offering Renly open gates when his forces showed up to King's Landing. This is him being clever. He was not there to talk with Renly, he was there to talk to Catelyn on behalf of Tyrion and give her Ned's bones. He however decided to not only do that, but talk to Renly and keep his options open as well as give himself a reason for showing up to his camp without telling Renly he was there to talk to Cat. He now is able to save his own ass if Renly makes it to King's Landing with his forces and then he talks to Margery again to find options, I am not certain of his thoughts with her, but perhaps if she was not completely loyal to Renly he could have split them up (think back to the previous episode where Margary told Renly that people would try to split them up if he did not put a child in her soon). Again, you claim the show has no depth, but you are the one without the ability to see it.God this Catelyn... I want her to die as much as I did in the books. The actress is really nailing the grieving Mom role. I guess if you can do that you got Catelyn down. That one line she threw out during the Stannis/Renly scene was painful, which goes to... Biggest disappointment of the episode goes too... dun da da da... Renly's peach! I thought it was great symbolism by GRRM and I thought it would have applied to TV as well. To be eating a peach and being cheeky with your brother at a war summit really shows that they are the knights of summer. It also does a great job haunting Stannis after he uses sorcery to kill him. Lancel/Tyrion scene was great, just like all of Dinklage's scenes. I could really see him getting another Emmy nod. He just owns the screen every time he's on it. The last few Davos scenes were the best of the episode for the book readers imo. They were pretty close to what happened and the actors nailed the parts. Melisandre birth was the cherry on top of a great episode. It looked great. Anyone notice the gem glowing at her throat? First scene I noticed it in. I loved the score leading into the credits.
The lack of Renly's peach was pretty disappointing to be sure, but stop trying to invent problems/errors in the show and try to enjoy it.
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I never understood the Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne.
When Jaime killed the Mad King, why didn't the Iron Throne go to Viserys and how could Robert just sit on it and be done with it?
A Lannister decided the war, another Lannister killed the King, a Stark led the main forces of the rebellion, a Targaryen was rightful heir to the Iron Throne and yet a Baratheon was crowned?
That does not compute at all...
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On April 25 2012 18:16 kafkaesque wrote:
I never understood the Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne.
When Jaime killed the Mad King, why didn't the Iron Throne go to Viserys and how could Robert just sit on it and be done with it?
A Lannister decided the war, another Lannister killed the King, a Stark led the main forces of the rebellion, a Targaryen was rightful heir to the Iron Throne and yet a Baratheon was crowned?
That does not compute at all...
Robert led the main forces, but was wounded at the Trident, which was why Ned was the first to reach KL after the Lannisters. Robert would have won without Lannister help, but the war would have dragged out much longer. Apart from Viserys, he was also the one with the best legal claim since he was a descendant of Aegon V. It was mostly a matter of right of conquest though. Robert had the support of 4 great houses (including the Tullys). The Lannisters had the support of none, so if they had claimed the crown, they would have been beaten down. Similarly, nobody else had the support of that many great houses.
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This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity...
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On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity...
Why post this in the spoilers thread? I could just tell you what happens with no repercussions :-/
On April 25 2012 16:02 JeosAdn wrote:Reading the no spoilers thread is so much funOk now someone's just trolling.
Hahaha
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On April 25 2012 19:18 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... Why post this in the spoilers thread? I could just tell you what happens with no repercussions :-/
What could you possibly know? Unless you're George R. R. Martin, that's as much as anyone knows by the end of ADwD.
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On April 25 2012 19:19 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:18 Grend wrote:On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... Why post this in the spoilers thread? I could just tell you what happens with no repercussions :-/ What could you possibly know?
Haha sorry I kind of misread your post 
Thought it said end of the season.
And it´s not that complex. GRR decides and people will die in ways you cannot foresee.
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What he means is that "claim" has little to do with who sits on the iron throne at the end. It's all about right of conquest. Everyone and their cat has "claim".
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On April 25 2012 16:02 JeosAdn wrote:Reading the no spoilers thread is so much funOk now someone's just trolling.
Hahah, yeah I haven't read the books but I got to know Renly was gonna die in this thread, so i did a little subtle troll ;D
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On April 25 2012 18:16 kafkaesque wrote:
I never understood the Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne.
When Jaime killed the Mad King, why didn't the Iron Throne go to Viserys and how could Robert just sit on it and be done with it?
A Lannister decided the war, another Lannister killed the King, a Stark led the main forces of the rebellion, a Targaryen was rightful heir to the Iron Throne and yet a Baratheon was crowned?
That does not compute at all...
several characters in the books comment on this. It's a conqueror's throne, it always was, so the whole issue of rights and succession isn't a genuine one.
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On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity...
- Stannis isn't dead (as of yet at least).
- According to Maggy the Frog, Tommen and Myrcella are both going to die before Cersei does. Since Cersei won't make it out of the book series alive (she'll die at the hands of Jaime or Tyrion), her kids won't either.
- I don't see Gendry sitting on the iron throne.
As long as Dany or Aegon don't end up on the throne, I'm ok with whatever. I've had it with the Targs and their self-entitled attitude.
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On April 25 2012 20:33 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... - Stannis isn't dead (as of yet at least). - According to Maggy the Frog, Tommen and Myrcella are both going to die before Cersei does. Since Cersei won't make it out of the book series alive (she'll die at the hands of Jaime or Tyrion), her kids won't either. - I don't see Gendry sitting on the iron throne. As long as Dany or Aegon don't end up on the throne, I'm ok with whatever. I've had it with the Targs and their self-entitled attitude.
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time.
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I imagined the stone glowing much brighter, maybe I remember it wrong but I think it was much more radiant in the books
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You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that.
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On April 25 2012 20:33 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... - Stannis isn't dead (as of yet at least). - According to Maggy the Frog, Tommen and Myrcella are both going to die before Cersei does. Since Cersei won't make it out of the book series alive (she'll die at the hands of Jaime or Tyrion), her kids won't either. - I don't see Gendry sitting on the iron throne. As long as Dany or Aegon don't end up on the throne, I'm ok with whatever. I've had it with the Targs and their self-entitled attitude.
Just minor nit-picking but I think even under Dornish law Aegon's claim trumps Dany's since his claim stems from being eldest surviving child of Rhaegar.
Dany has claim by Dragons.
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On April 25 2012 18:16 kafkaesque wrote:
I never understood the Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne.
When Jaime killed the Mad King, why didn't the Iron Throne go to Viserys and how could Robert just sit on it and be done with it?
A Lannister decided the war, another Lannister killed the King, a Stark led the main forces of the rebellion, a Targaryen was rightful heir to the Iron Throne and yet a Baratheon was crowned?
That does not compute at all...
Robert started the rebellion. The Baratheons were descendants of the Targaryeans on the female lines (iirc).
Robert won the deciding battle, and killed Rhaegar who was the heir and also the commander of the loyalist forces.
5 major houses were involved in the rebellion. The Lannisters came very very late, they couldn't have hoped for the crown, since the others woudltn have supported them. The Tullys came also a bit late, they joined after Hoster's daughters were married off to Stark and Arynn. Ned and Robert were squires in their childhood iirc to Jon Arynn who supported Robert, and was content with becoming the Hand, plus he was a bit old and had no heir (who could follow him or rule the Vale) at the moment of winning of the war. Ned Stark wanted vengeance, not the throne, he was the Lord of Winterfell, and had no heirs or relatives who could replace him at Winterfell if he wanted to sit the throne, which he didn't, as it was said, he was a second son, trained to follow, not so much to lead, and best friends Robert, who was the firstborn of his House, wanted to be king and was charismatic, and inspired loyalty, as it was mentioned many times. + he was unmarried so they could bind one big house to the throne via marriage.
Why not Viserys? Well, obviously, when their relatives were murdered by Aegon, and Ned's sister, Robert's love was "kindapped" by Rhaegar, they had enough of the Targaryans....
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On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that.
hahahahahah
On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time.
Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ?
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