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On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ?
GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time 
Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/
He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter.
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On April 25 2012 21:55 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 18:16 kafkaesque wrote:
I never understood the Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne.
When Jaime killed the Mad King, why didn't the Iron Throne go to Viserys and how could Robert just sit on it and be done with it?
A Lannister decided the war, another Lannister killed the King, a Stark led the main forces of the rebellion, a Targaryen was rightful heir to the Iron Throne and yet a Baratheon was crowned?
That does not compute at all...
Robert started the rebellion. The Baratheons were descendants of the Targaryeans on the female lines (iirc).
Apart from the rest you wrote this was the biggest reason. When Robert complains to Ned about him having the throne instead of Ned, Ned replies that "you had the better claim". Robert's (and thus Stannis' and renly's) grandmother was a sister to to grandfather of Dany/Viserys/Rhaegar (king jaeharys or something).
Ned stark had no family to speak of to house targaryen i think.
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On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter.
It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions.
Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon).
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On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon).
Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up.
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On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up.
If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter.
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Damn man, here's what I think of next showdown besides "The Bastards of the North".
Uncat vs Cersei.
Uncat has an outlaw raiders called the Brotherhood without Banner
Cersei has an undead Giant as her ace.
Both are fucking crazy
Damn, all hell will break lose.
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What i dont get about the letter is how does he know about Mance?
I dont think there s a way he could have recognized him, he has never seen Mance before.
But he couldnt have invented the story, the only thing which would kinda make is that one of the spearwifes told him, and he chose to believe it and not discard it as a silly lie
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On April 25 2012 20:33 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... - Stannis isn't dead (as of yet at least). - According to Maggy the Frog, Tommen and Myrcella are both going to die before Cersei does. Since Cersei won't make it out of the book series alive (she'll die at the hands of Jaime or Tyrion), her kids won't either. - I don't see Gendry sitting on the iron throne. As long as Dany or Aegon don't end up on the throne, I'm ok with whatever. I've had it with the Targs and their self-entitled attitude.
My theory for what's gonna happen is Jaime will be forced by the faith to be their champion against ungregor and Cersei will be forced to make a decision of who to save. Or the undead is weak to valyrian steel and Jaime will get help from Brienne in the form of oathkeeper. Since Cersei will most likely be found guilty her children will be executed first as they are now proven to be the products of incest, followed by Cersei herself
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On April 26 2012 00:27 Flik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up. If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter.
Read up the thread a little. The letter may have been written after the Theon preview chapter.
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On April 26 2012 01:18 Geo.Rion wrote:
What i dont get about the letter is how does he know about Mance?
I dont think there s a way he could have recognized him, he has never seen Mance before.
But he couldnt have invented the story, the only thing which would kinda make is that one of the spearwifes told him, and he chose to believe it and not discard it as a silly lie
Like the boltons say, a naked man has few secrets....a flayed man has none. If he indeed flayed the women and made a cloak of their skin for mance to wear then I'm sure they told the boltons everything they knew.
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On April 24 2012 03:39 aloT wrote:
the dany sections of the tv series is identical to the books - for the next 4 seasons they will be universally disliked for their slow pace and complete disjointment from the rest of the plot
Book 3 they were pretty exciting. Not done with book 5 yet but so far totally disjointed and reads like an adolescent teen vampire romance novel (not that I would know anything about that).
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God I can't even read this thread without getting fits of rage towards the Freys / Boltons...
I wish Theon had redeemed during the wedding by exposing the fake-Arya for what she is.
He would have basically destroyed the Boltons, for Stark's former bannerman would have torn them to pieces right there and have greatly helped Stannis.
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Quoted instead of edited, sorry.
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It makes me sad to read the non-spoiler thread and see dicks like this
On April 25 2012 17:31 scarrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 15:35 zodde wrote:
@Robb and Lord Ugly: If he's to become as powerful as he wants to, that marriage deal is nothing he will have to worry about. He could simply refuse, or he could probably buy his way out after winning the war. Anyways, those kind of marriages are just politics and diplomacy, so he could probably be with whoever he wanted on the side (passionate mistress kind of deal). This is just too funny.
Some other guy joking about Renly's shadow is hardly the same, as that's going down in the next episode, but this?!
Also love the dude whining about not being able to use THIS thread cause he hasn't read all the books, but finds it completely ok to use the tv-only thread when he's read some of them. Hypocrite much.
I love reading theories and discussing tv series on forums after each episode is broadcast, but it obviously doesn't work at all with a series like GoT. To all my friends who even remotely enjoy Game of Thrones I urge them to stay away from ALL forum based discussion until they're completely up to date. :[
That said, what's the policy for the released tWoW chapters in this thread? I don't mind seeing people naming the PoV characters, as long as the actual content is within spoiler tags.
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On April 26 2012 01:25 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:27 Flik wrote:On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up. If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter. Read up the thread a little. The letter may have been written after the Theon preview chapter.
I'm confused though. If the contents of Ramsey's letter were true, then wouldn't he have fake Arya in his custody already?
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On April 26 2012 04:07 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:25 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:27 Flik wrote:On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up. If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter. Read up the thread a little. The letter may have been written after the Theon preview chapter. I'm confused though. If the contents of Ramsey's letter were true, then wouldn't he have fake Arya in his custody already?
Not if they escaped somehow. With GRRM it's hard to peg what could be going on. I'm anxiously awaiting the next book.
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On April 26 2012 04:21 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 04:07 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 26 2012 01:25 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:27 Flik wrote:On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up. If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter. Read up the thread a little. The letter may have been written after the Theon preview chapter. I'm confused though. If the contents of Ramsey's letter were true, then wouldn't he have fake Arya in his custody already? Not if they escaped somehow. With GRRM it's hard to peg what could be going on. I'm anxiously awaiting the next book.
Fair enough, but I don't think he's gonna kill a guy like Stannis between books.
The more likely interpretation is that the preview chapter happened before some chapters at the end of aDwD but probably concurrently with Jon's.
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On April 26 2012 04:07 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:25 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:27 Flik wrote:On April 26 2012 00:24 Maginor wrote:On April 26 2012 00:01 setzer wrote:On April 25 2012 23:16 Maginor wrote:On April 25 2012 23:12 c0ldfusion wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Manit0u wrote:
You guys are all wrong. Greyjoys are going to pay the iron price for the Iron Throne. Simple as that. hahahahahah On April 25 2012 21:02 Maginor wrote:
Stannis may very well be dead. The last Jon chapter from aDwD happened some time after the preview chapter from tWoW. The Targaryens are the only ones with the potential to unify the realm and stop the civil wars at this point. Especially if Dany learns how to control the dragons. It doesn't matter who is the more likeable, it matters who can be a stabilizing factor in time. Edit: How do you know that the last Jon chapter happened after the preview chapter from tWoW ? GRRM said so. This is not a good answer until I can provide a source. Give me some time Edit: http://grrm.livejournal.com/2011/12/28/He says that it takes place before some of the last chapters of aDwD. Since we are supposed to be able to see this from context, that has to include Jon's chapter. It is possible the events in the preview happen around the time Ramsey is writing the letter and before Jon receives the letter. IIRC Ramsey believes Jeyne Poole (fake Arya) is at the wall when she is actually at Stannis' camp. I would find it hard to believe Jeyne would be able to manage her way to the wall, or Stannis send her to the wall, with the current weather conditions. Disregarding timeline events entirely, Ramsey has proven in past events to not at all be considered trustful (his handling at Moat Cailyn, his promises to Theon). Yeah, there are definitely some things in that letter that don't add up. If you read the new Theon chapter, it confirms everyones thoughts on the letter. Read up the thread a little. The letter may have been written after the Theon preview chapter. I'm confused though. If the contents of Ramsey's letter were true, then wouldn't he have fake Arya in his custody already?
What we know is Theon and "Arya" ended up at Stannis' camp and supposedly later on Ramsay kills Stannis. So what happened? Did Stannis besiege Winterfell and get caught in the process? Did Ramsay ride out and attack his camp? In the former, I doubt Theon/Arya would go with him. In the latter it's very likely they were sent away well before (to the wall?) or they fled as it was happening.
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I just hope the boltons die in the most disgusting, ridiculous, fucked up death that I haven't thought about..
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On April 26 2012 01:18 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 20:33 moopie wrote:On April 25 2012 19:14 kafkaesque wrote:
This makes the story soooo complex.
It'll be interesting to see who's sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the series.
Basically you could make a case for:
-Stannis (if you accept Robert's claim and if Ramsay didn't kill him)
-Tommen (if you accept Robert's claim and have no idea about Tommen's true parantage)
-Myrcella (if you accept Robert's claim, have no idea about her true parentage and live in Dorn)
-Aegon VI (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Westeros-laws)
-Daenerys (if you don't accept Robert's claim and accept Dornish laws)
-Gendry (if you accept Robert's claim and don't mind his being a bastard)
-Jon (if rumors about his parentage are in fact true and if he isn't dead by then)
I feel like I am forgetting someone. Overwhelmed by complexity... - Stannis isn't dead (as of yet at least). - According to Maggy the Frog, Tommen and Myrcella are both going to die before Cersei does. Since Cersei won't make it out of the book series alive (she'll die at the hands of Jaime or Tyrion), her kids won't either. - I don't see Gendry sitting on the iron throne. As long as Dany or Aegon don't end up on the throne, I'm ok with whatever. I've had it with the Targs and their self-entitled attitude. My theory for what's gonna happen is Jaime will be forced by the faith to be their champion against ungregor and Cersei will be forced to make a decision of who to save. Or the undead is weak to valyrian steel and Jaime will get help from Brienne in the form of oathkeeper. Since Cersei will most likely be found guilty her children will be executed first as they are now proven to be the products of incest, followed by Cersei herself
Lol. Jamie is Kingsguard, he cannot by the law represent the church
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