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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
February 07 2013 16:56 GMT
#61
I usually have a support who buys it on the team. As I said, it's not bad on her, but I would still try to avoid getting it on her. Because it is a very slot-ineffective item and it's one of the good easy-to-get support items and the supports will be able to use it for you in teamfights.
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FancYCaT
Profile Joined October 2012
45 Posts
February 07 2013 20:48 GMT
#62
I think you are really underestimating the value of Medallion, also the supports can't determine which target you rightclick with your ult so it is a lot more efficent to buy it youself.

+ Show Spoiler +
I just tried to create some evidence using Medallion in my last game, for people who are really interested check the match ID and see how targets with Medallion on them melt compared to the experience you made without it.

[image loading]

Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
February 07 2013 21:05 GMT
#63
Biggest problem with medallion is solely the slot inefficiency of the item. Everything else about it is good.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
February 07 2013 21:49 GMT
#64
On February 08 2013 05:48 FancYCaT wrote:
I think you are really underestimating the value of Medallion, also the supports can't determine which target you rightclick with your ult so it is a lot more efficent to buy it youself.

+ Show Spoiler +
I just tried to create some evidence using Medallion in my last game, for people who are really interested check the match ID and see how targets with Medallion on them melt compared to the experience you made without it.

[image loading]


http://dotabuff.com/matches/93475980

See I can also bragpost.

Also if your supports don't know who you are focusing you need to learn to communicate...

Medallion is one of the few really strong items that supports can actually farm in a reasonbly time.
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FancYCaT
Profile Joined October 2012
45 Posts
February 07 2013 22:12 GMT
#65
It's not a bragpost, the screen was made by my friend who played with me cause he was so proud of beating Dendi. I just felt like sharing it cause the game demonstrates the power of Medallion really really well.

Also no matter how good the communication with your supports is, you might actually have to change the target every 7 seconds depending on the situation. Not even the best support will be able to perfectly use Medallion.
I kinda agree with firebolt that the slot is the only real downside.
Another thing that can have a lot of impact that some players will misjudge situations and expect lesser damage from exorcism, which can lead to a quick death if Krobelus has a Medallion.
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
February 08 2013 00:51 GMT
#66
Tried medalion on Krob, stuff was dying uber fast. Tell your support's to get it, save your inventory slot and everyone is happy.
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
February 08 2013 01:55 GMT
#67
On February 06 2013 15:13 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 08:44 synapse wrote:
On February 06 2013 08:18 Firebolt145 wrote:
No, you're meant to say 'find match' obviously. What kind of Dota player are you?

:'(

also you better be saving that 10k for some epic dota guide

Well, I just went to sleep at 9999 so it may have looked as though I was waiting on something, but I'm not really sentimental about these things. I am working on another guide but really busy atm to finish it.


meepo guide inc
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
February 08 2013 12:56 GMT
#68
On February 06 2013 08:18 Firebolt145 wrote:
No, you're meant to say 'find match' obviously. What kind of Dota player are you?

my hero
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 13:28:00
February 08 2013 13:27 GMT
#69
On February 08 2013 10:55 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 15:13 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 06 2013 08:44 synapse wrote:
On February 06 2013 08:18 Firebolt145 wrote:
No, you're meant to say 'find match' obviously. What kind of Dota player are you?

:'(

also you better be saving that 10k for some epic dota guide

Well, I just went to sleep at 9999 so it may have looked as though I was waiting on something, but I'm not really sentimental about these things. I am working on another guide but really busy atm to finish it.


meepo guide inc

Heh, no. Maybe someday. Though I am getting more respect meepo bans than respect invoker bans now. Buff invoker pls icefrog
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
February 08 2013 13:39 GMT
#70
i don't think invoker need some buff :/
CM need some MS. just a little bit.
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 14 2013 20:56 GMT
#71
After playing a few games with this phase/drums/euls build... I gotta say that 500 movement speed is SO amazing. NEVER DIE!

Thanks for guide ofc <3
:)
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4537 Posts
February 16 2013 16:09 GMT
#72
Nice guide, just went 16 - 4 - 12 with it. The movement speed is indeed amazing
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 17 2013 16:04 GMT
#73
Just tried out this guide.

Works like a charm i must say. Thanks for this!
Mew Mew Pew Pew
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 17 2013 16:40 GMT
#74
I don't think that going for excessive speed in the mid game is such a good build it seems to me that this build is constructed to be effective on pub stomps as opposed to real games. It doesn't really give an explanation for the speed build and when to use it. If you are going for a speed build you are aiming to run down heroes after the team fight or have the change to run away. I think it's much better to rely upon your teammates to slow or stun enemies on the run. Krobulus is best when she is difficult to target down but with her ulti on difficult to ignore.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 17:48:59
February 17 2013 17:44 GMT
#75
On February 18 2013 01:40 archonOOid wrote:
I don't think that going for excessive speed in the mid game is such a good build it seems to me that this build is constructed to be effective on pub stomps as opposed to real games. It doesn't really give an explanation for the speed build and when to use it. If you are going for a speed build you are aiming to run down heroes after the team fight or have the change to run away. I think it's much better to rely upon your teammates to slow or stun enemies on the run. Krobulus is best when she is difficult to target down but with her ulti on difficult to ignore.


The movement speed is mainly for positioning and chasing down targets. Feel free to try out the build. As I have written in the guide, there are more ways to make you hard to kill than just stacking hp/armor. Even though Eul's gives 0 hp it still is really annoying for people to focus you down because of it. Either they sit and do nothing for 3seconds while you still do high dps and your teammates focus them down. Or they are forced to switch targets.

The "midgame item build" is supposed to be achieved around 18min. That's my timing for it. But you can get it earlier if you are better than me.

I.E: My Treads + Bottle + Magic Wand + Orchid timing for storm was 18min as well. But Fnatic.Era got it at 15min almost every single game.

As for the pubstomp part, I linked replays from both an inhouse and a scrim if you want to check them out. It's not made for pubstomping.
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3516 Posts
February 18 2013 17:46 GMT
#76
In my games getting it around/pre 18th minute required some kills, even with near perfect farm mid you won't get those items so fast without kills/assists. That or someone stacking jungle.

But I really like these items, had awesome games with DP so far by following this guide.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
February 18 2013 19:12 GMT
#77
On February 19 2013 02:46 Andr3 wrote:
In my games getting it around/pre 18th minute required some kills, even with near perfect farm mid you won't get those items so fast without kills/assists. That or someone stacking jungle.

But I really like these items, had awesome games with DP so far by following this guide.


Yeah by 18min you should have had some kills and/or assists and/or towers. Unless the game is very passive where you can just farm lane and the 2 camps close to mid (easy and hard camp)

But you can still achieve it consistantly around 18min which is the point. Doesn't matter how you get the gold as long as you get it.

Also nice to see so many people enjoying the build and having success with it ^_^
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
February 18 2013 23:53 GMT
#78
ult + cyclone = imba. damn i hate ghosts.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 04:55:03
February 19 2013 03:24 GMT
#79
Followed this guide for two games and went 14-4-7 and 15 / 4 / 17, best part was that (at least I think) I had great presence and influence in both games. Especially in the 2nd game I feel like I was the main reason we won because I kept us in it till the hard carries were strong enough to close the game out.
This is not to brag but to give props, thanks for the guide, made a huge improvement in my DP play.
Only negative is I dont think I hit your 18 min timing (although maybe pauses messed it up, + im not too hot at LH so I can work on that anyway)
Also agree with posters above, MS feels great and fun, and euls is just great
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
February 19 2013 04:05 GMT
#80
I don't necessarily agree with your stance and opinion of Bloodstone on her, but none the less, this is a great guide.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
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