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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
if its almost all magic burst, it might even be casual cloak (or even hood or pipe) instead of platemail' but ideally you do want to be a lightning rod, you just want to also survive all that burst. if you eat a few targeted spells and survive, you're likely winning that fight | ||
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phantomlancer23
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cadeclayman
United States8 Posts
On February 28 2016 02:47 phantomlancer23 wrote: Whats wrong with DP?We are 2 days in Shangai Major and nobody picks her.Teams often go for push strategies but nobody picks DP even if she is very good in push or anti-push.She took some buffs last patch why they dont pick her now?Is there something that counters her so bad? Teams can take advantage of her ulti cd. But I'm sure people will pick her later on in the tournament. Its only 2 days. Obv. she won't be picked everygame because she is strongest in a push lineup. Other mid heroes are more versatile and less one-dimensional. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
Hell pros are much better in general in taking advantage of timings. Where in a pub after her ult is down, people farm/don't pressure while she is weak, a pro team will take advantage of it. Doesn't mean she won't be picked at all, but she has serious weaknesses in competitive that limits her picks. Look for OG to pick her, Notail played her this patch several times. | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
On January 14 2016 03:01 Logo wrote: Lotus Orb seems pretty low situational to me? It seems like it misses the point of DP and why you get tanky with her. If the enemy team has a ton of targeted or AoE magic damage then Lotus Orb is going to struggle a bit because the stats aren't geared towards tanking magical damage and Eul's should already mostly solve mana regen issues. Lotus will make you tankier against right clicks, but even if they partially blows themselves up killing you it's probably worth it for their team since killing a DP with her ult up is a huge win. Soul Siphon helps make DP naturally hp-tanky, but at the same time getting whacked with disables opens up the possibility of people just breaking the leash. So if there's actually a lot of good stuff to reflect it seems just as likely that you'll have trouble using soul siphon as a reliable HP sustain. It's really important for DP to stay alive, so having her be tanky is important because she doesn't want to be a lightning rod for a bunch of abilities like say a Bristleback. It's the same reason why you don't often make blademail on DP. Late game when DP is tanky and her damage contribution is going to peak soon I can see making a Lotus Orb, but early on in a build it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless the Lotus is going to create incredible trades getting blasted isn't going to go well. A 1 for 1 trade where DP blows her ult is a big win for the other team. It seems like a casual platemail -> Octarine or Atos would be better (if you are going those anyways). By time you complete the Lotus orb you could be <1000 from having the Soul Booster which also solves your mana regen issues AND gives you a ton of HP to boot. Or you'd be ~500 from Atos and its +30 int. Then once you finish Octarine you can make a Shiva's or Lotus as needed. I agree that you probably need some health before lotus becomes worth it. But I think lotus actually has a lot of synergy with syphon. Your drain targets can't stun and run and armor increases ehp without increasing hp, so you drain more efficient life. Also similar to blademail, lotus stops the enemy from just zapping you, because most players don't want to get zapped back. So in that way it works similar to euls, it gives you a timed "don't hit me" period. I'm not sure if I'd choose it over shivas once I have enough gold to have bought an octo-core. On paper DP is a classical small items hero. She usually is on a timer and wants to tank up and get objectives before the enemies carry just becomes fat enough to shred her and ignore her damage. In that regard I think it's a mistake to rush octo-core too hard. I think euls->atos->Lotus gives you lots of survivability and utility to try to go hg. Mb even go euls->vit/point booster->platemail->atos/oc->lotus or pb->euls->lotus->oc. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 03 2016 19:17 Irratonalys wrote: ive played quite a bit of DP this patch , and i think sometimes maxing siphon first is the way to go. if your mid against a kunkka , dk or pudge this ability is so punishing, just makes it impossible to trade with you. im liking 2-0-4-1 or 4-0-4-0 at the moment. if your against a ranged mid that outlanes you , like viper or invoker , maxing crypt however is still the way to go ive been able to win against a wex invoker with 3041 dp, but your mileage may vary | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
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LennX
4530 Posts
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
After Euls you should probably aim for bkb+octarine+shivas in no particular order. Atos / Hex / Heart / AC / Skadi still good options too. Lotus orb / Refresher / Linkens situational. Don't think Aether lens is that good on her but seen some build it, still prefer other stuff. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
still it's pubsy wubsy games we're talking about, so i don't see why those two items aren't staple if you know you can get them in time. way back when, bloodstone used to be a thing, barely anyone favors it (minus lesh) over octarine anymore. | ||
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
With octarine it's 19815 which is a bit higher but you see networths like that pretty much every game. According to My source datdota pros gets Euls + BKB + Shivas on average at 33minutes. And DP has 50% winrate so that includes the losses as well. Those are definitely achievable items in a normal game. They also manage to get Octarine core at average 28min. In this very recent game Fata has 14k networth at 27min. + Show Spoiler + Definitely think you can average it on 30-35min very consistently. Then octarine after that if you went for that build. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
DP is so good with reduced cooldowns overall, and can carry a whole team with that ultimate. Rushing the Octarine probably isn't the best route, but definitely core for sure. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 08 2016 06:31 trinxified wrote: Octarine is definitely the best item for this hero, even as a first item if possible. DP is so good with reduced cooldowns overall, and can carry a whole team with that ultimate. Rushing the Octarine probably isn't the best route, but definitely core for sure. i think you need euls no matter what because of the increased mana cost on q and slight one on e adding to her mana burden relative to rpevious patches, plus you still love everything else it gives then you choose either lotus orb or oct for finishing out the mana regen problem if yougo bloodstone you might want some kind of smaller armor item like blademail or puppeybuckler if youre against more magic stuff and lockdown youll need a bkb of course if physical becomes a problem sooner, you go ghost + shiva or ac or lotus or some combination | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
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Danzo
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