just tryed it... It's fun but I rather stay "more tanky".

I play mostly pure pubs and while i see why this is strong, it also completly shuts down your ability to snowball

VoirDire

Sweden1923 Posts

April 19 2013 00:27 GMT

#103

Nice guide. I prefer Shiva's Guard over Eye of Skadi though, as the Arctic Blast usually is enough to catch up to melee heroes and the massive 15 armor and 30% attack speed slow helps both vs ranged and melee heroes. Also, it's ~1000 gold cheaper.

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

April 19 2013 14:27 GMT

#104

On April 19 2013 09:27 VoirDire wrote:
Nice guide. I prefer Shiva's Guard over Eye of Skadi though, as the Arctic Blast usually is enough to catch up to melee heroes and the massive 15 armor and 30% attack speed slow helps both vs ranged and melee heroes. Also, it's ~1000 gold cheaper.

except it doesnt give you a single point of hp. and with this build you kinda want something to boost your hp a bit.

redsoxman

United States6 Posts

April 19 2013 19:25 GMT

#105

A great guide, I will have to try it out. One thing that I think most people don't know about (or underrate) is the benefits of buying small items early. I have started going Eul's first on a lot of solo mid INTs because the early Sobi mask can really make a difference. I will usually try to get it after bottle and boots, which means right around where mana becomes a big issue as you want to spam Swarm, you get an extra mana per second.

I wanna go fast!

trinxified

Canada7774 Posts

April 19 2013 23:12 GMT

#106

Great guide. I don't know why but I really hate Phase boots as a whole (not just on Krob). I really prefer the Arcane Boots, helps with the swarm spam, and also helps pushes with the team.

As for the phase boots, I don't know why but I always think the other boots choices are better with most heroes.

Viruuus

Germany451 Posts

April 20 2013 07:02 GMT

#107

On April 19 2013 00:44 Velr wrote:
just tryed it... It's fun but I rather stay "more tanky".

I play mostly pure pubs and while i see why this is strong, it also completly shuts down your ability to snowball

This guides build is one of the tankiest I can imagine for Krob. Also you snowball super hard if you get the items quick. If you can get to the heart or skadi in a reasonable time.. there is no harder snowball for Krob..

Jetaap

France4814 Posts

April 20 2013 08:31 GMT

#108

On April 20 2013 16:02 Viruuus wrote:

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Yeah I don't understand how this build would prevent you from snowballing, with eul scepter you already have enough mana regen and you'll have a much bigger impact in teamfights that with an early bloodstone (eul yourself or a high priority target). Then with the money from these early engagement you can snowball into an early sheepstick + skadi/heart.

Viruuus

Germany451 Posts

April 20 2013 09:51 GMT

#109

On April 20 2013 04:25 redsoxman wrote:
A great guide, I will have to try it out. One thing that I think most people don't know about (or underrate) is the benefits of buying small items early. I have started going Eul's first on a lot of solo mid INTs because the early Sobi mask can really make a difference. I will usually try to get it after bottle and boots, which means right around where mana becomes a big issue as you want to spam Swarm, you get an extra mana per second.

I wanna go fast!

this is a fair point, and even though I think you should get bottle first, phase boots second and then work on your drums, it is not a bad idea to get the sobi mask right after bottle, and finish euls after drums e.g.
The extra regen really helps!

corsibu

Italy8 Posts

April 20 2013 16:20 GMT

#110

still I prefer a lothar on him, great success :D

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

April 22 2013 03:41 GMT

#111

first of all its her, second lothar is legit on anyhero when you;re ahead by that much.

Mr.Babo

6 Posts

April 23 2013 07:07 GMT

#112

Prefer playing DP as a support hero, don't let the game revolve around her. Let her take the back-seat role, not on mid solo, and she'll be imbalanced in no time.

If you put all your focus on buffing her up, the opponents will make sure she gets shut down. But put her in a tri-lane and I guarantee they'll ignore her most of the time, at which point she is the most effective.

If DP isn't shut down in team fights, it's over for the opposition.

synapse

China13814 Posts

April 23 2013 07:51 GMT

#113

On April 23 2013 16:07 Mr.Babo wrote:
Prefer playing DP as a support hero, don't let the game revolve around her. Let her take the back-seat role, not on mid solo, and she'll be imbalanced in no time.

If you put all your focus on buffing her up, the opponents will make sure she gets shut down. But put her in a tri-lane and I guarantee they'll ignore her most of the time, at which point she is the most effective.

If DP isn't shut down in team fights, it's over for the opposition.

What? DP contributes absolutely nothing to a trilane. She needs both farm and levels, has no stun / slow, and has very little nuking power without the proper mana regen / levels....

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

April 23 2013 10:21 GMT

#114

On April 23 2013 16:51 synapse wrote:

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What? DP contributes absolutely nothing to a trilane. She needs both farm and levels, has no stun / slow, and has very little nuking power without the proper mana regen / levels....

This, the only thing which would make her useful to a trilane would be her massive pushing power, which only comes at level 6, which will be severely delayed in a trilane...

VoirDire

Sweden1923 Posts

April 23 2013 12:12 GMT

#115

On April 19 2013 23:27 aintz wrote:

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except it doesnt give you a single point of hp. and with this build you kinda want something to boost your hp a bit.

15 armor is 90% EHP increase and 30% slow is 42% increase, combined it's 170% more EHP (vs physical), which is a lot more than skadi's flat HP increase. Atleast vs physical damage.

EDIT: Calculation error.

Kabras

Romania3508 Posts

April 23 2013 12:19 GMT

#116

i don't like the mkb at all, the comparison to qop and storm spirit to justify this item is silly. i'm not sure if her attack animation is worse than storm's (it's worse than qop's for sure), but the projectile speed is a joke. don't buy right click items for krobelus, even in very late game they're just not worth it. her swarm and ult are enough damage to make sure she can't be ignored. ur much better off stacking on armor and hp than trying to improve a terrible right click. skadi's mediocre at best for the same reason, the agility is pretty much wasted and the orb effect isn't as good as it is on other heroes + you won't get lifesteal on her so you can't take advantage of ranged skadi+lifesteal effect stack either. if you absolutely have enough hp and armor, just get some utility like a hex and bkb.

DrPandaPhD

5188 Posts

April 23 2013 13:26 GMT

#117

If you actually followed the guide it always gets Sheep before mkb. I listed a lot of items, mbk is a good item if your team just needs raw damage. Also if you are unkillable and want people to target you what's the point in getting a bkb?

My point with Skadi was that it destroys low-mobility melee carries. The only weakness N'aix has is his mobility, and he has rage to help with that a bit. Venomancer's gale or SD's ult destroys N'aix. Skadi does the exact same thing, 30% constant slow + 20% slower attack speed is pretty huge. They need to hit stuff to survive. If they don't, they just fall over.. It abuses the weakness of the hero harder than any other item in the game. Teamfights is about keeping your supports alive. Supports wins fights, not the carries. If they die within a N'aix rage because you couldn't help them means you will often times lose the entire fight. Sheepstick helps after the rage, got to make sure they live through it, which Skadi does. If they live, you will often times win the fight.

"But DrPandaPhD, Skadi doesn't help much if Naix focuses you."

If he does focus you, you can Eul's out of the slow and just run away. Or just run away with a ghost scepter. He can't focus you, you are way too untouchable at that point. And if he doesn't focus you, you can focus him with the Skadi debuff. I don't build Skadi because it's an amazing item for DP (it's not). I build it because it's an amazing item vs N'aix / Sven.

theLiminator

Canada57 Posts

May 20 2013 10:54 GMT

#118

Do you ever get a naked plate mail before the guinsoos? I find against a heavy physical lineup, it does wonders to my survivability. At that point, I either choose to complete shivas or guinsoo depending on which one is more crucial.

DrPandaPhD

5188 Posts

May 20 2013 12:00 GMT

#119

On May 20 2013 19:54 theLiminator wrote:
Do you ever get a naked plate mail before the guinsoos? I find against a heavy physical lineup, it does wonders to my survivability. At that point, I either choose to complete shivas or guinsoo depending on which one is more crucial.

I usually go ghost scepter vs physical heavy lineups. But I can definitely see plate mail -> something else later being good. My item build is just a general guideline. Tweaking it depending on the match is the way to go.

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

May 20 2013 17:33 GMT

#120

Clearly this guide is godlike, because when i use it I am good enough to start nearly every game at least 6-1, yet bad enough that once when I tried to use the eul scepter I dropped it and it was stolen by a shadow blade viper.

I love how everyone underestimates dp 1v1. The cooldown on bats is so short that you can get 2 of them off before the opponent's skill is off of cooldown, and then a third one to kill them before they can run back to the tower.