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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 11:28 GMT
#21
On an unrelated note if someone else has AC and you have aegis as your 5th item (example abyssal, bkb, treads, vlads, aegis, medallion (medallion is sellable at this point)) then rapier is a totally legit choice. Would recommend rebuying bkb before you get it and sticking with the team but with your kind of hp, aegis and a 10 sec bkb rapier is a very strong 50 minute teamfight item.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 28 2013 11:50 GMT
#22
i should have been more specific, what if someone wards the magic bush and another spot (blocking 3 camps)? or even more obnoxious if a support starts with 2 sents and 2 obs and completly blocks your jungle if radiant?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 11:59 GMT
#23
Get tangos instead of hatchet, go onto lane for 6 minutes.
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Taronar
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands177 Posts
December 28 2013 12:03 GMT
#24
This build sounds and feels weird. You suicide and get a hatchet..?

Personal build:

I get RoB, 2 clarity and go for easy1. Kill it before .53 and kill easy2 right after that. Finishing easy2 you should have lost your second set of wolves. After that run into Medium1 while popping a clarity. After Medium1 is down, get ring and go easy3. Once that pack is dead you should be level 3 near 4. From here on farm your way to vlads, get brown boots straight after. Build into BKB if they have alot of stuns/snares or SB if they dont. Finish Treads somewhere in between and don't forget about the Deso for extreme pushing.

Winning games in 30 minutes or less.
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Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
December 28 2013 12:06 GMT
#25
Why do you buy a sages mask if you already start with a basilius? Doesn't vlads only need one sages mask?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 12:09 GMT
#26
On December 28 2013 21:06 Sr18 wrote:
Why do you buy a sages mask if you already start with a basilius? Doesn't vlads only need one sages mask?

Need it for medallion anyway, can't summon wolves without it. It's not the fastest vlads but it is the fastest farm/rosh.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 12:19:03
December 28 2013 12:12 GMT
#27
On December 28 2013 21:03 Taronar wrote:
This build sounds and feels weird. You suicide and get a hatchet..?

Personal build:

I get RoB, 2 clarity and go for easy1. Kill it before .53 and kill easy2 right after that. Finishing easy2 you should have lost your second set of wolves. After that run into Medium1 while popping a clarity. After Medium1 is down, get ring and go easy3. Once that pack is dead you should be level 3 near 4. From here on farm your way to vlads, get brown boots straight after. Build into BKB if they have alot of stuns/snares or SB if they dont. Finish Treads somewhere in between and don't forget about the Deso for extreme pushing.

Winning games in 30 minutes or less.

Tried it your way, you get vlads/medallion/rosh way slower. Brown boots first and mana regen items over clarities is just better. Try it vs bots a few times and you'll see.

Building a shadow blade on Lycan makes you literally the worst player ever. Desol, same. Your Lycan is wasting your time and that of everyone on your team, you're gonna end up with desol/bkb/treads/vlads/aegis/shadow blade and finding that actually you can't kill shit because you forgot to go abyssal/ac/heart/necro. Just play bounty hunter if you want to gank people with desol from invis. It's not like Lycan needs a shadow blade to escape from situations he doesn't like.

Shadow blading around the jungle ganking heroes with 4second bkb and crit is not a good use of Lycan, he doesn't need those kills, he needs the gold for the big name items and he needs 6 of them.
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maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
December 28 2013 13:12 GMT
#28
Amazing nick.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 28 2013 14:26 GMT
#29
Instructions not clear enough, ended up in 1900mmr.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 15:53:27
December 28 2013 15:46 GMT
#30
Hmm I used to open with ROB but I found this to be better, but if you've tried this then let me know why your version works better, I am keen to know.

Starting with ring of protection, tango, hatchet, clarity then go for medium camp first, then go to next medium camp while getting basi and more tangos from courier. Just keep killing medium camps while getting claries and food until you can go for hard camps. Never go for small camps unless you have to.

Level wolves, howl, wolves, passive, max wolves and howl then passive last. Howl is really low mana cost anyway, and does more early game. Always get ulti level 6 to help out team mates, maxed howl and ulti with vlads is not so bad, I generally get a kill with it.

I'm not that good by any means but I've had a lot of success with it in ranked. After I got it down after the first two losses I basically won all my games except 1 after that.

(all jungle lycan)
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 28 2013 16:03 GMT
#31
The reason for RoB start is largely because of the suicide. Stout is a holdover item whose purpose is only to keep you from losing too much HP on early levels. it does't build into anything, loses effectiveness as you gain levels, and gets sold pretty quickly anyway. If you weren't suiciding it would make sense, but the suicide allows you to be really greedy in your initial item selection.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 28 2013 16:42 GMT
#32
if you're going to sucide and go largely clarityless you should consider bottle
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
December 28 2013 17:54 GMT
#33
ITT: people with <600 games as Lycan talking about Lycan. goddamn peasants.

my question: what is your worst nightmare? how do you absolutely crush lycan? is it as simple as warding/blocking early? what's the the most effective counterpick?
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 28 2013 18:13 GMT
#34
you know you've been playing too much dota when you get out of the shower and say to yourself, "first item: hairbrush. bad item choice"
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 19:03 GMT
#35
A support hero trading lack of farm with you early game. Enchantress or veno or Chen camping your woods and making you back.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 19:05 GMT
#36
On December 29 2013 01:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
if you're going to sucide and go largely clarityless you should consider bottle

Read the guide, we suicide once before 600 gold. After then you can go pure farming without any downtime with boots and all gold spent on necessary items. There is no way another method can be faster.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 28 2013 19:10 GMT
#37
On December 28 2013 21:06 Sr18 wrote:
Why do you buy a sages mask if you already start with a basilius? Doesn't vlads only need one sages mask?

Second Sobi before Vlad's was actually extremely common when Lycan was OP in 6.72-6.74.

You don't really feel the difference when jungling. It becomes apparent why you get it when you finish Vlad+Medal and have 100+ more mana at that point from the regen you got holding the casual Sobi mask for so long, meaning you don't have to base or Clarity before doing Rosh.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 20:25:40
December 28 2013 20:16 GMT
#38
On December 29 2013 04:05 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 01:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
if you're going to sucide and go largely clarityless you should consider bottle

Read the guide, we suicide once before 600 gold. After then you can go pure farming without any downtime with boots and all gold spent on necessary items. There is no way another method can be faster.


bottle in place of basi is faster
roshan is also doable with just treads vlads bottle

so if your plan is to start with basi and get quelling, starting quelling and grabbing a bottle will lead to marginally faster clear times and the ability to controll runes, and significantly more mana for the first 10 minutes
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ArchmageKruzer
Profile Joined August 2013
64 Posts
December 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#39
for early jungle, it's often times actually more efficient to kill the larger creep before the smaller creep, because 1) the creep usually has some benificial aura (like centaur swiftness aura or wildwing armor aura) and 2. creep dps is actually skewed heavily towards the larger creep. This video explains it very well.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
December 28 2013 22:10 GMT
#40
On December 29 2013 05:16 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 04:05 KwarK wrote:
On December 29 2013 01:42 Kupon3ss wrote:
if you're going to sucide and go largely clarityless you should consider bottle

Read the guide, we suicide once before 600 gold. After then you can go pure farming without any downtime with boots and all gold spent on necessary items. There is no way another method can be faster.


bottle in place of basi is faster
roshan is also doable with just treads vlads bottle

so if your plan is to start with basi and get quelling, starting quelling and grabbing a bottle will lead to marginally faster clear times and the ability to controll runes, and significantly more mana for the first 10 minutes

Replay pls?

Also medallion is just a fantastic item to have on Lycan anyway for the early/midgame. Big damage application bonus and the extra mana regen really helps too.
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