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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
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Last Edited: 2014-04-02 18:53:25
December 28 2013 01:35 GMT
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Lycan

Banehallow was noble-born to the house of Ambry, the greatest of the landed castes in the old kingdom of Slom. Before the Fall, as the King's wants grew strange, and his court grew crowded with sorcerers and charlatans, the house of Ambry was the first to rise against the avarice of the throne. No longer willing to pay homage and fealty, they instead sent six-thousand swords into the capital, where they were wiped out in the Massacre of the Apostates. And then came the teeth behind the old truth: When you strike a king's neck, you had better take his head. Enraged by the betrayal, the king exterminated the vast Ambry bloodline, sparing only the lord of the house and his youngest son, Banehallow. Before all the royal court, with the disgraced lord chained to the ornate marble floor, the King bade his magicians transform the boy into a wolf so that he might tear out his own father's throat. "Do this," the king said, "so that Lord Ambry will understand the bite of betrayal." Powerful magic was invoked, and the child was transformed. But though his body was changed, his spirit remained intact, and instead of biting the exposed neck of his father, he attacked his handlers, tearing them to pieces. A dozen of the King's knights perished under the wolf's teeth before they managed to drive it off into the night. Lord Ambry laughed from his chains even as the King ran him through with a sword. Now the heir to the lost house of Ambry, Banehallow wanders the trail as the Lycan, part warrior, part wolf, in search of justice for all that he lost.

For abilities, stats, and other information, visit this hero's Liquipedia page here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Lycan



+ Show Spoiler [Guide by Kwarkiepoo] +
Newer version
I've been experimenting with some stout shield hatchet openings since the lycan buff that makes rosh easier at lower levels cause of tanking with wolves. There are still some pretty severe mana issues and if you don't get the rosh you can't do much until you fix them but this is what I've been doing.

Starting
Stout Shield
Hatchet

Following
Ring of Protection

then any of these in whatever order it takes to make sure when you suicide you have as little gold as possible although I'm listing them in a loose order of priority
Sage's Mask
Boots
Ring of Regen
Morbid
Receipe
Smoke
Clarity

Summon wolves at -40 seconds. Use them to scout/deny runes. Summon wolves at +5 seconds in fountain. Leave fountain at 10 seconds to go to closest hard. If satyr's/trolls you win, gg game is easy, if birds game is moderate, if bears game is hard, if centaurs then fuck this shit it's hard and I won't get level 2 from doing it. If dire keep rolling hard, medium, medium making sure you hit that hard every minute on the dot. If radiant then hard, medium, hard.

edit: so, wildwings are super hard and don't give you level 2. If you get wildwings take a look at the medium, if wolves then do that because wolves do give you level 2. Honestly it's probably worth looking at the medium first anyway just because you can't clear the hard before the 60 second mark (insanely close with good micro, if you summon wolves at 4 seconds so they die and unblock and back the right way it may be doable but basically no) so you derive no benefit from doing it first over doing it second. Anyway, wolves > wildwings/centaurs in exp and >>> bears in difficulty.

You need to suicide all the time. Mid disappeared? Slash those wrists. Someone got an unknown rune? Life isn't worth living anymore. Offlaner disappeared? Time to write a note. You ought to waste very little gold each time if you have the mental maths to work out how to zero that gold first. Also at 1 and 2 you can buy anything and then sell it when you respawn with no loss if you get the timing right.

You should have your shopping list complete around the 8 minute mark at level 7 or 8 if things have gone well. Down the clarity, smoke up and run into rosh. You need the clarity to make sure you have enough mana to resummon wolves because without the medallion you will have mana issues and if your wolves expire and you have 120 mana you're pretty much fucked and running out of the rosh pit unsmoked when he's on 10% hp and you're near death is literally Hitler. You should go wolves/feral until after rosh imo because you basically can't ult anyway due to the mana issues. If you feel you'll have the mana for it due to a recent suicide then by all means take it but I generally try to skip it until the post rosh level.

Next item is necro 1-3 to solve your mana issues, before even treads. Split push like crazy, avoid teamfights and keep farming as in the OP. I generally follow that with AC if I want to keep taking towers and they don't have mass disables or bkb if I need a teamfight presence because the hard carry is underfarmed. After AC/bkb I pick up a basher/abby if the game goes that late but you should have won by then.

It's worth it to sometimes go back to fountain if you don't die often to top up mana until nec3 simply because your mana regen is sufficient to keep wolves going and sometimes ult but it's not reliable so you can't do whatever you want or ult as much as you like at level 11. I typically choose to farm over doing this and then regret it.

If the first hard is bears you can still do it but it's not as easy so take a look at the medium nearby first, especially if dire. If centaurs you can dodge the stun, basically run in with two wolves, then straight back out, then attack after the stomp. Easier with boots.

If you get many bears/wildwings/centaurs early then you can actually buy items then resell for full gold up to level 3 if you get the timing right so do that to minimise gold loss from suiciding.

AC after treads for split pushing, bkb for teamfighting, basher after whichever you picked.

If your team won't give you space to push a lane and take towers and keep pulling the enemy hero to block you on that lane then switch lanes or go back to the woods. You absolutely cannot afford to stop farming gold and levels by hanging around in a lane missing last hits and sharing exp, you're looking to get nec3 done by 15 on a good run, 20 on a bad run and be level 16 about 20 minutes in at the latest. If they don't give you space to get big then explain to them that they need to, if they still don't then just go wherever there is space.

Regarding the eternal "why boots before rosh" question, things don't always go perfectly in solo queue. Often 10 mins in you don't have a flying courier, or the courier is dead. Often there are no missing calls and no wards near your jungle. Often you have to run back to fountain to play safe because supports won't roll in and support you when their bh goes missing, often you have to suicide more than you ought to because you can't get any items because mid is bottle crowing with a non upgraded donkey. All of these mean more time spent walking, less time spent farming, which amounts to lost gold and exp. You can offset that 450 gold spent against the faster level 7 (needed for rosh) and the additional gold income. Furthermore on a perfect run you will often have the gold for vlads before you get your level 7 which means you have to keep farming anyway and end up getting boots after vlads but before roshing. In that situation you gain no advantage by delaying boots, the limiting factor on your rosh timing was your exp, not your gold, and by getting faster movement while not delaying your jungle camp clearing time (from level 3 onwards any camp is easy) you get the exp you need to rosh faster and get more gold. Maybe pros can justify not getting it, I strongly disagree for solo queue.

When pushing towers feel free to just leave minions attacking them while you ult the fuck out, as long as you're wearing them down that's fine. A lot of the time when I split push and take rax the rax themselves are taken by minions as 4 of the enemy team who TPed back try and run me down. As with the rest of the build, the priority is that you just don't die. You have huge minion damage output, particularly with howl, and your ult gives the minions max move speed. You can exploit this to gank structures quickly. Against towers when they attack a wolf pull that wolf back immediately. It'll take one hit before you notice but it can survive three if you pull it back so the delay gives it healing time. Once it's out of tower sight range the invis kicks in and two more following shots from the tower will be wasted while the wolf will be back to full hp.
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Okay, first, my qualifications.
http://dotabuff.com/players/12807161

625 games as Lycan, 62% winrate, 4600 MRR and rising fast.

Now, as the name suggests in broken Russian this is a jungle Lycan guide. If you want to lane Lycan then that's just not dog in tree so you're in the wrong topic. The reason you pick Lycan is because he's an incredibly fun pubstomp hero that is actually pretty autonomous. I only solo queue because I hate having to interact with the droolers that play this game, dota is a rage filled experience and I like to keep it impersonal to limit my anger towards them and theirs towards me. The beauty of solo queue Lycan is that if you do your job correctly in the early game and they don't feed too hard you can basically just win the game solo. You just get completely out of control without the enemy team actually having to feed you, they need to actively deal with the Lycan threat to prevent it which takes planning, co-ordination and knowing wtf is going on. If they're just doing their own thing then suddenly they'll hear Rosh die 12 minutes in and it'll be too late because you're an avalanche gaining momentum. There's only so much your team can do to lose it in the first 12 minutes so most games you'll come out in great shape and then win it which is a good feeling. It's as close to single player dota you can get, you're by yourself jungling and then you're by yourself split pushing and if you do your job correctly then you don't really rely on anyone else to not be a retard. There's very few "wtf were you thinking why would you do that?" moments because you just don't give a shit what they do because whatever it is they decide to do you're still gonna turn into a wolf and eat some dude. You'll still sometimes lose games and it'll still be their fault but you'll have the safe knowledge that every game you won was entirely down to you and that a lot of those would otherwise have been lost if the game had been in any way dependent upon the competence of your allies. By picking Lycan you remove them from the equation, if you win the team wins.


Instapick Lycan and call jungle. If you want to be really pro have it be your name, that way people know and will instantly cede you the jungle because you called it before they even loaded. If they don't let you jungle then feed or something, it's actually not happened in like 30 games or so for me, generally people are fine if you call it first at my level.

Starting
Ring of Basilius
Wolves at level 1

Sit in fountain until 0 seconds.

At 0 summon wolves. The reason you do this is for the free mana regen, mana is very tight as lycan and you need all you can get. You should be able to get to the easy camp as it spawns (don't let your wolves block it, they're faster than you). Open with the easy (I'll address warded camps later). Do the easy, if you need to switch them off a low wolf then move it back for a half second then attack move it onto yourself. Spread damage between the wolves so they're both very low as the camp finishes. If you fuck up and lose wolves and won't finish it before the respawn then summon more, you must finish it before the respawn. After the first or second kill you can call the courier with a hatchet. You can generally get courier access in the first minute and the hatchet helps a lot.

Do the respawned easy with new wolves, that'll get you your level 2. Put it in your passive.

Then go do a medium camp, your resummoned wolves from easy2 will have wiped out your mana but it should get back to 145 about 1:40 which means if you mess up the micro on the medium1 then you can resummon although it'll zero your mana which means no more wolves for tanking/damage so no more jungling. You ought to be able to do any medium, if centaurs then group up your wolves, right click all 3 of you on it, dart back to dodge the stomp and then kill the small one first, then the larger.

That'll take you to 2 minutes and easy3. Easy 3 will get you up to 450 gold and you'll be out of mana by then. Make a judgement call based on your hp and that of your wolves (depends on what camps you've got), either buy boots and suicide to the nearest camp or do half the nearest camp, buy boots and anything else you can afford and suicide.

Respawn at fountain (about 2:30 now) with level 3 and boots. Sell any other items you could afford before you died. Insta summon level 2 wolves, your mana will regen as you run back out and you're wearing boots now which will help a fuckload. You can take a look at the hard as you go (your support will appreciate you leaving him the pull if you can), if it's not bears you can do it. Feel free to let your wolves tank a lot, you're on full mana from the fountain and can easily resummon. You want to do the hard and a medium (although you can do whatever really) to grab gold for a sages mask.

The sages mask is pretty huge because that's what gets you wolf stable. Until now we've been relying on the mana from the fountain and a free set of starting wolves from the fountain to get by but with the sages mask you should be able to resummon every time they expire. You still have to babysit them, micro is really important, but you don't have downtime between farming waiting on mana and you can use them to tank a lot which they can do well when you get wolves to 3. Keep farming.

Your item order is this.
- Basilius
- Hatchet
- Boots
- Sage's
- Ring of Regen
- Mask
- Vlads
- Medallion + smoke
- Treads

In some cases you can justify skipping ult at 6 and waiting until 8 (if you aren't gonna 4 wolves at 7 then it's not worth waiting the ult, ult is either 6 or 8). Mana is always going to be really tight and generally even if you have the ult you can't use it. With that in mind it's important to recognise that you cannot help on lane. You must not get involved (very few exceptions, you'll pick them up). Your wolves and yourself will always be very low, you have no real way of actually engaging shit, you carry no regen items or tanking items and you can't afford the mana costs of using your ult and resummoning wolves. All you can do on lane is feed, if they ping you, if they flame you, if they rage at you,. just ignore it. You know better, it won't do anything but fuel them if you try and help and die. Once you get medallion assess the situation. It ought to be around the 9-10 minute mark, either go straight for rosh if it's convenient and secure or farm for treads and more levels and do it nearer 12. At this point you should also be able to help on lane.

Your level order ought to be
- Wolves
- Feral
- Wolves
- Feral
- Wolves
- Ult (if you are totally safe then maybe Feral but honestly more often than not I wish I'd gotten ult when I go Feral here)
- Wolves

If your team is teamfighting a lot, if you have a Broodmother, if you have a Crystal Maiden or a Nature's Prophet or if you're feeling mana rich then they will love you for leveling howl. Howl both gets more powerful per level and gets a shorter cooldown which means you can stop saving it for teamfights and start using it whenever anyone is clearing creep waves, pushing towers or generally doing less damage than they'd like. One thing to keep in mind though is that you're still tight on mana, especially if you lose wolves, so spamming howl every time it's off cooldown is generally reserved for games with Crystal Maiden or when you start going towards necro.

Otherwise 4ing Feral and then going Howl 10, 12-14 is fine too.

Roshing is easy enough, especially if you have treads. Micro back wolves/yourself and keep medallion on him. You may lose wolves to chained stuns so if you have treads you can toggle them to get mana for new wolves as needed.

After rosh

Post rosh you should be level 11 or 12 and it should be at most 13 mins into the game. Start pushing towers and buying your next big item. Four choices here imo which I'll get to. You're still in bear mode and should be trying to find gaps rather than go for the teamfights because teamfights involve a lot of shadow boxing before they start which is downtime you can't afford. Find a lane with a bunch of creeps, push it to the tower, start killing the tower with wolves + howl and if contested by something you can't deal with ult and gtfo. Toggling boots for mana to ult helps here too. Once you gtfo go jungle, grab more gold and levels and either go back to the lane a minute later or pick another. Make sure your ulti is back up by the time you get to the tower again, at 11 it should be. If one guy TPs in or you catch people alone feel free to howl, medallion them and eat them. Supports don't tend to realise than being level 7 isn't going to cut it against a level 13 lycan and you can often kill one and leave before they know wtf is going on. It's not worth risking dying for though, the main thing is that you keep farming. Unlike most heroes early you can wander into any neutral camp and clear it in seconds without any hp or mana, in fact it regens your hp, and can move quickly through the jungle. You will be accelerating away from the rest of the pack and any death is time they can catch up with, if two TP in to the tower and you ult back to the jungle then that's an EXP and gold win for your team and space created elsewhere. Save aegis for the teamfights, if you get caught on lane then it's because they have enough to kill you and given that you're three clear levels above the highest on their team that means they're all there, aegis respawning you without ulti won't help unless it's a teamfight and the enemy can't just chain stun you as you respawn.

4th item

Regarding items it's somewhat situational after treads between the following 4.
- Necro 3 (good for midgame pushes, good for howl spamming (so if troll warlord/brood/furion/midgame pushes to end) and good for mana issues (invoker, KOTL, AM, PL) and good for invis (mirana/bh/anyone with shadow blades). Going straight for necro 3 is a legit choice following treads although it's less "fuck off in your face imma wolf" and more split push ganky supporty.
- BKB. If you're trying to teamfight early and they have big disable heroes in teamfights then a quick bkb will get you the rax you need. That 10s is huge early game. If they have shit like Earthshaker and a bunch of really hard carries then grab a BKB, push down mid and initiate teamfights with no fucks given. By the time bkb is down to 4s they'll have no rax left. Otherwise I often like saving bkb for later, it depends on the game flow and what you're fighting. I don't like it early for split pushing because you end up wasting charges and then don't have it for later when you need it, there are other better items. You ought to get a bkb in most games but definitely not always after treads.
- Basher. Good for damage/killing towers/ganking heroes/stopping tps/making people call you lucky. Legitimate choice if you're just testing towers, still farming a lot or if you want to build a quick abyssal because abyssal is hilarious.
- AC. I like AC as the next big item situationally. If your team has a lot of physical damage but nobody is anywhere near as rich as you then AC is a crazy strong multiplier and you can get it really early with good farm, like 17 minutes kinda early. Basically you take advantage of just how rich you are from slaughtering lanes, last hitting towers and jungling like crazy to buy the big item the team wants but can't afford. Lycan should always have an AC near, either being held by him or another, it gives his summons and the entire team +10 armour (5 from vlads, 5 from AC) and helps you knock down towers or heroes really quickly. It's my split push item of choice if I don't need a necro or a bkb.

Thoughts about the midgame

You shouldn't actually be getting many kills in this phase tbh. You should be wherever the action isn't because you can wreck shit up like no other hero (literally no other hero is as crazy destructive to buildings as lycan) and you can draw heroes to stop you and if there are too few you can just gank them then run. As long as you keep the farm going, the towers falling and the items being bought you're good. If they 5 man it up have your team try to avoid feeding and just play defensive, buying time/farming and holding high while you go kill rax. What you want to be able to do is TP in at the last second, turn into a giant wolf and bkb their entire team out of nowhere. If you picture what an AM does at 50 minutes, that's you at 25, but you should try and avoid having to do that because the longer you put it off for the more destructive it gets. The nightmare scenario for you is that you're doing your split push perfectly but one of your team gets caught out and the other 3 pile into 5 of them without you and all feed, if they can avoid that then you should be good. If you don't think that can be avoided then get them to follow you in and just teamfight because you're a lycan and you just find their most critical hero and eat him.

Other

6 slotted late game you typically want to end up something like abyssal, bkb, AC, treads, vlads and either aegis or heart. If you have gold to spare at this point buy new bkbs. In fact buy a new bkb before you get heart imo. If you went necro3 then you shouldn't be in the late game because you already won.


If they have a cloaky offlaner pray for a good safelane support hero. Sentry wards on lane and missing calls make your life so much easier. Sometimes a bounty hunter will just make his life about dicking you over and you kinda have to accept that he will trade no farm with you. As long as he's not getting levels you just keep going back to fountain or suiciding to creeps more than you normally would, keep that hp high and if he goes for you just manfight him til he runs. Just remember that you're giving space to the safelane carry through your sacrifice.

If the easy camp is warded then do the following order. Find a medium camp with golems/wolves/ogres. Use your first wolves to take all the damage and die because they're expiring anyway. You won't be able to clear it before the respawn so just summon second wolves, finish it off and go check out the other med camp. You'll still be level 1 which sucks but you can summon new wolves after 30 seconds more so the second med camp should be doable, even if you lose wolves to do it. If you can't get 450 gold by the time you're low and out of mana (after the third summon including the first at the fountain) then 325 and sage's mask will do. As long as you're not standing around waiting on regen you're fine. It's somewhat down to the luck of the draw in terms of medium camp spawns but if you dodge the centaur stomp it's not too bad and satyrs/trolls in the hard camp are easily doable too. When doing trolls kill the big one first to avoid the skeletons until you have vlads cause they kill low hp wolves very quickly.




Any other questions, ask below.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 01:39 GMT
#2
Halberd is good in place of basher when evasion matters, MKB is good when they've got evade too. AC first is funny when they have a LC because people try and manfight Lycan and if you're not ursa you can't do it so LC just feeds you damage with his ulti and gets baffled by the fact that actually you can take him on.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 01:40 GMT
#3
Also don't try to rosh with smoke if they have bloodseeker, a competent TA or a competent beastmaster. Wait until it's clear or bring a friend.
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 01:58:10
December 28 2013 01:56 GMT
#4
no pics? just kidding, really detailed guide

well done
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 28 2013 02:05 GMT
#5
My personal Cheese Lycan (Splitpush / Push) build is this

I have a very similar start as with you, but I rush Vlads first and then I get brown boots. I will start working on Necro 1.

If the offlaners have rotated and I am level 6, I will quickly try to take down the tier one and tier two. After I get my Necrobook I will rarely every jungle again and concentrate on splitpushing.

When attacking a tower I focus on getting as much damage done as possible, and then as soon as an enemy arrives I activate ulti and run away, leaving any summons I have damaging the tower. Lycan can easily take down a tower even if there are one or two supports there. If I am raxing I man up as I will happily trade my life for a rax.

After I get necro three I get BoT, which is core for the splitpush lycan as it allows you to threaten multiple lanes as well as escape quickly. It also allows me to fake a splitpush, and instead tp to my team and push with the team.

The single target damage output of howl + wolves + necro three is immense and can easily solo kill supports. However any time spent attacking supports is time not pushing down towers


6 Slotted for me is
Vlads, BoT, Necro 3, AC, Deso, BKB

I also should note that lycan lane should not be underestimated as with his wolves he brings a lot of single target damage. If you bring more defensive supports with a good slow (IE venomancer) you can get an easy first blood
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 02:31 GMT
#6
Renamed for Yango, hopefully it'll be acceptable as a discussion topic.

Desol is major noob tier item for lycan. Your slots are insanely valuable and desol doesn't give much, anyone can carry it and usually someone else will. You can't afford to waste slots on that kinda item which is just a utility support armour debuff. Desol is nice midgame but you're gonna sell it for something you actually want like abyssal, AC or heart late game. Even sheepstick is better. Lycan is gold rich, you don't need to settle midgame, go for the big stuff straight off the bat.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 02:35:08
December 28 2013 02:33 GMT
#7
Sweet guide!
I havnt touched lycan since the big nerf, I think its time to try him again.
whoa this thread looks so ugly on my subscribed threads list
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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
December 28 2013 02:59 GMT
#8
Honestly Lycan has always been on my list of heroes that, if I random them, I'm almost definitely going to repick. This changes that, and makes me actually wanna try this.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 03:30 GMT
#9
If you're gonna do it practice the jungle with bots a half dozen times before you go into a game to get the feeling of the timings. First four levels should be in the first four minutes with ease, if you don't have vlads at 8 mins you're doing it wrong.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 28 2013 03:45 GMT
#10
yeah I always fuck up the early jungle and its just so important to your momentum that you be perfect I just stopped picking him.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
December 28 2013 04:39 GMT
#11
This is totally legit, gonna use this : D ty
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Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 28 2013 07:07 GMT
#12
Curious about two things.

1) Why basilius over stout shield and hatchet.

2) Why no tangos with the 125 gold.

Are the tangos totally pointless with the suicide, feels like they'd come in handy after the suicide portion but before you get lifesteal.
Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
December 28 2013 07:48 GMT
#13
good tip about a-clicking yourself with your wolves when you pull them off, I knew you could drop aggro from things other than towers that way but I never made the connection in my head to that being my problem when my wolves go back in and just get gibbed lol. That's honestly been one of my worst problems with jungle Lycan since he stopped being fucking beastmode jungler, and now I just feel retarded. Will actually try this now - I might like Lycan more than I thought. I've only really ever played him when I random him lol - I can't think of a time in my life where I've actually picked Lycan.

Maybe it's just because when I first started to actually get decent at Dota he was the most fucking imba hero in the game... and I always hated the idea of picking him ^^
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 28 2013 09:03 GMT
#14
On December 28 2013 16:07 Russano wrote:
Curious about two things.

1) Why basilius over stout shield and hatchet.

2) Why no tangos with the 125 gold.

Are the tangos totally pointless with the suicide, feels like they'd come in handy after the suicide portion but before you get lifesteal.


Basilius gives your summons armor aura so they can tank more
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
December 28 2013 09:04 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler [Some Math Supporting Necro3] +
lycan bat 1.5 (ult) base str 22 level 11 str +30.25 base agl 16 lvl 20.9
lycan wolf bat 1.1 damage 43
lycan passive 30% damage 30 as
lycan howl 50 to hero 16 to unit
vlads 15% damage
alpha wolf creep bat 1.35 damage 30 aura damage 30%
necrowarrior bat 0.75 damage 75 manaburn 45
necroarcher bat 1.0 damage 120 aura as 9%

lycan vlads treads necro3 str 24 as 30 (5200 + 1400 + 2050 = 8650 gold)
damage = 84.25(base + lvl str + treads) + 84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads))+50(howl) = 172.16
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 172.16(1+1.059)/1.5 = 235

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads)) + 16(howl) = 78.35
as lycan wolf = 30(passive) + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 78.35(1.30)/1.1 = 92*2 (99*2 with necroarcher aura)

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)) + 16(howl) + 45(manaburn) = 169.75
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 167.75(1.39)/0.75 = 314

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads) + 16(howl) = 190
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 190(1.39)/1 = 264

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher) = 1011


lycan vlads treads dominator necro3 (10500 gold)
damage = 84.25(str)+84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha))+50(howl) +20(helm) = 217.44
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 217.44(1+1.059)/1.5 = 298

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads) +.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 91.25
as lycan wolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 91.25(1.39)/1.1 = 115*2

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3) + 16(howl) + 45(mburn) = 192.25
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 192.25(1.39)/0.75 = 356

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 226
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 226(1.39)/1 = 314

damage alphawolf = 30 + 30*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 68.5
as alphawolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps alphawolf = 68.5(1.39)/1.35 = 70

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher + alphawolf) = 1268


lycan vlads treads bkb ac abyssal (2050 + 1400 + 3900 + 5350 + 6750 = 19450 gold)
str 22 + 30.25 + 28 damage 124 + 30% as 85 agl 36.9
damage = 80.25(total str) + 80.25*.3(vlads) + 124(bkb+abys) + 50(howl) = 278.32
as = 36.9(base+lvl agl) + 30(treads) + 55(ac) + 30(passive) = 151.9
dps = 278.32(1+1.519)/1.5 = 467

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads)) + 16(howl) = 78.35
as lycan wolf = 30(passive) + 20(ac) = 50
dps lycan wolf = 78.35(1.50)/1.1 = 106*2

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves) = 679


lycan vlads treads dominator necro3 (10500 gold) NO HOWL
damage = 84.25(str)+84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha))+20(helm) = 167.44
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 167.44(1+1.059)/1.5 = 229

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads) +.3(alpha)) + = 75.25
as lycan wolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 75.25(1.39)/1.1 = 95*2

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3) + 45(mburn) = 176.25
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 176.25(1.39)/0.75 = 326

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) = 210
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 210(1.39)/1 = 291

damage alphawolf = 30 + 30*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) = 52.5
as alphawolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps alphawolf = 52.5(1.39)/1.35 = 54

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher + alphawolf) = 1090

Little messy, and I did it a long time ago, but it should still be valid. Long story short: Necro3 is amazing on Lycan, even after the Howl duration runs out. The math includes the option for going Dominator after and bringing an Alpha Wolf, but I'm not necessarily calling it a serious choice (though maybe it could be!).
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
December 28 2013 09:25 GMT
#16
I can verify that Kwark plays nothing except dog in tree and thus this guide is actually legit.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
December 28 2013 10:04 GMT
#17
what do you do if they ward your jungle and your supp doesn't have sentrys?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 11:09 GMT
#18
On December 28 2013 16:07 Russano wrote:
Curious about two things.

1) Why basilius over stout shield and hatchet.

2) Why no tangos with the 125 gold.

Are the tangos totally pointless with the suicide, feels like they'd come in handy after the suicide portion but before you get lifesteal.

Because of the armour for your wolves and the mana regen.

Because you're limited by mana far more than hp, you have to suicide at 450 gold anyway, that suicide is hugely important in terms of getting the mana you need. From then on you should be fine to go straight for sages then vlads.

Micro better and you'll be fine. Fountain > tangos cause mana. Mana = wolves tanking for you = hp anyway.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 11:18:44
December 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#19
On December 28 2013 18:04 Nightmarjoo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Some Math Supporting Necro3] +
lycan bat 1.5 (ult) base str 22 level 11 str +30.25 base agl 16 lvl 20.9
lycan wolf bat 1.1 damage 43
lycan passive 30% damage 30 as
lycan howl 50 to hero 16 to unit
vlads 15% damage
alpha wolf creep bat 1.35 damage 30 aura damage 30%
necrowarrior bat 0.75 damage 75 manaburn 45
necroarcher bat 1.0 damage 120 aura as 9%

lycan vlads treads necro3 str 24 as 30 (5200 + 1400 + 2050 = 8650 gold)
damage = 84.25(base + lvl str + treads) + 84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads))+50(howl) = 172.16
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 172.16(1+1.059)/1.5 = 235

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads)) + 16(howl) = 78.35
as lycan wolf = 30(passive) + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 78.35(1.30)/1.1 = 92*2 (99*2 with necroarcher aura)

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)) + 16(howl) + 45(manaburn) = 169.75
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 167.75(1.39)/0.75 = 314

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads) + 16(howl) = 190
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 190(1.39)/1 = 264

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher) = 1011


lycan vlads treads dominator necro3 (10500 gold)
damage = 84.25(str)+84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha))+50(howl) +20(helm) = 217.44
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 217.44(1+1.059)/1.5 = 298

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads) +.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 91.25
as lycan wolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 91.25(1.39)/1.1 = 115*2

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3) + 16(howl) + 45(mburn) = 192.25
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 192.25(1.39)/0.75 = 356

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 226
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 226(1.39)/1 = 314

damage alphawolf = 30 + 30*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) + 16(howl) = 68.5
as alphawolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps alphawolf = 68.5(1.39)/1.35 = 70

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher + alphawolf) = 1268


lycan vlads treads bkb ac abyssal (2050 + 1400 + 3900 + 5350 + 6750 = 19450 gold)
str 22 + 30.25 + 28 damage 124 + 30% as 85 agl 36.9
damage = 80.25(total str) + 80.25*.3(vlads) + 124(bkb+abys) + 50(howl) = 278.32
as = 36.9(base+lvl agl) + 30(treads) + 55(ac) + 30(passive) = 151.9
dps = 278.32(1+1.519)/1.5 = 467

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads)) + 16(howl) = 78.35
as lycan wolf = 30(passive) + 20(ac) = 50
dps lycan wolf = 78.35(1.50)/1.1 = 106*2

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves) = 679


lycan vlads treads dominator necro3 (10500 gold) NO HOWL
damage = 84.25(str)+84.25(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha))+20(helm) = 167.44
as = 36.9(base + lvl agl) + 9(necroarcher) + 30(treads) + 30(passive) = 105.9
dps = 167.44(1+1.059)/1.5 = 229

damage lycan wolf = 43 + 43*(.3(passive) + .15(vlads) +.3(alpha)) + = 75.25
as lycan wolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps lycan wolf = 75.25(1.39)/1.1 = 95*2

damage necrowarrior = 75 + 75*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3) + 45(mburn) = 176.25
as necrowarrior = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necrowarrior = 176.25(1.39)/0.75 = 326

damage necroarcher = 120 + 120*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) = 210
as necroarcher = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps necroarcher = 210(1.39)/1 = 291

damage alphawolf = 30 + 30*(.3(passive)+.15(vlads)+.3(alpha)) = 52.5
as alphawolf = 30(passive + 9(necroarcher) = 39
dps alphawolf = 52.5(1.39)/1.35 = 54

total dps (lycan + 2 lycan wolves + necrowarrior + necroarcher + alphawolf) = 1090

Little messy, and I did it a long time ago, but it should still be valid. Long story short: Necro3 is amazing on Lycan, even after the Howl duration runs out. The math includes the option for going Dominator after and bringing an Alpha Wolf, but I'm not necessarily calling it a serious choice (though maybe it could be!).

Dominator is a troll choice. You don't have time or slots for that, you barely have it for necro which is still situationally inferior to bkb and basher as initiation and teamfight choices and abyssal/AC/heart because once you have basher and bkb you might as well just win the game by eating people.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
December 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#20
On December 28 2013 19:04 idonthinksobro wrote:
what do you do if they ward your jungle and your supp doesn't have sentrys?

Take mediums/hards, be careful, play safe as anything whenever they go missing. It's doable, easier for dire than radiant though.
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