EPTStart with Iron Talon and tangoes?
[Hero] Lycan - Page 26
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VandenPlause
United States37 Posts
Start with Iron Talon and tangoes? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 05 2016 21:17 Laurens wrote: A good Lycan jungle takes a solo rosh before 8 mins and then your 3 T1s with Aegis. Not sure which junglers you face that are afk 20 min. In what universe you are 4k+ and people let lycan farm woods safe 8 min AND in the same time not lose 4v5 on the entire map. I dont know about you i have fairly good knowledge of the hero and stopped playing him woods almost 2 years ago because as soon as people understood that if you are lycan woods they can abuse the shit out of you and your weak team composition first 10 min before you go and get rosh and take towers. I dont care how good a pusher you are if vs you there are 2 good supports or one roamer and one support you look at fed Mid and Fed safelaner and probably in great shape Offlaner IF they decide not to touch you.To back my words up there is one game from my recent memory standard ranked MMR game avg 4500 mmr http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2023097048 lycan went woods made items but we abused all his lanes non stop. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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ChunderBoy
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prolly coz invoker/sylla and other stuff are picked in every game u only jungle if ur lane is bad and u have to retreat to jungle and only then do u get an iron talon | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
On January 06 2016 00:03 SatsuinoHado wrote: In what universe you are 4k+ and people let lycan farm woods safe 8 min AND in the same time not lose 4v5 on the entire map. I dont know about you i have fairly good knowledge of the hero and stopped playing him woods almost 2 years ago because as soon as people understood that if you are lycan woods they can abuse the shit out of you and your weak team composition first 10 min before you go and get rosh and take towers. I dont care how good a pusher you are if vs you there are 2 good supports or one roamer and one support you look at fed Mid and Fed safelaner and probably in great shape Offlaner IF they decide not to touch you.To back my words up there is one game from my recent memory standard ranked MMR game avg 4500 mmr http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2023097048 lycan went woods made items but we abused all his lanes non stop. I got from 3600 to 4800 solo mmr with jungle lycan. Exclusively jungle lycan. It was a smurf a-z account, hence the low starting mmr. dotabuff: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/122917966 200+ games, 75%+ winrate. It works. As with all things, you need practice to get good at it. You can't just walk into the jungle one day and expect to instantly be good at it. In response to your general point, either the enemy dedicates 1 person to stopping/slowing your jungle, at which point the lanes are 4v4 and the issue is resolved. Or they don't do this and I become unstoppable, at the cost of having a somewhat weaker carry. The bane of my strategy were BH following me in the jungle, or aggressive trilanes (VERY aggressive trilanes, following me to the closest camps). But aggressive tri in solo q almost never happened so it's w/e. Various other players had similar success, read the initial 20 pages of this thread to find out, it was initially a thread about jungle Lycan (Kwark's build, as I call it). Pay attention to MIcrosoft's post in particular, he did this at 5200+ solo MMR, with no problems. e: the keyword here really is SOLO queue. Whenever I play team and I expect to face a 5stack, it's lane. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 06 2016 01:15 Laurens wrote: I got from 3600 to 4800 solo mmr with jungle lycan. Exclusively jungle lycan. It was a smurf a-z account, hence the low starting mmr. dotabuff: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/122917966 200+ games, 75%+ winrate. It works. As with all things, you need practice to get good at it. You can't just walk into the jungle one day and expect to instantly be good at it. In response to your general point, either the enemy dedicates 1 person to stopping/slowing your jungle, at which point the lanes are 4v4 and the issue is resolved. Or they don't do this and I become unstoppable, at the cost of having a somewhat weaker carry. The bane of my strategy were BH following me in the jungle, or aggressive trilanes (VERY aggressive trilanes, following me to the closest camps). But aggressive tri in solo q almost never happened so it's w/e. Various other players had similar success, read the initial 20 pages of this thread to find out, it was initially a thread about jungle Lycan (Kwark's build, as I call it). Pay attention to MIcrosoft's post in particular, he did this at 5200+ solo MMR, with no problems. e: the keyword here really is SOLO queue. Whenever I play team and I expect to face a 5stack, it's lane. Are you for real? Quoting build from 8! months dude the Map is different the meta is different i cant stress enough how many holes in your explanation you have. One IF they dedicate a hero to stop you from jungling they WILL do so with a hero that can kill and/or make your life unreal and your timings will go twice at least. Two im 80% winrate top 30 Lycan from VARIOUS patches hence I think adapting to strategy is needed if you want to succeed with a hero.Three as ChunderBoy explained the only time you go woods now days is if your lane is really bad and we talk about people who know you are lycan and you are woods not semi trowing 5-6 games. Four giving example with person 20 pages behind is AGAIN 3-4 patches ago on different map. But at the end people like to AFK jungle and think the team sucks and Reddit and other forums are FULL of people complaining of afk junglers so who am I to judge do whatever you like. But i promise you if I meet you in ranked you wont farm your timings with lycan and you most probably be getting -25 mmr! | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
two: your winrate with the hero is irrelevant for the topic at hand (my build). Not to mention you don't even have half my games and play at lower MMR but w/e, like I said it's completely irrelevant. three: Beesa would have said the exact same thing 2 years ago, does not change the fact that it works like a charm in solo queue. 2K below Beesa's MMR, of course. Why don't you go in solo queue right now, pick jungle lycan, buy quelling, stout, tangos, and give it a go? Arguing here is so pointless. | ||
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 06 2016 02:20 Laurens wrote: one: doesn't happen in solo queue two: your winrate with the hero is irrelevant for the topic at hand (my build). Not to mention you don't even have half my games and play at lower MMR but w/e, like I said it's completely irrelevant. three: Beesa would have said the exact same thing 2 years ago, does not change the fact that it works like a charm in solo queue. 2K below Beesa's MMR, of course. Why don't you go in solo queue right now, pick jungle lycan, buy quelling, stout, tangos, and give it a go? Arguing here is so pointless. So I should try strategy that is not for solo queue in solo queue. Whatever man I wont explain myself anymore. Whoever do whatever. | ||
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VandenPlause
United States37 Posts
Since I'm not 5k, jungle Lycan sounds worth giving a spin. However, is Iron Talon/tangoes a good start if I can expect to be left to afk jungle in the low 2k bracket? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4553 Posts
 Do read Kwark's post in the spoiler of the OP, it was quite funny.And yeah try Talon. I totally missed the Chop active when I read it earlier, that sounds pretty amazing xD | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Imo if you called jungle early, I'd place the blame more on the shit safelane pick and support, then your decision to jungle. Of course we're ignoring the cases of bounty to counter your jungle. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
I'm not entirely convinced jungle lycan is any better than the previous couple patches. | ||
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