EPT[Hero] Lycan - Page 27
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
Lvl 5 requires 1400 exp so get 7 of these camps and you have it. There's definitely a small luck factor with jungling. | ||
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
I'll see if I have time to make a new vid this weekend. Iron talon must've made the timings even quicker. Though as said above, there's an element of luck in the jungle, so no the pre-8 min timing is not "consistent". edit: and page 13 has a 7:20 kill including smoke and a point in ulti instead of the riskier (but better) 4 0 3 0 | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 08 2016 19:38 Kaj wrote: And whoever mentioned that vlads and solo roshan before 8 mins with lycan is clearly on cracks. The fastest vlads timing u can get from the jungle going just iron talon is before 7 mins. Even with vlads it takes a good 1 1/2 min at least to kill roshan. If you can get roshan. I would love to see a replay where you can consistently get roshan + vlads within 8 mins, because that is simply impossible. Dude just dont! The person who did this treat made it to show a jungle in the most optimal way, then the Mods made it Lycan treat. The same person is the one I tried to explain that the jungle thing is more over than the Reign of Troll/Sniper meta but he insist im too low mmr or that its team effort strat that is for solo Queue or whatever you like to pull of just to sound that you are not losing ground based on 1 year old strategy. Just save your time leave people to play jungle Lycan and feed mmr and whine that the team is stupid and stuff like that. I haven't lost to Lycan woods for 1 year now and watching Icefrog's approach this wont change any time soon... | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
Got Vlad and lvl 7 at 6:30 sharp: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DWNWax9.jpg) Rosh dead at 8:12: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AuOXfMy.jpg) It was a pretty bad jungle tbh. lvl 1 hard camp was Centaurs. the 2:00 hard spawn was Ursas. And as you can see in screenshot 1 I was 1 creep short from getting lvl 7 without having to go all the way to the ez camp. Too bad. This time can still be improved by a ton with luck and practice. Iron Talon is amazing. You can kill the 0:30 hard camp in time to also kill the 1:00 respawn now. That's an incredible buff to his jungle potential. Previously you had to kite the camp at 0:53 if you wanted to stack it, which meant extra hits on your units and it was generally pretty shit. 20% decrease in jungle bounty Afaik this only applies to 3 jungle creeps: Big Satyr (104 -> 84), Small Hellbear (65 -> 50, but also 200 less HP so it balances out), and frost ogre (52 -> 40). All the other creeps are unaffected? countless buffs they gave roshan What? All I can find is the recent armor buff. There is also: 6.84b: Increased armor bonus per 8 minutes from 1 to 1.4. But this is pretty irrelevant since we kill him before 8 mins anyway  Before that I have to go back to 6.81 already. Fyi, Rosh can be killed in less than 1 minute. Idk why you say 1:30 lol. Do you let your wolves die? Do you even play Lycan? I'd love to see your Dotabuff to confirm that you actally have experience with the hero, some of your claims are pretty weird for someone who would play Lycan. but he insist im too low mmr or that its team effort strat that is for solo Queue or whatever you like to pull of just to sound that you are not losing ground based on 1 year old strategy. That's not what I said at all... Go reread. | ||
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VandenPlause
United States37 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Of course lane would be better, but greed works sometimes too. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
im worried about having only 1 support or roamer on team u can easily start off in safelane and then disappear to jungle at lvl 3 or w.e if 1) u think giving ur supports xp is better than just farming in safelane 2) lane is too hard and u need to farm elsewhere but starting out in jungle ur team will pick another carry and only 1 support 1 support rly isnt enough in todays meta where 1 support is always required to roam primarily between mid and top OR bot depending on which part of the map needs more help and wut ur other support is capable of something i learned back when bloodseeker was meta was that first picking bloodseeker and telling ur teammates to last pick a carry turned out way better drafting-wise coz all the enemies expect a first pick bloodseeker to be safelaning and hence less stuff to mess with him in the jungle are picked. so if they cant mess with u in jungle u jungle... if they pick stuff to mess with u then u just safelane and tell other person in team to not pick carry and go support edit: also lycan has the ability to kill almost anyone as soon as he hits 6 its more cumbersome to do from the jungle also early roshes dont matter coz they dont give u worthwhile objectives like every t2 or t3s. so taking a rosh before it allows u to do those is pretty not good | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
What I did was instantly hover over Lycan and click jungle, communicating to my team that I will play Lycan jungle whether they like it or not (usually they don't), and then wait with actually picking him until the very last second. It prevents too many hardcounters. If it's looking like the jungle will be impossible or your team is throwing a major temper tantrum, you can still pick a support instead. The early rosh is just to minimize the time in the game that you are 'useless' or off the map. If you get Rosh at 8 mins, your team only has to survive 4v5 for 8 minutes. It usually allowed me to take at least 2 towers and a good teamfight with aegis too. For some reason they always underestime the power of a lvl 9 Lycan at 8 minutes. Supports die in 3 hits lol. The next Rosh at ~18 mins can give you one of those worthwhile objectives you talk about. You should give it a try on one of your accounts Beesa, i'd like to see the results in higher mmr zones  For me it worked up to ~4.8k solo without issues. I assume in higher MMR zones the supports become much more active and this strategy will suffer. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 11 2016 21:24 Acritter wrote: Seeing how Iron Talon has been getting pretty core in offlane builds lately, I have to wonder how long it'll be until we see an offlane Lycan. Probably gonna show up as some kind of pocket draft eventually: Lycan offlane->jungle with the other cores being playmakers and lane flash farmers with a moderate ricing 4 position and a sacrificial 5 position, or something like that. Forces supports to commit extra attention to safelane so that the Lycan doesn't get crazy, grants a strong midgame with four adequately farmed heroes, and after that point you have a Lycan. I see the logic but lycan needs levels ASAP and in the offlane in now days meta I cant see him doing that. He has avg ms and no escape or tank skills before 6 ofc. The good thing is if you run 2-1-2 you have a shot if you are not vs offensive 3 lane. But hey 1 year ago people were skeptical at offlane Slardar so who know what can be made to work  | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
In theory Lycan could work like a Nature's Prophet offlane (be annoying with wolves early then go to jungle), but I think without the teleport it doesn't really work correctly. NP works well offlane because he can teleport back easily if the enemy safelane goes to push the lane, but lycan can't do that as well. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
I am also not seeing how putting Lycan there would somehow force supports to commit extra attention to the lane. It doesn't seem to me that Lycan is all that threatening. He can be zoned out or killed with relative ease at lvl 1 and when he falls behind he isn't that annoying even if the supports leave. And if Lycan just leaves the offlane and straight up jungles then I would hardly call it an offlane Lycan. Having a Lycan jungle from quite early on is something we will probably see if the hero gains popularity. He farms the jungle pretty efficiently and if the game is somewhat slow then having a support farm the lane and putting Lycan to the woods is the most efficient way to go about things. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
i haven't seen too much lycan this patch, but i think i'd rather have NP as the game progresses, again, due to the fact that he can be anywhere at a given time. | ||
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