EPT[Hero] Lycan - Page 24
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phantomlancer23
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
On the whole I expected harder nerfs and I'll happily abuse some more Lycan until after TI4 woot. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 26 2014 16:57 MushkulPesent wrote: This is really not correct Duck. Let me explain my point and im sure more experienced players like microsoft1 will back me up on this. Suppose that both safelane and jungle is open for you. If you chose to go safelane and say free farm, at min 7 you will be richer than you would have at jungle. But since you sharing the exp with you support you wont be able to get level 7 on time. This is exactly why lycan is going to jungle. To get level 7 before 7-8 min mark. And why do we need level 7? To kill roshan. (Remember it is not the vlad that lycan needs to kill roshan, it is level 7) So my point is, the guy who invented soulring build is going jungle with SR claims that he is doing better ( which can be true) but than he says he skips roshan,its dangerous, rushes Necro1 and starts pushing towers. And i ask this, why are you even going to jungle in the first place since you are not limited by level 7 anymore? Go for safelane and skip soulring as well, rush necro1 and start pushing even faster. In competitive or better games, it is expected that lycan goes lane. I have no issues with it, and I see little reason to day micro with sr there. But in most pub games, lycan is forced to go jungle because someone else picked carry. Its just that simple. It has nothing to do with getting fast level 7. It has nothing to do with roshan. Are you saying you can rosh at level 7 without either necro or Vlad? I won't criticise you for this, but I don't think it is possible. Anyway again the only reason the guy goes for sr in jungle and skips roshan etc is because he either has no lane to go, or the safe lane is likely to be facing aggressive enemies lane, or he just prefer the 'guarantee' of having uninterrupted farm in the jungle just because it is pub. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 27 2014 02:24 DucK- wrote: In competitive or better games, it is expected that lycan goes lane. I have no issues with it, and I see little reason to day micro with sr there. But in most pub games, lycan is forced to go jungle because someone else picked carry. Its just that simple. It has nothing to do with getting fast level 7. It has nothing to do with roshan. Are you saying you can rosh at level 7 without either necro or Vlad? I won't criticise you for this, but I don't think it is possible. Anyway again the only reason the guy goes for sr in jungle and skips roshan etc is because he either has no lane to go, or the safe lane is likely to be facing aggressive enemies lane, or he just prefer the 'guarantee' of having uninterrupted farm in the jungle just because it is pub. Actually Lycan can solo roshan at lvl7 without item since the 15 HP regen wolves buff. But it takes so long, that you will probably be noticed way before. | ||
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Arthamesia
2 Posts
 . Oh well I'm still gonna try and learn him and see how it goes. I tried without a guide just going in there rambo and other players make it look so easy, but I've learned it takes some jungle knowledge to jungle safely. | ||
Noya
Uruguay11223 Posts
On April 30 2014 09:04 Arthamesia wrote: I'm sad I'm just now wanting to learn him and he's been nerfed really hard .He really wasn't. | ||
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MushkulPesent
22 Posts
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xSJx
Canada50 Posts
Rush bottle or soul ring before you suicide, straight into necro 1. Brown boots after necro 1, upgrade to necro 3, then BoT. The last few pages of this thread has more info on the non-vlads build. There is also a lot of info about jungle camps and efficiency, which is pretty useful even if you think skipping vlads is stupid  . | ||
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joolz
United States67 Posts
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
As for why nobody wants to deal with him -- he's a really strong laner, wolves at lv 4 are the worst thing in the game to deal with as a support, he punishes greedy lineups pretty hard by taking fast towers and he can trade well against deathball pushes. | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
On July 31 2014 05:42 ahw wrote: Mid isn't much of a risk... howl and a good animation, bottle crow, and wolves to harass\deny runes is the makings of a good mid hero, at least nowadays. Plus he is very hard to gank at lv 6. As for why nobody wants to deal with him -- he's a really strong laner, wolves at lv 4 are the worst thing in the game to deal with as a support, he punishes greedy lineups pretty hard by taking fast towers and he can trade well against deathball pushes. I think nobody wants to deal with him because he's essentially broken. His two wolves mean map hack in the hands of a good player (look at some pro chinese lycans, holy shit), which is a huge deal in a meta that revolves a lot around ganking mid. He has creeps for rune control, good laning and every lost teamfight means you loose an objective unless you kill lycan, which is pretty hard thanks to his ult. He rats not just faster, but also safer than every other hero in the game (mb except for clinkz), just as a cherrytop. I think the rest of the skillset is so strong that the hero would be fine even if you took his ult away. He also solo eats every single support that doesnt have a reliable stun, and even then they often need tp support when lycan uses his ult. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
It's too powerful a hero in terms of what you're capable of doing in any game. Too versatile. Honestly, I'd like a nerf to his tower killing abilities and a buff to his teamfight abilities - make him a hardcarry. Like, his ult should last longer but if he's in ult form he shouldn't be able to get his wolves (or something like that), and he shouldn't be able to howl while in regular human form. Something like that. | ||
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joolz
United States67 Posts
On July 31 2014 12:58 Caladbolg wrote: Just watch how Luo plays Lycan and you'll understand. got any vods of that? a quick youtube search didnt get me anything | ||
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
Just search one of those games. | ||
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
rtz showed us what he can do now | ||
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FuzioNda1337
Sweden159 Posts
there is no other passive that gives that much dps(damage per second) combine that with howl. there is where the issue lies also it gives to minions such as howl, wich makes necrounit hits like nuts. the problem i have with lycan is he has everything, crit(check) attackspeed(check) damage buff x2 Check! haste buff check! BAT Buff Check. its like you can talk about void also here, he aint that insane but his ult makes up for it plenty. i dont see how ppl cannot se some heroes just got everything. Just look at some heroes that are not that very often played. there is a reason for it, check what they inherit by their kit itself compared to others they are just worse in most scenario except för the ult, thats often the case they pick it. everyone knows this, its better now than ever ofcourse! but there is still some issues i have, one of the biggest concerns i have right now, it is Doom,silencer(especially silencer) and void. I dont think i need to adress the issues, becuse if you are well experienced dota player you bloddy know the reason for it :D | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
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