On March 07 2016 06:20 plasmidghost wrote: Man it feels good to be an EE-sama fan
I'm sorry to crash your party, but EE was probably the worst carry that ever won a tournament. He played stable in the finals, but he had so many blunders before. So many situations where he died in a completely unnecessary fashion...
I think it was the worst tournament EE played so far and that Secret won had not just nothing to do with EE, but you could say that they somehow managed to despite of EE. In general the tournament had some incredible weird feeding from nearly every team. I have no idea why, but some players felt as if they let their game sense at home (but in the end nothing beats EEs Ember save on the cliff and instead of tping back blinking into 4 people waiting). EE vs EG
nice salt
there's a reason every pro player in the scene considers EE a top 3 carry, and you're just a miserable NEET at home flaming players
whatever lets you get through the day i guess.
Well i dont know about top 3 Carry, where do you have that from? But in the games i saw he played quite good, so i dont know why the guy is hating. And every Player makes mistakes in every game. Its just that everything ee does gets disscussed, because he has so much fame.
On March 07 2016 08:34 TomatoBisque wrote: Is there an English translation for that PLD interview?
I don't think so, the twitch vod is also muted due to music on twitch but they've uploaded their other stuff on youtube so maybe that will come there later too so I can listen to it again. I can understand most of it and could translate a bit but maybe there would be some fully native speakers willing to do it here.
On March 07 2016 06:20 plasmidghost wrote: Man it feels good to be an EE-sama fan
I'm sorry to crash your party, but EE was probably the worst carry that ever won a tournament. He played stable in the finals, but he had so many blunders before. So many situations where he died in a completely unnecessary fashion...
I think it was the worst tournament EE played so far and that Secret won had not just nothing to do with EE, but you could say that they somehow managed to despite of EE. In general the tournament had some incredible weird feeding from nearly every team. I have no idea why, but some players felt as if they let their game sense at home (but in the end nothing beats EEs Ember save on the cliff and instead of tping back blinking into 4 people waiting). EE vs EG
nice salt
there's a reason every pro player in the scene considers EE a top 3 carry, and you're just a miserable NEET at home flaming players
whatever lets you get through the day i guess.
Well i dont know about top 3 Carry, where do you have that from? But in the games i saw he played quite good, so i dont know why the guy is hating. And every Player makes mistakes in every game. Its just that everything ee does gets disscussed, because he has so much fame.
EE does a lot of shit that your average 3k redditor/TLer isnt going to understand or appreciate. The ways in which he helps his team build advantages are also not always super apparent to your average viewer. On top of all that some people just dont like him because he has a strong personality and is an awkward, anime loving asian kid (although it seems hes grown a lot in the past year). In the end, haters gonna hate but real dota players know EE is one of the best.
Im not gonna say its a fact but the argument can be made that EE is a top 3 carry.
On March 07 2016 08:06 ch33psh33p wrote: nice salt
Salt? I don't know any reason for me to be salty. I just think that EE plays where questionable.
The thing about his failures is that it isn't a close thing in a super tense situation like pressing the wrong button, but he fails spectacular in what seems to be judgment. The only other carry that made similar mistakes was Silent last TI with some clearly unecessary dives (or the try to make a 'play') like the Ember situation.
It is not that other players don't fail, but in EEs case he has at least 1 fail per match that is not just bad but plain stupid (and i'm not talking about voiding a creep in a high pressure situation; not that he fails once a match, sometimes he plays stable like in the finals, but sometimes he has multiple blunders in one game), but 'what the hell was he even thinking'.
By the way i'm pretty sure that EE himself realized a lot of his mistakes and i give him credit for that, but all that makes him far from a top carry pick and it felt like he got carried this tournament.
Well in that Ember game I certainly agree that the base dive and the jump from the cliff were "plays" that had like zero potential reward and a considerable risk for him dying. As far as I recall the 3rd bad looking feed was while Misery was hitting EG's t3 tower and EE wanted to "engage" on EG to stall their retreat but instead got caught by Nyx carapace or something.
But other than that specific game not sure what situations you are talking about. The other game where he had some questionable moves was the Slark game in UB finals but I don't think any of those was even close to "what was he thinking" territory. He was consistently playing Slark in a way where he farms areas his team can't farm very deep in enemy territory, makes himself a target for TL to chase, and he shouldn't really die. But then a few times he either screwed up on execution or read where some TL players were incorrectly and got caught.
The way EE tends to play is in stark contrast to some other players who consistently farm their own jungle and other safe areas on the map, putting themselves in as low risk as possible, but at the same time gathering very little information for their team and taking farm away from the other players in their team.
On March 07 2016 08:06 ch33psh33p wrote: nice salt
Salt? I don't know any reason for me to be salty. I just think that EE plays where questionable.
The thing about his failures is that it isn't a close thing in a super tense situation like pressing the wrong button, but he fails spectacular in what seems to be judgment. The only other carry that made similar mistakes was Silent last TI with some clearly unecessary dives (or the try to make a 'play') like the Ember situation.
It is not that other players don't fail, but in EEs case he has at least 1 fail per match that is not just bad but plain stupid (and i'm not talking about voiding a creep in a high pressure situation; not that he fails once a match, sometimes he plays stable like in the finals, but sometimes he has multiple blunders in one game), but 'what the hell was he even thinking'.
By the way i'm pretty sure that EE himself realized a lot of his mistakes and i give him credit for that, but all that makes him far from a top carry pick and it felt like he got carried this tournament.
Then you're a worshipper of the worst kind carry ever. Farm all day, never contribute to early game and teamfight until you 6-slotted.
Let me tell u, dude. Safe farming doesn't work for about 4 patch in a row. EE is a 'win big or lose big' kind of carry.
Stupid decision is considered as a superb play if it's working, otherwise it's stupid. In EE case, even if it's working, noone give him a credit. If it's fail, he's the worst carry ever.
All you remember from him is when he fails, even with the statistic whole tournament said differently. U don't expect EE is the second least death average in Shanghai Major, right? The only questionable play from him in this whole tournament is when he blinked from cliff to sleight 4 people. Other plays that u considered as 'fail' actually describe 'win big or lose big' things. Haters gonna hate, but noone force u to like him anyway. It's just annoying to see ignorant people hate EE for his fails, but never give him credit for his success.
no way EE is a top 3 carry... that play where he mana voided a creep he also had two idle manta illusions. He consistently feeds dumb kills to the point where it's considered 'art'. He's just lucky he's on a team with some superstar-level players that make up for his deficiencies and probably the best drafter in dota.
On March 07 2016 14:56 Scarecrow wrote: no way EE is a top 3 carry... that play where he mana voided a creep he also had two idle manta illusions. He consistently feeds dumb kills to the point where it's considered 'art'. He's just lucky he's on a team with some superstar-level players that make up for his deficiencies and probably the best drafter in dota.
you sound pretty eager to marginalize envy when he's consistently performed well in every team he's played on
i'm sure it's just luck that he's one of the most successful people in dota 2 to date
Pudge: I like pizza. Do you like pizza? Sniper: no Pudge: Why? Sniper: cheese. Too much for my liking Pudge: But cheese is good, cheese is life. No wonder you're so thin and small Sniper: there's no way cheese is life. Money is life. Family is life. Cheese? please cheese
It's a game of opinion. Pudge might be right, but that doesn't mean Sniper is wrong.
On March 07 2016 14:56 Scarecrow wrote: no way EE is a top 3 carry... that play where he mana voided a creep he also had two idle manta illusions. He consistently feeds dumb kills to the point where it's considered 'art'. He's just lucky he's on a team with some superstar-level players that make up for his deficiencies and probably the best drafter in dota.
"He's just lucky"
Oh wow. Wow. Slow down mate. He consistently feeds dumb kills to the point where he had the second lowest death average in the tournament? Also, the game you're talking about is the game in which the "best drafter in dota" drafted his team into an easily exploitable corner. I mean, if you're judging the whole of the skill of a dota player based on their misclicks or their meme-nicknames you don't really understand dota or you're just salty and aren't even being serious with your assessments.
On March 07 2016 14:56 Scarecrow wrote: no way EE is a top 3 carry... that play where he mana voided a creep he also had two idle manta illusions. He consistently feeds dumb kills to the point where it's considered 'art'. He's just lucky he's on a team with some superstar-level players that make up for his deficiencies and probably the best drafter in dota.
superstar-level player
best drafter in dotas
Ah you are one of those "puppey can do nothing wrong" . Looks like you either don't remember on what other secret players have been doing this past few months and those multiple times where puppey walked in to the entire enemy team as a support for no reason at all. I bet you don't remember puppey's naive drafts
or maybe you do remember you just chose not.
When it comes to carry players i bet you remember South Korea's very own MP naga dota ? Man that was some best naga in the world stuff + Show Spoiler +
(note the sarcasm)
When stuff like burning razor, s4 carry mids and lodas carry play when he's not clicking with the team exists. You should know that everybody fucks up real bad.
The most consistent in Secret hasn't done some serious fuckups has been pieliedie. No it's not w33ha or misery or puppey. All those 3 also did some serious fuckups and inconsistency this past few months. Blaming envy and acting as the other 3 secret players hasn't done stupidity in the past few months is not right.
On March 07 2016 15:43 dadde wrote: Check the teamsecret Facebook page:someone stole everything from the training rooms lol
It wasn't just them. The chinese organizers packed their stuff without telling them i think.
I think this has to be the worse fuckup by shanghai major outside the booth at the stage where there are glue fumes and you could hear the chinese commentator + it doesn't have a door.
On March 07 2016 16:24 TomatoBisque wrote: The mana void on a creep was a dumb play but the game was a pretty big outdraft and they had pretty much already lost
it was a selection box glitch with dp's euls
envy isn't the cleanest mechanical player but his understanding of aggressive farming to create space for his team more than makes up for it. and let's not forget puppey isn't the best mechanical player either: he casted winters curse TWICE on creeps in game 2 of the finals
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