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On August 21 2012 08:46 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:18 happyness wrote:On August 21 2012 06:35 IamPryda wrote:
If I was blizzard I would fire jay Wilson. Based on pure sales diablo 3 did great but clearly this was just a piggy back off the diablo franchise name. Blizzard is a company known for taking its
Time developing games making sure they are perfect before release, diablo 3 did not meet this standard. In fact between the big 3; Warcraft Starcraft and diablo franchises this is really the first failure of the three. Uh, in your opinion. A lot of people consider SC2 to be a failure. In terms of sales it definately was not a failure. And it seems to be the consensus among the community that the game is very good for the first 60 hours or so, which is way more than you can get from the majority of any game. But back on topic, how in the hell could Jay Wilson be so careless? Does he not know that people can take screenshots of FB? The interview wasn't even that bad either. Brevik was politely saying that he didn't like the game. How is that throwing anyone under the bus? Yep, he was careless, brash, and childish. It was probably a visceral reaction. Many people get them when they put a whole lot of effort into something and it gets publicly criticized. It must be particularly stressful to see your game get bashed permanently (despite the huge sales and a large amount of people who enjoy the game), and then see someone come from the bench and criticize your game not only doing that but also managing to load up a huge bunch of fuel to the bonfire created by the haters, who now have "official backup" to keep on bashing. I understand the feeling, but Wilson is a professional and should have moderated his response. Personally I feel D3 is a good game, but released way too quickly. Even though Blizzard games normally take their big share of patches to feel complete (Many, many people though that SC2 was shit at release, even D2 was crappy at the beginning), D3's case is a bit extreme and I've always felt it was rushed because of some corporate reason not known to the public. This behavior is extremely unblizzlike and I think something must have happened there, but that's another topic (Also, the game is clearly not a failure). Suffice to say, the game has a bright future, but this type of thing cannot happen publicly to someone like Wilson, it's not acceptable.
Yes I agree. If any one of us were in Jay Wilson's position, we would be thinking "Fuck that Loser" also, though we wouldn't post it on FB for the whole world to see. So I don't see him as necessarily an awful person (though not necessarily a good
one either). But his actions were unprofessional and stupid.
D3 is a good game. Time will tell whether it turns into a great game or not. Regardless, it doesn't matter what the character of the game developers is for the game to be good or not.
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On August 21 2012 08:18 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:35 IamPryda wrote:
If I was blizzard I would fire jay Wilson. Based on pure sales diablo 3 did great but clearly this was just a piggy back off the diablo franchise name. Blizzard is a company known for taking its
Time developing games making sure they are perfect before release, diablo 3 did not meet this standard. In fact between the big 3; Warcraft Starcraft and diablo franchises this is really the first failure of the three. Uh, in your opinion. A lot of people consider SC2 to be a failure. In terms of sales it definately was not a failure. And it seems to be the consensus among the community that the game is very good for the first 60 hours or so, which is way more than you can get from the majority of any game. But back on topic, how in the hell could Jay Wilson be so careless? Does he not know that people can take screenshots of FB? The interview wasn't even that bad either. Brevik was politely saying that he didn't like the game. How is that throwing anyone under the bus?
I enjoyed Diablo 3 for the first 60 hours, but have no desire to ever play it again after that point. That's a failure for a Blizzard game. Every Blizzard game I have played (SC, BW, WC3, WoW, D2, SC2) up until D3 has entertained me for hundreds, if not thousands, of hours. Infinite replayability until the game ages too much or Blizzard revamps it with a sequel. D3 stands out from the rest of them, and it's not in a good way.
If they had just done it right, as opposed to rushing it out the door, I would still be playing now and for the next several years. As it is, I haven't touched the game since June.
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On August 21 2012 09:17 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:18 happyness wrote:On August 21 2012 06:35 IamPryda wrote:
If I was blizzard I would fire jay Wilson. Based on pure sales diablo 3 did great but clearly this was just a piggy back off the diablo franchise name. Blizzard is a company known for taking its
Time developing games making sure they are perfect before release, diablo 3 did not meet this standard. In fact between the big 3; Warcraft Starcraft and diablo franchises this is really the first failure of the three. Uh, in your opinion. A lot of people consider SC2 to be a failure. In terms of sales it definately was not a failure. And it seems to be the consensus among the community that the game is very good for the first 60 hours or so, which is way more than you can get from the majority of any game. But back on topic, how in the hell could Jay Wilson be so careless? Does he not know that people can take screenshots of FB? The interview wasn't even that bad either. Brevik was politely saying that he didn't like the game. How is that throwing anyone under the bus? I enjoyed Diablo 3 for the first 60 hours, but have no desire to ever play it again after that point. That's a failure for a Blizzard game. Every Blizzard game I have played (SC, BW, WC3, WoW, D2, SC2) up until D3 has entertained me for hundreds, if not thousands, of hours. Infinite replayability until the game ages too much or Blizzard revamps it with a sequel. D3 stands out from the rest of them, and it's not in a good way. If they had just done it right, as opposed to rushing it out the door, I would still be playing now and for the next several years. As it is, I haven't touched the game since June.
I played WC3 for about 30 hours. I just didnt like it. Does that make it a bad game? No, not really.
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Umm... maybe this is an obvious question but how do we know that is the real(Blizzard) Jay Wilson? It is pretty easy to "fake" a facebook account. Is there a history of that particular Jay Wilson account being legit?
Maybe this is a question that has already been put to rest, but it seems like the obvious first question to ask.
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On August 21 2012 09:24 HardlyNever wrote:
Umm... maybe this is an obvious question but how do we know that is the real(Blizzard) Jay Wilson? It is pretty easy to "fake" a facebook account. Is there a history of that particular Jay Wilson account being legit?
Maybe this is a question that has already been put to rest, but it seems like the obvious first question to ask.
I'm sure Jill Harrington would be sucking up to a "fake" Jay Wilson lol. I saw someone address this question on bnet forum and traced it to Blizzard's Jay Wilson (unless he has a twin with the same name I guess)... assuming it hasn't been deleted.
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As a Diablo 1 and 2 fan, I feel like Jay Wilson just gave me the finger with that comment.
Jay, you killed Diablo. You have blood on your hands, sir.
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On August 21 2012 09:24 HardlyNever wrote:
Umm... maybe this is an obvious question but how do we know that is the real(Blizzard) Jay Wilson? It is pretty easy to "fake" a facebook account. Is there a history of that particular Jay Wilson account being legit?
Maybe this is a question that has already been put to rest, but it seems like the obvious first question to ask.
A lot of people have confirmed that this was the real Jay,created in 2007, lots of pictures and messages between industry people and blizzard etc...dont think trolls are that far sighted :p
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on the youtube interview you can see that he is trying really hard to say the truth in the nicest way possible
those posts on fb show that the d3 team is still in denial that their game sucked, and seeing people sucking up to extremely poor comments like "fuck that loser" shows how toxic the culture over there really is
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D3 sales number was inflated by hype and expectations.
The actual game is horrible , blizzard will never recover from this hit.
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I just think it was immature of not just Jay Wilson, but the other Blizzard employees as well with the way they responded in the fb comments. It just shows how arrogant they are. When you openly insult the creator of the franchise just because he gave a critique, that is more just stupidity. It's unprofessional, disrespectful, and egotistic.
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Really quite sad. I had projected my own bad experiences working in corporations onto Diablo 3, believing that the game being so incomplete and simple was more of a from-the-top, public company profit cycle issue. To see the devs react in such a way to such honest and imo gentle critism from someone that they owe complete respect to shows that there is truly no hope for d3. I really thought they understood and were going to make it right with patches and expansions. 
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On August 21 2012 08:46 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:18 happyness wrote:On August 21 2012 06:35 IamPryda wrote:
If I was blizzard I would fire jay Wilson. Based on pure sales diablo 3 did great but clearly this was just a piggy back off the diablo franchise name. Blizzard is a company known for taking its
Time developing games making sure they are perfect before release, diablo 3 did not meet this standard. In fact between the big 3; Warcraft Starcraft and diablo franchises this is really the first failure of the three. Uh, in your opinion. A lot of people consider SC2 to be a failure. In terms of sales it definately was not a failure. And it seems to be the consensus among the community that the game is very good for the first 60 hours or so, which is way more than you can get from the majority of any game. But back on topic, how in the hell could Jay Wilson be so careless? Does he not know that people can take screenshots of FB? The interview wasn't even that bad either. Brevik was politely saying that he didn't like the game. How is that throwing anyone under the bus? Yep, he was careless, brash, and childish. It was probably a visceral reaction. Many people get them when they put a whole lot of effort into something and it gets publicly criticized. It must be particularly stressful to see your game get bashed permanently (despite the huge sales and a large amount of people who enjoy the game), and then see someone come from the bench and criticize your game not only doing that but also managing to load up a huge bunch of fuel to the bonfire created by the haters, who now have "official backup" to keep on bashing. I understand the feeling, but Wilson is a professional and should have moderated his response. Personally I feel D3 is a good game, but released way too quickly. Even though Blizzard games normally take their big share of patches to feel complete (Many, many people though that SC2 was shit at release, even D2 was crappy at the beginning), D3's case is a bit extreme and I've always felt it was rushed because of some corporate reason not known to the public. This behavior is extremely unblizzlike and I think something must have happened there, but that's another topic (Also, the game is clearly not a failure). Suffice to say, the game has a bright future, but this type of thing cannot happen publicly to someone like Wilson, it's not acceptable.
Diablo 3 was a massive failure; it may have been a commercial success, but that has much more to do with the fact that Diablo is a household name. Jay Wilson and the current team completely bombed Diablo 3 though, and has soiled Blizzard's reputation quite badly; and in the gaming world, reputation means everything. Diablo 3 and SC2 sold well predominantly because of Blizzard's reputation. Now that everyone knows that they don't make quite as good games as they used to, their next cycle of games likely aren't going to sell anywhere near as well.
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I've been following the D3 forums tonight for a good laugh at the posts getting deleted... Anyway I came across this gem...
http://i.imgur.com/y3CsB.png
EDIT: ^^^ Ha, beat me to it
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lmao... priceless.
OMG that shirt... I want one!
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LOL They should just give out a gag order to their employees on facebook, they are making this worse for themselves, and making themselves look extremely vain.
Edit:After seeing all of this ,I understand why they think the d3 story was fantastic..and tell us that too(during ama on reddit etc).
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On August 20 2012 22:54 Zrana wrote:
Soo many people jumping on the d3 hatewagon. I bet most of them only played d2 up to lvl 40 and think it was god's gift to gaming because everyone else says so, then they played d3 and expected it to be like WoW and got pissed when it wasn't.
If you look at both games objectively, d3 is a flat out improvement. There are ofc problems but you'll find that all blizzard games have problems at release and improve slowly over time.
As someone who's played many D2 characters and classes to level 99, and played the game for many years, I vehemently disagree with your statement that D3 is a "flat out improvement". I found it to be a step back in many ways (and I've listed them in other threads- I don't wish to re-whine now).
Quite frankly, I've never been so disappointed in any sequel game- not just a Blizzard game. Granted, I had the bar set pretty high for D3, but for good fucking reason. I already don't really play it anymore.
OT: The Facebook posts make Jay and his gang look incredibly immature, and I'm not at all surprised that the original Diablo creator (Brevik?) answered the (loaded) questions honestly and with a little dismay. I don't blame him.
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Holy shit these people cant stop talking on facebook for some reason.
Its like a bug zapper.
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