EPTBut when a fellow game designer points out all the failures that the ''minority'' fan base ''exagerated'' over the last months, well, i would be pretty mad too.
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
But when a fellow game designer points out all the failures that the ''minority'' fan base ''exagerated'' over the last months, well, i would be pretty mad too. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Also, no dev should ever ever ever answer interviews wherein you say, "well i wouldve done this", especially when you created one of the biggest flops in history. | ||
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Tennoji
78 Posts
Alse, I remember I thought Blizzard was dead years ago when the responsible teams for their current franchises were disbanded. I have no idea why I bought Diablo 3, oh no, wait I do, it's because Diablo 2 was actualy good. Thank you David. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:03 Tennoji wrote: The saddest thing is that Jay Wilson showed how they look at criticism. Criticism should always be listened to and not cast aside like this. This is what Blizzard used to stand for, quality products. And by saying "Fuck that loser" to mr. Brevik, he also said it to everyone that feels the same way as Brevik. He basicly said "fuck you" to a great part of their customer base. Alse, I remember I thought Blizzard was dead years ago when "Blizzard South" was disbanded. I have no idea why I bought Diablo 3, oh no, wait I do, it's because Diablo 2 was actualy good. Thank you David. Or... just maybe... there is stuff that you dont know about between these individuals that went on in private. Not saying that "fuck that loser" was appropriate, just that you dont really know the whole story. | ||
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
Jay Wilson making that comment, forced a ton of lost respect for the guy. How are you gonna fire the man, ruin his game then call him a loser!!! WOW!!! | ||
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
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wwiv
Singapore182 Posts
On August 21 2012 03:05 TheRabidDeer wrote: Or... just maybe... there is stuff that you dont know about between these individuals that went on in private. Not saying that "fuck that loser" was appropriate, just that you dont really know the whole story. or... maybe we do know because jay wilson has been extremely vocal on his views of the "rose tinted" "people don't remember correctly" diablo series. if anything, brevik has been pretty polite despite all the former's bitching. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
Wow really? And I got banned from their forum for saying 'bitching'? lulz | ||
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
When someone they couldn't write off echoed the the community's negativity opinion they lashed out. They used the mantra "haters gonna hate" to create a bubble around themselves (like so many do) and freaked out when that bubble popped. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:38 dUTtrOACh wrote: I have to read these statements... Poor guy breaks down and buys the game and it turns out to be as shitty as he imagined and now he's just another disgruntled customer according to Blizz? Perhaps it does in fact suck. Can't they just pull an MLG for once and admit they fucked up? They will never do anything like that, even in their own heads. Their is something about being a blizz employee that makes them feel like they know everything and are never wrong. They are the most stubborn company out there right now and it's going to be their downfall. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
The game was a commercial success, which is basically all you can ask for from a game developer (from a company perspective). Whether that success is related to D1 or D2 or the current developers (or, more likely, a combination of both) can't really be determined (but I know some of you will try...). I know there is "untold community rage" saying how terrible the game was, but... I've yet to find any reliable, concrete numbers about how disgruntled the "community" is about it (In b4 that xfire graph). Either way, the interview wasn't that scathing, and D3 sold incredibly well, and they are still patching it. I'd buy the expansion in a heart-beat unless it looked deliberately horrible. That is a success in my book. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:56 HardlyNever wrote: So much drama over nothing... The game was a commercial success, which is basically all you can ask for from a game developer (from a company perspective). Whether that success is related to D1 or D2 or the current developers (or, more likely, a combination of both) can't really be determined (but I know some of you will try...). I know there is "untold community rage" saying how terrible the game was, but... I've yet to find any reliable, concrete numbers about how disgruntled the "community" is about it (In b4 that xfire graph). Either way, the interview wasn't that scathing, and D3 sold incredibly well, and they are still patching it. I'd buy the expansion in a heart-beat unless it looked deliberately horrible. That is a success in my book. Succes is not only how much the game sells but also how it benefits the company in the future and how much it costed them. D3 took ages, had quite some advertising and we just have to see how the expansions or future games do. An actor making big money on a sequal of a good movie but never featuring in a big movie again because of it can't really say the movie was a succes to do now can he? | ||
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Wyk
314 Posts
Fuck that loser. | ||
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nakam
Sweden245 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:56 HardlyNever wrote: So much drama over nothing... The game was a commercial success, which is basically all you can ask for from a game developer (from a company perspective). Whether that success is related to D1 or D2 or the current developers (or, more likely, a combination of both) can't really be determined (but I know some of you will try...). I know there is "untold community rage" saying how terrible the game was, but... I've yet to find any reliable, concrete numbers about how disgruntled the "community" is about it (In b4 that xfire graph). Either way, the interview wasn't that scathing, and D3 sold incredibly well, and they are still patching it. I'd buy the expansion in a heart-beat unless it looked deliberately horrible. That is a success in my book. Success for Blizzard is on an entirely different margin than other companies. Blizzard has huge gaps in between franchises, and basically relies on massive success of an initial release, and then sales of add-ons and expansions to generate further revenue. To put it simply, much of Blizzard's profits relies on releasing a big game once every 5 years or so, and then sitting on that game while they work the next development cycle. So while record breaking release sales may be amazing for another company, Blizzard still needs to the continued sales and continued revenue, because that's their business model. And as for the community response, all you need to look at is the official statements. The only celebratory statements are about breaking pre-sale records and day-one sales. After that, every official post is essentially "sorry for server problems" and "the game is getting better". Try to remember the last time any company CEO had to make an official statement saying "I know there are problems, but we're working on them". If it was just a vocal minority, Blizzard would be sitting back and making blog posts about how sales are still strong, and how successful D3 is (just like ever other company). But they aren't, they're apologizing and promising future updates every single time. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On August 21 2012 05:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Success for Blizzard is on an entirely different margin than other companies. Blizzard has huge gaps in between franchises, and basically relies on massive success of an initial release, and then sales of add-ons and expansions to generate further revenue. To put it simply, much of Blizzard's profits relies on releasing a big game once every 5 years or so, and then sitting on that game while they work the next development cycle. So while record breaking release sales may be amazing for another company, Blizzard still needs to the continued sales and continued revenue, because that's their business model. And as for the community response, all you need to look at is the official statements. The only celebratory statements are about breaking pre-sale records and day-one sales. After that, every official post is essentially "sorry for server problems" and "the game is getting better". Try to remember the last time any company CEO had to make an official statement saying "I know there are problems, but we're working on them". If it was just a vocal minority, Blizzard would be sitting back and making blog posts about how sales are still strong, and how successful D3 is (just like ever other company). But they aren't, they're apologizing and promising future updates every single time. There is some bizarre logic going on in this post... First, virtually EVERY major PC developer works on either the "blizzard model (a game every few years or a game a year at best), or the micro-transaction, F2P model that is on the rise (LoL, soon to be Dota 2). D3 even has micro transactions. No PC developer does the "hey we'll remake the same game every year with one new thingy" you see in the console market. This game has already outsold the entire library of most smaller PC game developers that are still in business. Blizzard doesn't "need" it do sell any more. Of course, if it did, that would be great. The official statements thing just makes no sense. Virtually every official statement from a game company will be addressing some issue or another. Would you expect a lot of posts saying "Hey we're glad you guys like the game, thanks for the support." That would serve no purpose. You might see an odd one of those here or there, but the vast majority of "official responses" will always be addressing problems/issues. That is what they are there for. That is why those people get paid... | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
There were several ways to respond to that, but fuck that loser was not one of them. | ||
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