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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
He stood his ground hard and fast. I kinda respect that. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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dekwaz
Thailand61 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:59 Medrea wrote: Wow Jay Wilson didnt even fall back to "It was just a joke" or "I was just hassling him" or anything. He stood his ground hard and fast. I kinda respect that. Agree, no bullshit PR. Say what you want, but on this issue he's got balls. Got a feeling that they must hate each other's guts. Hard. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:58 Wildmoon wrote: lol "fuck that loser" That's kinda unprofessional. He made a lot of mistakes with D3 and should accept criticism and fix them but again Brevik is not really better than Jay. He is terrible too and likely won't make any good game anymore. I still remember that god awful Hellgate:London that I wasted my money on. I remember how angry I was with HG at that time. It's on my worst game ever list. So I don't really buy "He would have done it better" shit from Brevik too. Never really understood the hate people have for HG London. I've always felt the game design of that game was relatively good, there were just flaws in the multiplayer experience(which admittedly was a huge issue). Then ofcourse they just weren't strong enough financially to make the game. Like I said, I've always felt the idea of the game itself was pretty good but it suffered more from not directly game design related things. Anyway, felt Brevik gave a very good interview and while addressing that there were pretty huge issues with D3, didn't really do it in a... dickish way. Personally I feel the D3 developing team needs to be more humble and accept that atleast when D3 was released it was in a very poor state. I think also bragging about D3 being fastest selling game of all time is kind of silly, when it most certainly didn't sell so well on it's own merits but rather Brevik and his team's. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:58 Wildmoon wrote: lol "fuck that loser" That's kinda unprofessional. He made a lot of mistakes with D3 and should accept criticism and fix them but again Brevik is not really better than Jay. He is terrible too and likely won't make any good game anymore. I still remember that god awful Hellgate:London that I wasted my money on. I remember how angry I was with HG at that time. It's on my worst game ever list. So I don't really buy "He would have done it better" shit from Brevik too. Might be true but atleast he has some Action RPG experience. While Jay Wilson has none. Jay Wilson Credits: Games Credited Diablo III (2012), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty (2010), Blizzard Entertainment Europe Company of Heroes (2006), THQ Inc. Company of Heroes (Collector's Edition) (2006), THQ Inc. Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War (Game of the Year Edition) (2005), THQ Inc. Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War (2004), THQ Inc. Homeworld 2 (2003), Sierra Entertainment, Inc., Vivendi Universal Games, Inc. Impossible Creatures (2003), Microsoft Game Studios Sanity: Aiken's Artifact (2000), Fox Interactive, Inc. Blood II: The Chosen - The Nightmare Levels (1999), GT Interactive Software Corp. Blood II: The Chosen (1998), GT Interactive Software Corp. King's Quest: Mask of Eternity (1998), Sierra On-Line, Inc. David Brevik Credits: Games Credited Marvel Super Hero Squad Online (2011), Gazillion Entertainment, Inc. Dungeons and Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited (2009), Atari, Inc. Hellgate: London (2007), Namco Bandai Games America Inc. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (2002), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (Collector's Edition) (2002), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. Diablo II (2000), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. Diablo II (Collector's Edition) (2000), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. Diablo (1996), Blizzard Entertainment Inc. Justice League Task Force (1995), Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. The Pirates of Dark Water (1994), Sun Corporation of America Aero the Acro-Bat (1993), Sun Corporation of America Gordo 106 (1991), Atari Corporation Source is MobyGames so i cant tell if the list is right | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 21 2012 07:55 dmfg wrote: You know they also released D2 patch 1.10 which is "not even to be called a patch anymore", pretty much completely revamping the entire game? And they did this about 3 years after release? I don't understand how you can possibly bitch about new, good, free content being released. Ya lets all forget what they have gained/learnt from D2/all the available D2 resources and start to develop D3 from scratch. Stop bringing up about D2 needed those patches etc, DIABLO 3 is supposed to be built on the patched/fixed/almost perfected D2 - and that's exactly what Brevik said, Blizzard lost a tonne of expertise and experience on making ARPG. What Brevik spoke of are true and honest and we can clearly see that he is disappointed and of course he is disappointed!!! Imagine that you were him and some team ruined your lifetime work!!! As i said, if they actually developed the game properly the whole shit storm of 'D3 sucks' wouldn't happen in the first place. How can anyone fail with the enormous budget from blizzard??? I am still baffled by the logic going on in the team when they decided to make huge changes to the gold standrd 'D1+D2'. like seriously, we all get jay wilson'd. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
what you bought is a WoW aRPG with the Diablo name slapped on it. And really what else can you expect now from Blizzard? All the people who made the good franchises left. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On August 21 2012 21:40 Zarahtra wrote: Never really understood the hate people have for HG London. I've always felt the game design of that game was relatively good, there were just flaws in the multiplayer experience(which admittedly was a huge issue). Then ofcourse they just weren't strong enough financially to make the game. Like I said, I've always felt the idea of the game itself was pretty good but it suffered more from not directly game design related things. Anyway, felt Brevik gave a very good interview and while addressing that there were pretty huge issues with D3, didn't really do it in a... dickish way. Personally I feel the D3 developing team needs to be more humble and accept that atleast when D3 was released it was in a very poor state. I think also bragging about D3 being fastest selling game of all time is kind of silly, when it most certainly didn't sell so well on it's own merits but rather Brevik and his team's. There were many game design flaws in HG too. The dev hyped like it was modern "Diablo" back then. D3 didn't live up to the hype but it's not even comparable to such a epic fail HG was. It was such a fail that Bill Roper one of the most beloved person in this industry from his works at Blizzard became one of the most hated at that time. | ||
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Trotim
Germany95 Posts
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
Starcraft 2 isn't as interesting as BW (Colossus is much more boring to watch than reaver micro i.e.), Diablo 3 is an epic failure on several different levels (such as writing and gameplay which is huuuuuge), and WoW has sucked since WoTLK. I don't understand how people can enjoy inferior products like this in which the developers are basically mocking their own fanbase that they don't deserve. Oh well. Never buying a product from them. I advise people to look at better companies -- such as Cd Projekt Red, Arena Net, From Software (minus their PC port of DS), Rocksteady, Runic, and there are more that are genuinely good out there with consistently high quality games. Blizzard is no longer a high tier developer. They're a commercial kitsch factory. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
On August 21 2012 22:37 Deadlyhazard wrote: I assure you, even if any products they make in the future are fairly good, I will not be purchasing another Blizzard game. I could not support such an arrogant company that's willing to throttle user experiences in their games to ensure cash flow (RMAH, DRM, etc...). I don't understand how any self-respecting individual could buy another Blizzard title after this, unless they're the type of junkies that buy Call of Duty ever year. That's what Blizzard's franchises have been reduced to since '07 IMO. Starcraft 2 isn't as interesting as BW (Colossus is much more boring to watch than reaver micro i.e.), Diablo 3 is an epic failure on several different levels (such as writing and gameplay which is huuuuuge), and WoW has sucked since WoTLK. I don't understand how people can enjoy inferior products like this in which the developers are basically mocking their own fanbase that they don't deserve. Oh well. Never buying a product from them. I advise people to look at better companies -- such as Cd Projekt Red, Arena Net, From Software (minus their PC port of DS), Rocksteady, Runic, and there are more that are genuinely good out there with consistently high quality games. Blizzard is no longer a high tier developer. They're a commercial kitsch factory. i feel the same and i didnt buy d3 after sc2 dissapointed me. also i dont plan on buying d3 or sc2 expansions. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:25 TaShadan wrote: i feel the same and i didnt buy d3 after sc2 dissapointed me. also i dont plan on buying d3 or sc2 expansions. I was so determined not to get D3 after SC2 (i hated sc2 so much but support it for esport because it is still the best rts out there) but the hype got me So no HotS for me even i am a HUGE zerg fan. grrrrr | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:30 BurningSera wrote: I was so determined not to get D3 after SC2 (i hated sc2 so much but support it for esport because it is still the best rts out there) but the hype got me So no HotS for me even i am a HUGE zerg fan. grrrrrits not hard to be the best rts game if there is no other competetive titel left... bw is the best esports titel but thanks to blizzard and kespa its dead now. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
The fact is that the substance of Brevick's comments is spot on. All the design work and lessons learned over the years of developing Diablo 1 and 2 were thrown out the window for Diablo 3. They turned the game into a pointless and unscrupulous profiteering opportunity with the RMAH, and the design errors they've made with the boring itemization just reeks of amateurism. I guess it must really sting to have it pointed out my the original designer of your game that your work is amateur shit and sold 10 million copies mainly as a result of riding off the coattails of this guy. Jay Wilson took this criticism personally. He rightly should. It's a personal attack that he has designed a subpar and disappointing game. And he is in fact personally responsible for this shit moneygrubbing game. Also, there's been a lot of nice ad hominem attacks on Hellgate. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On August 21 2012 23:34 TaShadan wrote: its not hard to be the best rts game if there is no other competetive titel left... bw is the best esports titel but thanks to blizzard and kespa its dead now. No, its dead because it lost popularity. Like it or not its fact. Its like sc2 fans now hating on LoL becuase that is developing into the biggest e-sport. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On August 22 2012 00:18 oneofthem wrote: even the new uniques are much less varied than d2 items. they just threw in random monster effects, while the items are still limited by the basic rules of DPS+primary stats > everything. These new legendaries are way more varied than D2 uniques and DPS on legendaries (and even i62 and i61) has been normalized so they all roll up to the highest values. Also, you mainly want crit damage on your weapon next to high dps, not main stat. | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On August 21 2012 20:58 Wildmoon wrote: lol "fuck that loser" That's kinda unprofessional. He made a lot of mistakes with D3 and should accept criticism and fix them but again Brevik is not really better than Jay. He is terrible too and likely won't make any good game anymore. I still remember that god awful Hellgate:London that I wasted my money on. I remember how angry I was with HG at that time. It's on my worst game ever list. So I don't really buy "He would have done it better" shit from Brevik too. Oh come on, the way a game is formed isn't entirely because of one person. Brevik didn't make any of the games he was part of by himself. If the game failed, it's because of a collective series of failures involving several different departments including management. It doesn't mean Brevik is a shitty developer by any means whatsoever. | ||
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