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On February 28 2014 06:39 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:10 Greem wrote:On February 28 2014 06:04 Cheerio wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:15 farvacola wrote:On February 28 2014 05:12 PaleMan wrote:
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feel sorry for you and your dad man
but when US wants to bring chaos to some small country it brings it
even if there is only 1 year till president elections they will spill blood and inspire revolution just because they can This post would be hilarious if it didn't represent actual views. Let the comfort that comes with blaming the US for everything ease you into a 21st century in which actual knowledge simply doesn't matter. tbh our revolution goes almost the same way as Serbian, just almost totally equal scenario, which kinda strange for me, but it's not the case. I'm tired of those clashed between East and Russia. One more thing, I wish I could see how Cheerio gonna explain to my dad why revolution is good and needed to be right now! Just 1 year before elections. Not sure how many teeth Cheerio could loose What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side. And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, I'm fine to leave in a country without "Right Sector". I'm fine to be close to Russia, that's how I changed my mind during last few days, just tired! Tired of what? What could have possibly tire you so much that you start wishing for more casualties? Its a result of polarization , hes forced to choose side . People with extreme opinion like you force situations like this. People are divided, and thats never good, they cannot agree on anything, even the most basic stuff, because they minds are looking only for differences, because they "side" demand it to prove the point of being "right". what is so extreme about my position/opinion?
Didn't you say earlier in the thread (like 2 weeks ago or something) that you were out the whole day supplying the rioters with gasoline?
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On February 28 2014 06:44 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic?
Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups collective responsibility for everyone protesting because of actions of extremist?
Yes, collecctive responsibility for ultra right protestors, cause of extremist attempts, it has nothing common with cyvlians striking. It's just different case.
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It should go without saying that an attempt to seize Ukrainian territory would be a disaster in the short run, ruining Russian credibility around the world and likely starting a major war. In the long term, such an action, even if it were to succeed, would set a rather troubling precedent -- for Russia itself.
If Russia excludes its own borders from the general international standard of inviolability, it might face some unwanted challenges down the road. If Russia's external frontiers are flexible zones, to be pushed in various ways with appeals to the rights of ethnic brethren and passport holders, then what will happen, down the line, in Russia's eastern Siberia? There, Russia holds major natural resources along its border with China, the world's longest. Some 6 million Russian citizens in eastern Siberia face 90 million Chinese in China's bordering provinces.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/02/26/dear_kremlin_careful_with_crimea
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On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:
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What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups
I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists.
Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner".
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On February 28 2014 06:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:44 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups collective responsibility for everyone protesting because of actions of extremist? Yes, collecctive responsibility for ultra right protestors, cause of extremist attempts, it has nothing common with cyvlians striking. It's just different case.
In your example if there is a big crowd of protestors, and one guy sneaks in and throws a gasoline bomb the police can now arrest the whole crowd for terrorism.
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On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:15 farvacola wrote:On February 28 2014 05:12 PaleMan wrote:
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feel sorry for you and your dad man
but when US wants to bring chaos to some small country it brings it
even if there is only 1 year till president elections they will spill blood and inspire revolution just because they can This post would be hilarious if it didn't represent actual views. Let the comfort that comes with blaming the US for everything ease you into a 21st century in which actual knowledge simply doesn't matter. tbh our revolution goes almost the same way as Serbian, just almost totally equal scenario, which kinda strange for me, but it's not the case. I'm tired of those clashed between East and Russia. One more thing, I wish I could see how Cheerio gonna explain to my dad why revolution is good and needed to be right now! Just 1 year before elections. Not sure how many teeth Cheerio could loose What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars.
he is 24? And still dreams of his father beating somebody up for him? Wow.
On February 28 2014 06:48 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:39 Cheerio wrote:On February 28 2014 06:10 Greem wrote:On February 28 2014 06:04 Cheerio wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:15 farvacola wrote:
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This post would be hilarious if it didn't represent actual views. Let the comfort that comes with blaming the US for everything ease you into a 21st century in which actual knowledge simply doesn't matter. tbh our revolution goes almost the same way as Serbian, just almost totally equal scenario, which kinda strange for me, but it's not the case. I'm tired of those clashed between East and Russia. One more thing, I wish I could see how Cheerio gonna explain to my dad why revolution is good and needed to be right now! Just 1 year before elections. Not sure how many teeth Cheerio could loose What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side. And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, I'm fine to leave in a country without "Right Sector". I'm fine to be close to Russia, that's how I changed my mind during last few days, just tired! Tired of what? What could have possibly tire you so much that you start wishing for more casualties? Its a result of polarization , hes forced to choose side . People with extreme opinion like you force situations like this. People are divided, and thats never good, they cannot agree on anything, even the most basic stuff, because they minds are looking only for differences, because they "side" demand it to prove the point of being "right". what is so extreme about my position/opinion? Didn't you say earlier in the thread (like 2 weeks ago or something) that you were out the whole day supplying the rioters with gasoline?
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On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic?
Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner".
The biggest thing to keep in mind when discussing this is also the fact that the protests were declared illegal in its entirety. If they were legal the police would have a lot less problems with arresting the violent portions while allowed the non-violet part to go about there business. Instead they created a situation where everyone was a police target which caused them to band together for protection rather then allowing violent elements to be exposed and arrested.
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On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic?
Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner".
That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on.
It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary?
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On February 28 2014 06:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". The biggest thing to keep in mind when discussing this is also the fact that the protests were declared illegal in its entirety. If they were legal the police would have a lot less problems with arresting the violent portions while allowed the non-violet part to go about there business. Instead they created a situation where everyone was a police target which caused them to band together for protection rather then allowing violent elements to be exposed and arrested.
Exactly. In fact the whole violence started when Yanukovych outlawed protesters, be it peaceful or radical ones. That gave them reason to defend in tandem, rather to disperse into groups of different interest.
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Well, they only announced his message. Moreover if you read carefully it's written "Сообщение от имени экс-президента Украины", that means ex-president.
But Russia cannot recognize any other president as well, and they don't see any responsible officials in Ukraine to the moment. Maybe this will change with elections.
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On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary?
Public protests are controlled by the same goal between those protesting combined by basic morals.
It gos wrong when you try to take away they're rights while they are protesting. That escalated this entire situation.
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On February 28 2014 06:53 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:15 farvacola wrote:
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This post would be hilarious if it didn't represent actual views. Let the comfort that comes with blaming the US for everything ease you into a 21st century in which actual knowledge simply doesn't matter. tbh our revolution goes almost the same way as Serbian, just almost totally equal scenario, which kinda strange for me, but it's not the case. I'm tired of those clashed between East and Russia. One more thing, I wish I could see how Cheerio gonna explain to my dad why revolution is good and needed to be right now! Just 1 year before elections. Not sure how many teeth Cheerio could loose What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. he is 24? And still dreams of his father beating somebody up for him? Wow. Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:48 zeo wrote:On February 28 2014 06:39 Cheerio wrote:On February 28 2014 06:10 Greem wrote:On February 28 2014 06:04 Cheerio wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:40 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:37 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:29 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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tbh our revolution goes almost the same way as Serbian, just almost totally equal scenario, which kinda strange for me, but it's not the case. I'm tired of those clashed between East and Russia.
One more thing, I wish I could see how Cheerio gonna explain to my dad why revolution is good and needed to be right now! Just 1 year before elections. Not sure how many teeth Cheerio could loose
What if Cheerio's dad lost his job because Yanukovich's friends in the tax police closed it down? Does he get to break your teeth? What IF? I'm talking about real things happening, not about what if. By the way, why do u thing that I would prove him something like he does during 80+ pages in this topic? Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side. And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, I'm fine to leave in a country without "Right Sector". I'm fine to be close to Russia, that's how I changed my mind during last few days, just tired! Tired of what? What could have possibly tire you so much that you start wishing for more casualties? Its a result of polarization , hes forced to choose side . People with extreme opinion like you force situations like this. People are divided, and thats never good, they cannot agree on anything, even the most basic stuff, because they minds are looking only for differences, because they "side" demand it to prove the point of being "right". what is so extreme about my position/opinion? Didn't you say earlier in the thread (like 2 weeks ago or something) that you were out the whole day supplying the rioters with gasoline? quote?
You are disgusting ultra right person that always pulls all that fits u out of context.
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On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:42 Sub40APM wrote:
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Well, its "IF" because he isnt on here crying about it. But lets say he started crying about it would it be fair? Your dad can break his teeth and his dad will break yours. Everyone wins right! Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary?
You need to distinguish between parliamentary opposition with so-so presence on Maidan and the street opposition which will hold no one as their leader, unless he is one of their own, fighting along them.
In fact, no one can control an angry riot, you can try to reason with it, but not control it.
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The demonstrations would never have succeeded in the first place if they weren't supported by a large part of the ukrainian public. The state security apparatus doesn't lose to a few percent of people rioting, the problem with situations like this is that more than half of the police are suddenly unusable because they can't be trusted and you have to ship in 'trustworthy' units. Any polling I've seen shows more than half of Ukrainians supporting the protests and more than that percentage demanding that yanukovich went away. You might have some extremists but it isn't half of the population.
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On February 28 2014 07:00 Roman666 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:On February 28 2014 05:52 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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Once again, u're talking into a perspective. U seems like don't want to understand that I wish everyone could wait until elections, not by doig a revolution, not by complete breaking economical situation. The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports. Now I'm starting to think that I wish Yanukovich could not that coward, that he could let Berkut shoot in riots when some of them attempts to throw a cocktail or something else, I don't mind if there could be more victims from riots side.
And I don't mind to leave separately from Western Ukraine, let them strike for 100 years long on their side, without donations, without production, without anything, Yep, and the protesters are the fascists. You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary? You need to distinguish between parliamentary opposition with so-so presence on Maidan and the street opposition which will hold no one as their leader, unless he is one of their own, fighting along them. In fact, no one can control an angry riot, you can try to reason with it, but not control it.
It's too late, everything is out of control by far. But the worst still might be ahead. Financial default is simple example :/
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Are there any foreign groups that all the different factions have a favorable view of?
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On February 28 2014 07:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 07:00 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 05:56 Sub40APM wrote:
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The breaking of the economic situation was going to happen because Yanukovich, not because of the revolution. The only question that was left is to begin economic reforms now or to be like the Russian industry and become depended completely on oil and gas exports.
[quote] Yep, and the protesters are the fascists.
You realize Russians dont want another 20 million of poor people with useless industries they support because they need the gas pipelines? Good luck to you, the coming economic reforms in the East will be tough. Maybe you can move to Moscow, I hear they are really welcoming to laborers from ex-Soviet countries. The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary? You need to distinguish between parliamentary opposition with so-so presence on Maidan and the street opposition which will hold no one as their leader, unless he is one of their own, fighting along them. In fact, no one can control an angry riot, you can try to reason with it, but not control it. It's too late, everything is out of control by far. But the worst still might be ahead. Financial default is simple example :/
Ofc its out of control. Thats what happens when your government is to busy with enriching themselves to care about there country for many many years.
The way out of that hole will always be painful but shutting your ear and pretending there is no problem doesnt help. If its not you failing the pain it will be your children or your grandchildren ect. At some point it will all blow up and the longer you wait with fixing it the worse the pain will be when it does go wrong.
And make no mistake, it will always go wrong. Massive corruption like this doesnt fix itself.
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On February 28 2014 07:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 07:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 07:00 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
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The protesters are toys, simply toys, not tell me about bright future, about uncorrupted politicians came to power, yes-yes, ofc. Russia at least has some cash, they are able to pud 100 billions on Olympic games, which is ridiculous sum, and u do think they won't add close in temrs of culture people, u think they won't help? Having so much common in past means a lot. Once a year i'm in Moscow. And u know where people from western parts of Ukraine goes to earn some cash? Right, they moves in Russia. Where did Yanukovich took his credit? In Russia. Current government got no souces to get more cash, the country economicly f*cked, but yes, we do belive in a bright future, bla-bla-bla... How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic. You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary? You need to distinguish between parliamentary opposition with so-so presence on Maidan and the street opposition which will hold no one as their leader, unless he is one of their own, fighting along them. In fact, no one can control an angry riot, you can try to reason with it, but not control it. It's too late, everything is out of control by far. But the worst still might be ahead. Financial default is simple example :/ Ofc its out of control. Thats what happens when your government is to busy with enriching themselves to care about there country for many many years. The way out of that hole will always be painful but shutting your ear and pretending there is no problem doesnt help. If its not you failing the pain it will be your children or your grandchildren ect. At some point it will all blow up and the longer you wait with fixing it the worse the pain will be when it does go wrong. And make no mistake, it will always go wrong. Massive corruption like this doesnt fix itself.
So is declaring anyone who is a protester a terrorist the way Yanukovich had in January.
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On February 28 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 07:10 Gorsameth wrote:On February 28 2014 07:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 07:00 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:55 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:49 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:42 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:29 Roman666 wrote:On February 28 2014 06:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On February 28 2014 06:18 Roman666 wrote:
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How can you be so egocentric when there is a revolution in your country is mindblowing. Calling for more casualties because your sorry ass can't handle the changes is beyond any logic.
You said you are 24 and as you present it, you still live off your father salary. At that age people have their own jobs, you know? Perhaps you should try to find one without bribing anyone and see how it goes. Because this is what these people whose lives you are so indifferent with fighting for. To live like a decent human beings, not like beggars. When did I told that I'm living for my dads salary? U've got wonderful imagination. I do have a job, my mom also got a job, my dad potentially might loose a job aswell as 3/4 of F.C. Metalist crew due to lack of finances, which revolution caused. Second thing, I don't want to live back to back with idiots that able to capture city administration easily, that throwing a cocktails at police, that crushing streets and monuments with symbols 14/88 on their shields. I drew a bad conclusion from your previous posts, my bad, sorry. Ask yourself an honest question. Do you seriously believe that these 14/88 idiots are the majority of the people that are in bad shape? Do you honestly think that they are the only ones that live badly and only ones that have reason to protest? There is also a good people amoung of riots, yes, I don't know about how many of them stays at Maidan, no one gonna tell u that. I asked myself, and I belive in things like: 1) If I'm striking by cyvil ways, wtihout cocktails and stones, just simply shouting some slogans and not trying to capture a governmental building, and I'm staning next to the same guys as me - i'm normal oppositioneer which is fine. 2) If I'm arming in shields with 14/88 marks in masks with clubs and cocktails - i'm an extremist, I have to be jailed or maybe even killed by police while attempting to throw a cocktail or while doing some other illeagal staff. 3) If I'm standing right next to a guy I describe in section 2, and not attempting to prevent his intentions, than I'm "a parthner" and I also should be jailed for reason I see clear difference between this 3 groups I agree with what you said, just you can not bring down the problem to the riot itself. You know, people rioted for a reason and these were not only fascists. Also 3rd group is rather hard to isolate during riots, unless you want to become target of an attack. I saw picture of Klitschko trying to do exactly what you wrote and he got sprayed with fire extinguisher by his rioting "partner". That's what I can't realise, Klitschko positioning himselft as one of the oppositions leader, and protestors simply don't respect him, his attempts and so on. It means riots are completely uncontrolled, and don't u think, is it scary? You need to distinguish between parliamentary opposition with so-so presence on Maidan and the street opposition which will hold no one as their leader, unless he is one of their own, fighting along them. In fact, no one can control an angry riot, you can try to reason with it, but not control it. It's too late, everything is out of control by far. But the worst still might be ahead. Financial default is simple example :/ Ofc its out of control. Thats what happens when your government is to busy with enriching themselves to care about there country for many many years. The way out of that hole will always be painful but shutting your ear and pretending there is no problem doesnt help. If its not you failing the pain it will be your children or your grandchildren ect. At some point it will all blow up and the longer you wait with fixing it the worse the pain will be when it does go wrong. And make no mistake, it will always go wrong. Massive corruption like this doesnt fix itself. So is declaring anyone who is a protester a terrorist the way Yanukovich had in January.
I was talking in more general terms for the country but yes, declaring the protests illegal set up this "revolution". I doubt anything would have happened in the end if he hadn't taken that step.
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On February 28 2014 07:00 Derez wrote:
The demonstrations would never have succeeded in the first place if they weren't supported by a large part of the ukrainian public. The state security apparatus doesn't lose to a few percent of people rioting, the problem with situations like this is that more than half of the police are suddenly unusable because they can't be trusted and you have to ship in 'trustworthy' units. Any polling I've seen shows more than half of Ukrainians supporting the protests and more than that percentage demanding that yanukovich went away. You might have some extremists but it isn't half of the population.
Right, majority of people wanted to change government. But few of them wanted extremists to come as the main force, that is now actively spreading from west to south and east. Which protests people supported and which outcome they wanted, is it included in the polls...
Currently the parties participating in voting consist only of opposition, that means only half of Ukraine is represented there. I don't think people wanted this "democracy".
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