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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 07:21:18
June 15 2012 07:21 GMT
#5621
Good to know, thanks! Yeah, I also thought (as did the site off of which I read the eFG% info) that TS% is not very useful as well, since you're just lumping together all types of shooting into one number (at which point it becomes less representative of shooting ability because it's just an amalgamation of everything).
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
June 15 2012 07:24 GMT
#5622
On June 15 2012 15:47 Ace wrote:
Lebron isn't a streaky jumpshooter at all though, he's pretty fucking good and far above average. I think people remember his misses more than his makes.

Also scoring titles don't tell you much about someone's ability to score when taken without context. LeBron is playing alongside Wade (taking both of them out of the scoring race) and he still puts up monster scoring numbers on ridiculous efficiency. LeBron is a better scorer than Durant, the same way Wade is a better scorer than almost everyone else outside of Durant and LeBron.


Westbrook takes just as many shots as Durant and finished in the top 5 in scoring. Durant and LBJ are special they get points in different ways LBJ attacks and Durant takes the jump shot because you cant guard it. To argue who is the better scorer is pointless they can't be stopped.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 15 2012 07:26 GMT
#5623
Yea, I only included all encompassing stats since Durant is a better three point shooter than Lebron. .364 for Durant, and only .331 for LBJ, and I didnt want Durant fans to think I was purposely leaving out Durants strength when comparing the two.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 15 2012 07:26 GMT
#5624
Sure they both can't be stopped but why would it be pointless to argue who is the better scorer? To me the FG% over the years + the variety and effectiveness of guys like Lebron and Wade standout over Durant (not for long) and Westbrook pretty easily.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
June 15 2012 07:32 GMT
#5625
I wonder if LeBron's FG% accounts for his bulldozing to the rim and the refs giving him superstar fouls. He rampages to the rim way more than Durant.

I hate how charge/block are so subjective and that ends up making me hate guys who rely heavily on driving to the rim for fouls. I wish the rules allowed camping in the lane but that would make it jumpshooting contests. I know most people hate that but I don't mind and then there would be less ref whining. Also take out most of the subjective calls that dicatate how the game may be played.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 15 2012 07:39 GMT
#5626
If the rules allowed guys to camp at the rim offenses would explode. Too many good shooters in the NBA in the PF ranks. Add in the ballhandling of today's guards and having a guy sit in the lane would just mean even more Free Throws for the attacking team.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 07:42:52
June 15 2012 07:39 GMT
#5627
On June 15 2012 15:52 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 15:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Not really? 3 scoring titles in a row on a 5 year career compared to Lebron's 1 in 9. Lebron's a streaky jumpshooter who's just really efficient at attacking the rim. Lebron's overall game sets him apart from Durant, not his ability to score.

3 MVPs compared to what exactly?

Lebron is widely regarded as a better scorer than Durant, just look at eFG% from this year, and every year (except for maybe 2010 when Durant was going absolutely nuts in fg%).

Here, Ill do the looking up for you, since i like stats to prove my point, rather than opinions.


eFG% for Lebron James, the past 4 years.
2008-09, .530,
2009-10, .545,
2010-2011, .541
2011-2012 .554

(wow, that is fucking incredible)

For Durant
2008-09, .510
2009-10, .514
2010-2011, .509
2011-2012 .547

Looks like Durant this year, finally put up "Lebron-esque" numbers, but just came shy to actually trumping the king.

We can even look at TS% and see who this supports.

For LBJ
2008-09, .591
2009-10, 604
2010-2011, .594
2011-2012 .605

for KD35
2008-09, .577
2009-10, .607
2010-2011, .589
2011-2012 .610

Wow, for Durant being the "better shooter" their numbers are eerily similar, lets check their averages to see how close they really are.
Lebron is .5975
Durant is .59575

God damn thats close, so essentially they shoot the same %, but Lebron is more effective as scoring, hey what do you know, Lebron is a better scorer than Durant.

somebody's got a lot of spare time on their hands.
All i know is Lebron made around/less than a third of the shots he took from outside the paint in the playoffs based on shot charts from post-game. Depends on what you call a shot I guess.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
June 15 2012 07:42 GMT
#5628
On June 15 2012 16:26 Ace wrote:
Sure they both can't be stopped but why would it be pointless to argue who is the better scorer? To me the FG% over the years + the variety and effectiveness of guys like Lebron and Wade standout over Durant (not for long) and Westbrook pretty easily.


Its pointless because they can't be stopped no matter what team there on who they are against so why argue when we all know 30 points for them is cake. You can argue about other aspects of there game but not scoring.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 07:53:13
June 15 2012 07:51 GMT
#5629
On June 15 2012 16:32 Instigata wrote:
I wonder if LeBron's FG% accounts for his bulldozing to the rim and the refs giving him superstar fouls. He rampages to the rim way more than Durant.

I hate how charge/block are so subjective and that ends up making me hate guys who rely heavily on driving to the rim for fouls. I wish the rules allowed camping in the lane but that would make it jumpshooting contests. I know most people hate that but I don't mind and then there would be less ref whining. Also take out most of the subjective calls that dicatate how the game may be played.

If your skill in predicting of SC2 success is any indication of your basketball prediction skills, the NBA would be in pretty big trouble.

I kid, I kid. You could be joking or just have different parameters regarding "success/fail" (i.e. not pure popularity etc). In all honesty though I feel a bit dubious about what that would do. Rules exist for a reason--that isn't to say that rules should always remain static or stand unchallenged, but this one seems legitimate for the reasons Ace described.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 08:22:53
June 15 2012 08:22 GMT
#5630
On June 15 2012 16:39 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 15:52 Holcan wrote:
On June 15 2012 15:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Not really? 3 scoring titles in a row on a 5 year career compared to Lebron's 1 in 9. Lebron's a streaky jumpshooter who's just really efficient at attacking the rim. Lebron's overall game sets him apart from Durant, not his ability to score.

3 MVPs compared to what exactly?

Lebron is widely regarded as a better scorer than Durant, just look at eFG% from this year, and every year (except for maybe 2010 when Durant was going absolutely nuts in fg%).

Here, Ill do the looking up for you, since i like stats to prove my point, rather than opinions.


eFG% for Lebron James, the past 4 years.
2008-09, .530,
2009-10, .545,
2010-2011, .541
2011-2012 .554

(wow, that is fucking incredible)

For Durant
2008-09, .510
2009-10, .514
2010-2011, .509
2011-2012 .547

Looks like Durant this year, finally put up "Lebron-esque" numbers, but just came shy to actually trumping the king.

We can even look at TS% and see who this supports.

For LBJ
2008-09, .591
2009-10, 604
2010-2011, .594
2011-2012 .605

for KD35
2008-09, .577
2009-10, .607
2010-2011, .589
2011-2012 .610

Wow, for Durant being the "better shooter" their numbers are eerily similar, lets check their averages to see how close they really are.
Lebron is .5975
Durant is .59575

God damn thats close, so essentially they shoot the same %, but Lebron is more effective as scoring, hey what do you know, Lebron is a better scorer than Durant.

somebody's got a lot of spare time on their hands.
All i know is Lebron made around/less than a third of the shots he took from outside the paint in the playoffs based on shot charts from post-game. Depends on what you call a shot I guess.

As for my spare time, it took me, at max 12 minutes to write what I did, probably closer to 10, and most of it was spent tabbing between basketball-reference.com and teamliquid making sure my numbers were correct, I dont see 10 minutes of work to being to much, especially since I provide you, and other people, with the empirical evidence needed to claim that Lebron is the best scorer in the NBA currently.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 15 2012 08:25 GMT
#5631
On June 15 2012 17:22 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 16:39 Whatson wrote:
On June 15 2012 15:52 Holcan wrote:
On June 15 2012 15:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Not really? 3 scoring titles in a row on a 5 year career compared to Lebron's 1 in 9. Lebron's a streaky jumpshooter who's just really efficient at attacking the rim. Lebron's overall game sets him apart from Durant, not his ability to score.

3 MVPs compared to what exactly?

Lebron is widely regarded as a better scorer than Durant, just look at eFG% from this year, and every year (except for maybe 2010 when Durant was going absolutely nuts in fg%).

Here, Ill do the looking up for you, since i like stats to prove my point, rather than opinions.


eFG% for Lebron James, the past 4 years.
2008-09, .530,
2009-10, .545,
2010-2011, .541
2011-2012 .554

(wow, that is fucking incredible)

For Durant
2008-09, .510
2009-10, .514
2010-2011, .509
2011-2012 .547

Looks like Durant this year, finally put up "Lebron-esque" numbers, but just came shy to actually trumping the king.

We can even look at TS% and see who this supports.

For LBJ
2008-09, .591
2009-10, 604
2010-2011, .594
2011-2012 .605

for KD35
2008-09, .577
2009-10, .607
2010-2011, .589
2011-2012 .610

Wow, for Durant being the "better shooter" their numbers are eerily similar, lets check their averages to see how close they really are.
Lebron is .5975
Durant is .59575

God damn thats close, so essentially they shoot the same %, but Lebron is more effective as scoring, hey what do you know, Lebron is a better scorer than Durant.

somebody's got a lot of spare time on their hands.
All i know is Lebron made around/less than a third of the shots he took from outside the paint in the playoffs based on shot charts from post-game. Depends on what you call a shot I guess.

As for my spare time, it took me, at max 12 minutes to write what I did, probably closer to 10, and most of it was spent tabbing between basketball-reference.com and teamliquid making sure my numbers were correct, I dont see 10 minutes of work to being to much, especially since I provide you, and other people, with the empirical evidence needed to claim that Lebron is the best scorer in the NBA currently.

no need to be touchy about it
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 15 2012 08:56 GMT
#5632
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 09:41:01
June 15 2012 09:29 GMT
#5633
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote:
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.



Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, show us the stats.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
June 15 2012 09:32 GMT
#5634
Hmm, Battier is playing beyond himself now 2 games in a row. I doubt he can keep it up, he is a very streaky shooter. He maintains high shooting percentages by going for spurts where it seems like he cannot miss followed by air balls and bricks for a few nights. OKC may actually need to guard him. :3

Wade and especially Bosh both played fairly well, but the scary thing is they can give more. James hitting all his free throws is probably the most notable thing in this game from the big three. He's really been playing well every single game.

The home court is not much of an advantage for Miami unless it turns into a dunking contest to wow the crowd and make them interested. Miami is going to have to do what they can to keep from going behind early otherwise they'll be playing in a graveyard. However, OKC has been the team getting off to late starts and that bodes well for Miami and their bandwagon home crowd. Either way, it makes the series at least worth watching, maybe.
Never make a hydralisk.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 09:54:22
June 15 2012 09:42 GMT
#5635
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote:
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.



Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, show us the stats.


just go to basketball-reference.com and look at it

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html

I think people would be shocked when they see those numbers. Durant isn't exactly at their levels 5 years in but he's damn close.

ETA: And he's better than Wade in PPG while close enough in FG% to compare them as scorers 5 years in. LeBron is just a tad better in both.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 15 2012 09:43 GMT
#5636
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote:
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.



Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, so us the stats.

What? Why would I pull irrelevant stats from 5 years ago to prove that Lebron is a better scorer today? That makes no sense.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
June 15 2012 10:01 GMT
#5637
On June 15 2012 18:43 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote:
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote:
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.



Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, so us the stats.

What? Why would I pull irrelevant stats from 5 years ago to prove that Lebron is a better scorer today? That makes no sense.


Than why would you compare the few year stats when KD has been in the NBA for 5 years and James 9. In the 4th i want Durant, I don;t care if james is the best in the world.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 10:37:01
June 15 2012 10:33 GMT
#5638
On June 15 2012 19:01 thuracine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:43 Holcan wrote:
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote:
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote:
Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did.

I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man.



Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, so us the stats.

What? Why would I pull irrelevant stats from 5 years ago to prove that Lebron is a better scorer today? That makes no sense.


Than why would you compare the few year stats when KD has been in the NBA for 5 years and James 9. In the 4th i want Durant, I don;t care if james is the best in the world.

that's cute, still doesn't stop lebron from being a better scorer.


in the fourth I'm taking steve nash, kid canada is clutch as fuck, and his advanced shooting numbers trump lebrons and durants, so I pretty much win life.


I pulled 4 years worth of stats so people could look objectively and make their own conclusions based on evidence, I choose 4 years because any more would include durants rookie year, and that's unfair. I also choose 4 to prove that lebron has been a more efficient scorer during durants reign as scoring champ, to add to ace's comment that being a scoring champ doesn't mean a thing.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 15 2012 12:11 GMT
#5639
Unsung goat of Game 2 in my opinion was Sefolosha. Late in a close game he gets a board and decides he's going to be a fucking hero and then botches a lay in and the rebound.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Tiegrr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States607 Posts
June 15 2012 14:38 GMT
#5640
On the topic of greatest shooters.. Pistol Pete anyone?
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