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Yeah, I also thought (as did the site off of which I read the eFG% info) that TS% is not very useful as well, since you're just lumping together all types of shooting into one number (at which point it becomes less representative of shooting ability because it's just an amalgamation of everything).NBA Playoffs 2012 - Page 282
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Yeah, I also thought (as did the site off of which I read the eFG% info) that TS% is not very useful as well, since you're just lumping together all types of shooting into one number (at which point it becomes less representative of shooting ability because it's just an amalgamation of everything). | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On June 15 2012 15:47 Ace wrote: Lebron isn't a streaky jumpshooter at all though, he's pretty fucking good and far above average. I think people remember his misses more than his makes. Also scoring titles don't tell you much about someone's ability to score when taken without context. LeBron is playing alongside Wade (taking both of them out of the scoring race) and he still puts up monster scoring numbers on ridiculous efficiency. LeBron is a better scorer than Durant, the same way Wade is a better scorer than almost everyone else outside of Durant and LeBron. Westbrook takes just as many shots as Durant and finished in the top 5 in scoring. Durant and LBJ are special they get points in different ways LBJ attacks and Durant takes the jump shot because you cant guard it. To argue who is the better scorer is pointless they can't be stopped. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
I hate how charge/block are so subjective and that ends up making me hate guys who rely heavily on driving to the rim for fouls. I wish the rules allowed camping in the lane but that would make it jumpshooting contests. I know most people hate that but I don't mind and then there would be less ref whining. Also take out most of the subjective calls that dicatate how the game may be played. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On June 15 2012 15:52 Holcan wrote: 3 MVPs compared to what exactly? Lebron is widely regarded as a better scorer than Durant, just look at eFG% from this year, and every year (except for maybe 2010 when Durant was going absolutely nuts in fg%). Here, Ill do the looking up for you, since i like stats to prove my point, rather than opinions. eFG% for Lebron James, the past 4 years. 2008-09, .530, 2009-10, .545, 2010-2011, .541 2011-2012 .554 (wow, that is fucking incredible) For Durant 2008-09, .510 2009-10, .514 2010-2011, .509 2011-2012 .547 Looks like Durant this year, finally put up "Lebron-esque" numbers, but just came shy to actually trumping the king. We can even look at TS% and see who this supports. For LBJ 2008-09, .591 2009-10, 604 2010-2011, .594 2011-2012 .605 for KD35 2008-09, .577 2009-10, .607 2010-2011, .589 2011-2012 .610 Wow, for Durant being the "better shooter" their numbers are eerily similar, lets check their averages to see how close they really are. Lebron is .5975 Durant is .59575 God damn thats close, so essentially they shoot the same %, but Lebron is more effective as scoring, hey what do you know, Lebron is a better scorer than Durant. somebody's got a lot of spare time on their hands. All i know is Lebron made around/less than a third of the shots he took from outside the paint in the playoffs based on shot charts from post-game. Depends on what you call a shot I guess. | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On June 15 2012 16:26 Ace wrote: Sure they both can't be stopped but why would it be pointless to argue who is the better scorer? To me the FG% over the years + the variety and effectiveness of guys like Lebron and Wade standout over Durant (not for long) and Westbrook pretty easily. Its pointless because they can't be stopped no matter what team there on who they are against so why argue when we all know 30 points for them is cake. You can argue about other aspects of there game but not scoring. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On June 15 2012 16:32 Instigata wrote: I wonder if LeBron's FG% accounts for his bulldozing to the rim and the refs giving him superstar fouls. He rampages to the rim way more than Durant. I hate how charge/block are so subjective and that ends up making me hate guys who rely heavily on driving to the rim for fouls. I wish the rules allowed camping in the lane but that would make it jumpshooting contests. I know most people hate that but I don't mind and then there would be less ref whining. Also take out most of the subjective calls that dicatate how the game may be played. If your skill in predicting of SC2 success is any indication of your basketball prediction skills, the NBA would be in pretty big trouble.  I kid, I kid. You could be joking or just have different parameters regarding "success/fail" (i.e. not pure popularity etc). In all honesty though I feel a bit dubious about what that would do. Rules exist for a reason--that isn't to say that rules should always remain static or stand unchallenged, but this one seems legitimate for the reasons Ace described. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On June 15 2012 16:39 Whatson wrote: somebody's got a lot of spare time on their hands. All i know is Lebron made around/less than a third of the shots he took from outside the paint in the playoffs based on shot charts from post-game. Depends on what you call a shot I guess. As for my spare time, it took me, at max 12 minutes to write what I did, probably closer to 10, and most of it was spent tabbing between basketball-reference.com and teamliquid making sure my numbers were correct, I dont see 10 minutes of work to being to much, especially since I provide you, and other people, with the empirical evidence needed to claim that Lebron is the best scorer in the NBA currently. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On June 15 2012 17:22 Holcan wrote: As for my spare time, it took me, at max 12 minutes to write what I did, probably closer to 10, and most of it was spent tabbing between basketball-reference.com and teamliquid making sure my numbers were correct, I dont see 10 minutes of work to being to much, especially since I provide you, and other people, with the empirical evidence needed to claim that Lebron is the best scorer in the NBA currently. no need to be touchy about it | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man. | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On June 15 2012 17:56 Holcan wrote: Nobodies touchy, it took me two seconds to check time stamps and see it at max took me 12 minutes to write out what I did. I don't see why I would be touchy at all, I wasn't the one who was just proven wrong through evidence. But thats just like, your opinion man. Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, show us the stats. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
Wade and especially Bosh both played fairly well, but the scary thing is they can give more. James hitting all his free throws is probably the most notable thing in this game from the big three. He's really been playing well every single game. The home court is not much of an advantage for Miami unless it turns into a dunking contest to wow the crowd and make them interested. Miami is going to have to do what they can to keep from going behind early otherwise they'll be playing in a graveyard. However, OKC has been the team getting off to late starts and that bodes well for Miami and their bandwagon home crowd. Either way, it makes the series at least worth watching, maybe. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote: Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, show us the stats. just go to basketball-reference.com and look at it http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html I think people would be shocked when they see those numbers. Durant isn't exactly at their levels 5 years in but he's damn close. ETA: And he's better than Wade in PPG while close enough in FG% to compare them as scorers 5 years in. LeBron is just a tad better in both. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On June 15 2012 18:29 thuracine wrote: Compare Durants to his first 5 years against LBJ last 5 years. Be interesting to see LBJ first 5 against Durant, so us the stats. What? Why would I pull irrelevant stats from 5 years ago to prove that Lebron is a better scorer today? That makes no sense. | ||
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thuracine
United States582 Posts
On June 15 2012 18:43 Holcan wrote: What? Why would I pull irrelevant stats from 5 years ago to prove that Lebron is a better scorer today? That makes no sense. Than why would you compare the few year stats when KD has been in the NBA for 5 years and James 9. In the 4th i want Durant, I don;t care if james is the best in the world. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On June 15 2012 19:01 thuracine wrote: Than why would you compare the few year stats when KD has been in the NBA for 5 years and James 9. In the 4th i want Durant, I don;t care if james is the best in the world. that's cute, still doesn't stop lebron from being a better scorer. in the fourth I'm taking steve nash, kid canada is clutch as fuck, and his advanced shooting numbers trump lebrons and durants, so I pretty much win life. I pulled 4 years worth of stats so people could look objectively and make their own conclusions based on evidence, I choose 4 years because any more would include durants rookie year, and that's unfair. I also choose 4 to prove that lebron has been a more efficient scorer during durants reign as scoring champ, to add to ace's comment that being a scoring champ doesn't mean a thing. | ||
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