|
On January 07 2011 08:33 Fa1nT wrote:
SC2 will get more popular as SC1 gets less popular
SC2 will also get more popular when the games and maps are more balanced
SC2 is not even a full year old yet and already has large scale tourneys with hundreds of thousands of online viewers, how far into SC1's lifetime did it take for that to happen? At least a few years.
ah i love it :D
SC1 had no god damn esports background when it came out. and yet it made it this big? do u think SCII could make this?.
SCII has 10+ years of esports background and they are on a level where BW was dunno... like 9 8 7 years ago? now tell me if that is good or bad 
and i love what has 2 happen so SCII becomes "good". Need good maps and balance (:D balance wont happen. BW was lucky) and because this wont happen SCII will never be more popular.
|
is esports in general doing so well?
there could be many reasons gsl isnt doing so well. blizzard turned starcraft scene upside down when they came with their new game to korea and changed things how they wanted just because they could. maybe they have just built up an awful reputation that sc2 is the rivalry game of sc1
sc1 didnt have the finances that sc2 has,advertisement, tournamnets, sponsors etc and still it grew so much over the years and sc2 came with huge storm and it didnt become popular. it doesnt make sense im my brain when ppl tell me to wait for the game to get more popular because in a situation like this its just most likely going to get more unpopular or am i completely off here? xd
|
On January 07 2011 08:30 MrShank wrote:
i think the obvious is, using SEX.
yes thats right, having half naked korean girls on stage etc etc
SEX sells, MORE sex, SEX SEx sEx sEX seX
wooo sex
rofl. This guy has it right. Get some kpop stars on stage before the matches, and make it like an actual concert that opens for SC2, the "main event." And then you maybe charge people slightly less than typical ticket price for said kpop stars' concerts. And then you have thousands of people watching five ads and that makes everyone happy.
|
SC2 is just not as fun to watch. I mean I love artosis and Tasteless but even they can't bring any interest in this game. In 50% of the TvZ game is 2 barack bunker instead of epic Flash style macro then its just not worth watching. After season 2, I stopped watching GSL.
Another reason I dont like SC2 is units.
Marauder is completely stupid. I think it is the worst designed unit for a competitive gaming. It takes no skill to micro and it is impossible to micro from it. Terran litterally have no varuate, It is basically mm or mm+tanks. I really perfered the old dragoon versus marine micro. Another probably is other than teir 3 of toss, all other teir 3 are terrible. Most zerg just stick with ling, muta, and bling. Im not seeing anything special.
Last reason is too many crappy player. How does someone who only does SCV rush get to round of 16. I just can't believe it.
|
On January 07 2011 08:47 MorroW wrote:
is esports in general doing so well?
there could be many reasons gsl isnt doing so well. blizzard turned starcraft scene upside down when they came with their new game to korea and changed things how they wanted just because they could. maybe they have just built up an awful reputation that sc2 is the rivalry game of sc1
esports in general is doing fine. Bw still has a very sizable live audience and ratings, though they have fallen are strong enough still
|
On January 07 2011 08:47 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 08:30 MrShank wrote:
i think the obvious is, using SEX.
yes thats right, having half naked korean girls on stage etc etc
SEX sells, MORE sex, SEX SEx sEx sEX seX
wooo sex rofl. This guy has it right. Get some kpop stars on stage before the matches, and make it like an actual concert that opens for SC2, the "main event." And then you maybe charge people slightly less than typical ticket price for said kpop stars' concerts. And then you have thousands of people watching five ads and that makes everyone happy.
Obviously! Everyone knows sex sells!!!!
|
Fact of the matter is that we simply don't see that many interesting games in SC2 due to the very small map pools, and the strength of all-in and cheese builds. Both season 2 and season 3 championships were lackluster, with few if any interesting games. I don't see this changing until the maps change, and possibly some balance changes are made, but even then, SC2 appears to be designed in such a way as to make it very difficult to remedy this. Warp-in ability makes probe-cutting all-in very strong as unit travel times are nullified, whereas the mule means terrans economy is less dependent upon SCV count, making them relatively expendable and valuable in small battles. This, together with the ability to deny scouting so easily make SC2 a gigantic cheese/all-in fest unfortunately 
|
How about putting all matches during the day. Koreans can watch at work and Americans can watch in Prime Time.
|
On January 07 2011 08:50 TributeBoxer wrote:
How about putting all matches during the day. Koreans can watch at work and Americans can watch in Prime Time.
Than the time is just very bad for the europeans. As the number of starcraft players in the european region and the north american region are similar there wouldn't be an improvement. And the popularity in korea would go down, because it wouldn't be on prime time anymore.
|
Australia8532 Posts
Well given the 10 years that BW has had to establish itself within Korea, i think sc2 will be a force to be reckoned with. If blizzard continues to pump money and resources into tournaments and players the scene will increase. Balance and map pools will come with time; that is for certain. That accompanied with the large prize pool will surely create bigger names, bigger games and bigger audiences.
Sc2 is in it's baby stages of development; things do not just happen overnight.. and to this..
ah i love it :D
SC1 had no god damn esports background when it came out. and yet it made it this big? do u think SCII could make this?.
SCII has 10+ years of esports background and they are on a level where BW was dunno... like 9 8 7 years ago? now tell me if that is good or bad
and i love what has 2 happen so SCII becomes "good". Need good maps and balance (:D balance wont happen. BW was lucky) and because this wont happen SCII will never be more popular.
I cannot wait to make you eat your words
|
Well the quality of games may be a factor I also think the way this season is set up is a large one as well. It is overcomplicated and not easy for a casual fan to follow at all, and certainly has not been clearly communicated by GOM. Not to mention the hype for this season is basically non existant, it probably doesn't help that it is starting when day9, state of the game, etc.. are on break. I have friends who watched a ton of games all season long in GSL 1-3 but those same people are not watching this season and one that I talked to yesterday didn't even realize it was going on.
You can definitely make the argument the GSL 1-3 format is not the best format for getting good quality games or giving the highest skill players the best chance to advance far into the tournament, but you can't really argue that it was straightforward and exciting (the format, not all the games). This new system feels overdone and under promoted.
|
On January 07 2011 08:43 Deadlyhazard wrote:
But I haven't liked a Blizzard product since TBC in WoW, and even then I felt the original game had more magic. Bah.
It's kinda always like that though with every game, sequels never live up to the "magic" of the originals.
Even stuff like Super Mario back on SNES, just because of the good old memories I'll always think no super mario game lived up to the magic of the game back then even though many of the sequels has probably been a lot better and anyone today who tried out the old one would call it a piece of shit after 5 minutes.
|
On January 07 2011 08:47 hp.Shell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 08:30 MrShank wrote:
i think the obvious is, using SEX.
yes thats right, having half naked korean girls on stage etc etc
SEX sells, MORE sex, SEX SEx sEx sEX seX
wooo sex rofl. This guy has it right. Get some kpop stars on stage before the matches, and make it like an actual concert that opens for SC2, the "main event." And then you maybe charge people slightly less than typical ticket price for said kpop stars' concerts. And then you have thousands of people watching five ads and that makes everyone happy.
I think Tasteless has said before that bands have been part of starcraft 2 tournaments.
Also, if Koreans want to stick to BW that's fine. I mean, source could never displace 1.6. Well, SC2 is at least better than source. Anyway; if you want to play the best game with the best players and SC2 doesnt do it, then that's the end. But I dont think that's what will happen.
|
On January 07 2011 08:50 TributeBoxer wrote:
How about putting all matches during the day. Koreans can watch at work and Americans can watch in Prime Time.
ROFL!
Yeah, fuck Korea. Your home is where it's at! :D
|
On January 07 2011 08:46 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 08:33 Fa1nT wrote:
SC2 will get more popular as SC1 gets less popular
SC2 will also get more popular when the games and maps are more balanced
SC2 is not even a full year old yet and already has large scale tourneys with hundreds of thousands of online viewers, how far into SC1's lifetime did it take for that to happen? At least a few years. ah i love it :D SC1 had no god damn esports background when it came out. and yet it made it this big? do u think SCII could make this?. SCII has 10+ years of esports background and they are on a level where BW was dunno... like 9 8 7 years ago? now tell me if that is good or bad and i love what has 2 happen so SCII becomes "good". Need good maps and balance (:D balance wont happen. BW was lucky) and because this wont happen SCII will never be more popular.
Wow you know it almost SOUNDS like YOU want it to fail..
You do realize why SC was never popular but BW was right? Balance
IMO Balance is what makes a competitive scene viable and honestly that's what's will make or break SC2.
I'd wait at least till HotS before you start claiming SC2 could never reach BW popularity.
|
I don't get it, Blizzard actively tells the community that it needs to produce its own tournament maps since their ladder maps are designed to favor certain tactics and even races by the looks of things. Yet the GSL continues to employ these fail maps which produce awful game after awful game...
Not only that, but players are so inconsistent that even the pros keep losing to early game tactics, and until the game matures at least a little then these matches will continue to be incredibly short, boring, and predictable. It's not their fault per se, it just shows how much of starcraft has yet to be explored since many cannot consistently defend themselves early on.
If GSL wants to boost its popularity then it really needs to drop these fail ladder maps and start using some real tournament maps, everything else will slowly come with time but there is just no excuse anymore for these maps. They are so old and stale it couldn't be more clear that the community wants and needs more.
Edit: It's foolish to think that Korea should switch to SC2 just because it's new or because they need to start "thinking about the future". Keep it simple, IMO, and by that I mean if SC2 becomes more entertaining to watch than BW then the problem will be solved. The fact that it isn't entertaining enough by comparison is the problem, that's the only factor that will actually put SC2 ahead of BW as opposed to what should put SC2 ahead of BW.
|
lets be honest. balance or not is not really an issue as blizzard wont likely to make really shit balance and the auidence wont bother about it unless its outrageiously imba. its all about fun watching the games.
is it fun? are you sure? would you go to the stadium and watch the matches while you can sit at your sofa shut down the stream when you see scv marine all-in for some million times in a row while you can do it on your fucking own as good as those pros? lets agree that the strategies are very predictable these days. its blizzard's fault or whoever's fault i dunno but then its not fun to watch.
although i really would blame blizzard for all those measures and attitudes in esports and battle.net 0.2
|
I do got to also agree the maps are a big problem (surprise I know). There's nothing fresh, almost all of them promote stupid all ins, and frankly after being out almost a year it's time for a change.
|
5003 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:13 jalstar wrote:
GSL ceasing to exist would not be the end of SC2 in Korea, just the end of Blizzard/Gretech's monopoly. OGN had plans for an OS2L before Blizzard stepped in.
OGN had no such plans. It's just an Artosis/Chinese rumor
|
I think the issue lies in that SC2 is fun to play but not so much to watch.
I enjoy TvZs since they remind me so much of BW, and TvTs are getting better at times, but all protoss matches are just huge blob fights.
The game it self is lacking in the micro department. The value of 1 unit means nothing, while losing 1 unit in BW was a death sentence. watch some BW and notice how big the armies really are. 4 Dragoons early game is a huge threat, while 4 stalkers are like w/e. 4 dragoons are intresting to watch, 4 stalkeres aren't. Armies are blobs, and battles can't be seen behind the massive HP bars and flashing lights.
Alot of units dull down the game. Infestor Fungal prevents micro, FF prevents micro, Concussive Prevents Micro.
And all the cool spells are being nerfed because their to easy to do due to Smart Casting.
Finally, i believe the skill cap is making the game less appealing. What Make BW interesting is knowing im in capable of doing that which gives it the wow factor.
Example: What would you rather watch the NBA or High school basketball. NBA of course because you know that their skill is so high that it creates this wow factor of what they can do.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
