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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:20 Dont Panic wrote: I think it's more of Blizzard's fault than GOMs. The units aren't as interesting and the maps are terrible. i think this is a valid point | ||
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[wh]_ForAlways
United States235 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
OGN/MBC has years of experience, regular broadcasting times and an existing viewerbase to work with, GOMTV has none of those (Well maybe regular broadcasting times, but there's too little data to specify what is regular for the GSL at the moment). | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
I did watch the boxer game live the other day and THAT was exciting. Action all over the map. They need to add macro maps to SC2 really bad, that's what was exciting about BW for me. as for ways to improve the GSL, I'm not really sure. Hasn't it been massively advertised in SK? If not, then that might work... | ||
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:15 acie wrote: actually I would wait to see until the final 16 code s tourny to start before judging the popularity, These group stages aren't particularly compelling Tomorrows games are something we can judge by, if only 10 people show up on the day July, Nada, IrOn and InCa are playing, then they've got a problem :p But honestly I think a lot of it is just because of how Blizzard have been acting in SK now around SC2 launch and they trust the already established BW scene instead of gambling on that the SC2 scene will be awesome and not crash and burn. All the advertisement bullshit before SC2 launch and suing OGN/MBC and demanding that they should shut down the leagues until negotiations are done. (Not siding with anyone on this issue to be honest and that's not the point either, but no matter who the big bad wolf is here, it certainly makes both Blizzard and GOMTV look pretty bad even to me, I'd imagine it's a lot worse to many koreans that are much closer to the BW scene.) | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
I never played broodwar, but it's really easy to get caught up in the scene. I barely even know what I'm watching but it just seems like broodwar games are so much more entertaining and in-depth than what I've seen in SC2 lately. A lot of the games I've seen in the GSL recently(especially season 3) were just awful. The quality(both player skill and entertainment value) of SC2 games can't compete with broodwar yet IMO. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Alot of BW fans think that if SC2 didnt exist, their game would be super popular again in Korea, but thats just not looking at the situation correctly. Gamers in Korea are more interested in MMO's now than ever before, in 2001 MMO's were merely browser based casual games in Korea, now they are easily more popular than the more competitive 1on1 type of games like BW and SC2. However im sure even GOM knows that it took years before SC really took off in Korea, so they know they have to be patient. We foreigners are only entertained because we get to see Jinro, Idra, TLO (previously), Ret, but the actual quality of matches is lacking in general. Thats enough for us, but for Koreans they need quality games to be interested. Out of the 3 GSL finals, we only had 1 great game, MC vs Rain on LT, that is obviously my own opinion but i think many people share that or at least similar opinions. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/220245253.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1294357479&Signature=vqd86CXr9YK2Zsqd3wsx1c14DAw%3D) http://twitpic.com/3n4mbp Thought it would be somewhat relevant here... Go nuts. | ||
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debasers
737 Posts
Yeah, the units are too poorly balanced. I mean, the game might be balanced, and some units are interesting, but still you get matchups like PvP which are just stupid. | ||
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Jacuzzi
United States528 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:20 Turgid wrote: Someone from Something Awful posted an article in Korean that he claimed said that the Koreans have complained about the quality of the games and apparently even think the players play too many games, or something like that. The first point is extremely valid. SC2 has many bad games at this point in time. It happens. I'm personally still entertained by a good 1base timing push but I can definitely understand how it would be lame or not fun to watch, especially compared to Brood War. I'm an SC2 noob but I started watching MSL and those dudes are sick. its a important point imho. many many recent games (esp in gsl3) were plain terrible. going somwhere just to see totally boring games is not something wanna will do. the average sc2 game just doesnt deliver as often as the average bw game does. add how the "wow i could never do that" factor is almost gone in sc2 , how there isnt the whole scene with the drama established like bw has it and its not hard to understand why ppl arent as excited. On January 07 2011 08:18 mark05 wrote: I dont know much about the location of these recordings but if i was like 50miles away id go each time i can, and im not korean. Could it be some kind of protestation or they just don't liek the game? doubt i would do the drive often. when ppl i really like play sure (foreigners,boxer,july,nada,mc etc) but other then that meh... | ||
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MrShank
Canada144 Posts
yes thats right, having half naked korean girls on stage etc etc SEX sells, MORE sex, SEX SEx sEx sEX seX wooo sex User was temp banned for this post. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:28 kuresuti wrote: GSL has still existed for a very short time compared to BW. It's much easier for the average viewer to get interested if you could just zap the channels and see some SC2 there. With just a streaming service at the moment there's nothing weird about SC2 having less viewers, it has nothing to do with BW being more enjoyable to watch or whatever. OGN/MBC has years of experience, regular broadcasting times and an existing viewerbase to work with, GOMTV has none of those (Well maybe regular broadcasting times, but there's too little data to specify what is regular for the GSL at the moment). This argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sc2 had a natural opportunity to inherit or interest a large viewer group that does not need to be convinced to watch a video game on "tv". Instead, that group has largely shunned the game within Korea. And your post ought to bring up a second question; one which has been asked ad nauseum... Why were exclusive rights given to a company with so little experience in the first place? On January 07 2011 08:23 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Although I disagree that we need Korea for E-sports to work, I do have to agree that my faith has been shaken in Blizzard caring about E-Sports. ESPORTS as a whole works fine, even in the West. MLG seems to really have something going, Dreamhack has something going, ect. But if we want Sc2 to work along the Korean model of ESPORTS, which parallels somewhat the model of major sports in the US and Europe, then I can't see any way that can be achieved without Korea itself being a participant. | ||
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Yurie
11683 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I understand we are borderline insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but this is the first time in like 8 years of following pro SC that I have been this out of the loop of tournaments. The kicker being we actually have English commentary now in the #1 league (albeit the only league, but still) I've felt generally apathetic about the state of Korean SC2 for a while now. I tune into foreigner stuff, but I just don't care about the Korean scene | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
SC2 will also get more popular when the games and maps are more balanced SC2 is not even a full year old yet and already has large scale tourneys with hundreds of thousands of online viewers, how far into SC1's lifetime did it take for that to happen? At least a few years. | ||
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pfods
United States895 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:21 tree.hugger wrote: Korea has the interest, infrastructure, and legacy; they're nowhere near getting supplanted as the worldwide mecca of ESPORTS. If Sc2 fails as an ESPORT in Korea, then it will have failed as an ESPORT period. Success at the occasional big lan and WCG is nowhere near the kind of exposure or success that the Korean BW model has achieved. Plenty of games fit into the Western model, but the goal all along has been for Sc2 to aspire to something higher than that. And I'm less convinced than you are that Blizzard cares about the future of ESPORTS. I'm pretty positive that they're either completely incompetent, or they don't care in the slightest. I really don't think korea is a necessary component for esports. At the moment it is as it's the most successful place to go for your esports career. But I have faith that if korea has a massive failure as far as the popularity of starcraft 2 goes, then other companies/sponsors/people will take the initiative. I think it was MLG that just go a huge boost in funding to expand and improve. Now I know it was in vogue to make fun of the big north american tournaments while they were going on, but they were a huge deal for the esports scene in this country. | ||
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:33 Fa1nT wrote: SC2 will get more popular as SC1 gets less popular SC2 will also get more popular when the games and maps are more balanced SC2 is not even a full year old yet and already has large scale tourneys with hundreds of thousands of online viewers, how far into SC1's lifetime did it take for that to happen? At least a few years. what if sc1 doesnt become less popular? Most of us here on teamliquid dont want sc1 to become less popular and i dont think its any different in korea. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 07 2011 08:29 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: its a important point imho. many many recent games (esp in gsl3) were plain terrible. going somwhere just to see totally boring games is not something wanna will do. the average sc2 game just doesnt deliver as often as the average bw game does. add how the "wow i could never do that" factor is almost gone in sc2 , how there isnt the whole scene with the drama established like bw has it and its not hard to understand why ppl arent as excited. +1 like to me i dont give a damn to code a/s tour atm caused' i know they are too many bad players in them=_= i just give it a look when boxer/idra/jinro/mc/fd/nestea etc solid players in there. and the 1/2 base play by most players r simply boring to watch - cheese looks so bad and macro game is usually one sided. | ||
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