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On October 12 2010 13:19 Coagulation wrote: he said he was lonely so it was probably a cry for attention. That's pretty stupid what good is attention when you are dead(not to say that isn't the reason, just that it's amazingly dumb) | ||
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Dali.
New Zealand689 Posts
In photos, I noticed he was wearing a T-shirt with the famous Nike slogan, "Just Do It", in large letters across the front. I highly doubt this was an accident. He was making his final moments into a performance of sorts, and it was probably planned prior to his actions. To me it seems that, having made up his mind to end it, he was able to see things in a macabrely humorous manner. It is a shame that it had to end like this. He was probably a nice guy that we could have all gotten along with and maybe in a better world he could have been helped. But he seemed resolute in his actions, and this world isn't made for everyone. In my opinion, his suicide shouldn't be looked upon as disgusting or weak, but as a point of solemn contemplation: He was unsatisfied with his life so he took the measures he saw fit to remedy this. His act, to me, is an affirmation of a man's autonomy over his life. He undertook an action of almost unparalleled taboo because, for him, it seemed the best option. All I hope is that his final thoughts were peaceful because what else is there to hope for? | ||
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:13 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: Thousands of people die every second, it's true. Some of those deaths are tragic and sad, and others are not. And the degree to which we feel pain and loss will necessarily depend on how close we are to a person who dies. However, none of that matters here. When a tragedy happens, it's weight isn't diminished by the frequency of similar tragedies. If anything, it's amplified. Furthermore, it's impossible to escape the fact that people who took pleasure in this man's death, or in the fantasy of it, have done something deplorable. And to people who don't recognize the tragedy here -- you live in a very small world indeed. Clarify the tragedy for my "small world" then. If he killed himself and went through with it he probably had a pretty good reason and then chose to do it himself. There is nothing tragic here. I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:22 travis wrote: That's pretty stupid what good is attention when you are dead(not to say that isn't the reason, just that it's amazingly dumb) suicide attempts are often a cry for help, where the person doesn't really want to die. in this case, maybe he did broadcast it because he kinda hoped someone would stop it in time. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
As for why he streamed it, it seems fairly obvious that attention is the motive, in just the same way that people update their facebook status, or twitter or w/e else it is. | ||
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Unstable
Sweden64 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:18 travis wrote: So did he give any reasoning as to why he wanted to stream this? Just to bum a lot of people out? Or was it a "revenge on the world" type deal? Apparently 'he' had been thinking about suicide for some time. Considering how he was obviously prepared to go through with it (web-casting setup, priorly tried to strangulate himself to understand how it could feel to do it for real, asked on facebook for alternatives to regular rope), it might be the case that he was just trying to set himself up in a scenario where he couldn't back down; ie. in front of a crowd. | ||
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kawatan
288 Posts
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:32 BulldogBCN wrote: suicide attempts are often a cry for help, where the person doesn't really want to die. in this case, maybe he did broadcast it because he kinda hoped someone would stop it in time. More often it's because they want to kill themselves. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote: Clarify the tragedy for my "small world" then. If he killed himself and went through with it he probably had a pretty good reason and then chose to do it himself. There is nothing tragic here. I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. I'm not going to get in a flame war with you over this. I also note that I didn't call you out -- you self-identified here. A suicide is a tragedy because it represents missed opportunity, and because it means that a person lived in a condition that he considered to be unbearable misery. He will never experience love, joy, or pain again, and nobody will ever get the chance to interact with him again. The universe is a poorer place by exactly one person. I'm sorry you can't see the tragedy in that. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
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Phiggot03
Vietnam132 Posts
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:43 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: I'm not going to get in a flame war with you over this. I also note that I didn't call you out -- you self-identified here. A suicide is a tragedy because it represents missed opportunity, and because it means that a person lived in a condition that he considered to be unbearable misery. He will never experience love, joy, or pain again, and nobody will ever get the chance to interact with him again. The universe is a poorer place by exactly one person. I'm sorry you can't see the tragedy in that. That's death in general, not specific to suicide. But I do agree suicide can be tragedy but under different rationales. Suicide extends beyond the individual who decided to suicide but is often a reflection of some of the general flaws in our society. For example the girl who killed herself for being called a slut by classmates for sleeping with the senior just brings up the general problems of school bullying, unequal gender roles, etc... that all lead to the death. So the real tragedy isn't the loss of life imo (although it's bad) but rather the subtle flaws in our society that pushed the person to die, and how society continues to neglect or focus on why these deaths occurred. Some movement has been made towards bullying and such, but in reality nothing happens. Someone dies, we hold a funeral, grieve a bit, then move on as if nothing happened. That's the real tragedy. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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kernipu
Germany193 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:35 LeaF_SD wrote: Why would it fly in court. It's a suicide whether or not someone encouraged him to do it. You do know that you can be sentenced for "murder by negligence" if you actually encourage someone to commit suicide and he did? | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:52 aztrorisk wrote: I found this link on the website, however I didn't want to look at it because of what it might contain. Can somebody look at it and tell me. EDIT: Link removed due to nature of content. It's him... rather, his body. From what I can see, it seems to be only a couple of minutes after his death; no pale / mottled skin. Still quite disturbing. | ||
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Thoreezhea1
United States532 Posts
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:35 throttled wrote: More often it's because they want to kill themselves. look up the term "parasuicide". i'm not making this up. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:52 aztrorisk wrote: I found this link on the website, however I didn't want to look at it because of what it might contain. Can somebody look at it and tell me. http://data.fuskbugg.se/skogsturken/20101011132304.jpg Dude ...  Close thread please. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:52 aztrorisk wrote: opps sorry, no links my bad its him hanging it doesnt bother me.. internet has blackend my soul. | ||
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