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On October 12 2010 12:00 Mellotron wrote:
10 years to life for anyone participating in the chat at the time he killed himself. 25 years to life for whoever runs the forum it took place in.
The Mellotron Principle Of Distributed Suffering: If one man dies, immediately try to ruin the lives of as many other people as possible, so that the tragedy gets all spread out and doesn't coagulate.
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Ugh. Feels bad just reading the OP -_-
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On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not.
Oh my god the ignorance.
It is the retarded ideology like that which prevents people from seeking help when depressed.
Suicide is a mental illness. This isn't the theory of evolution here - it isn't the weak will die and the strong will live through suicidal tendencies. It is more than just sheer willpower and coping with stress.
Yeah screw suicidal people. They brought it on themselves. Just like the anorexic and bulimic people. How fucking hard is it to fucking eat some food? Or how hard is it to not purge after eating a meal? Who cares about the social constructs the media and entertainment has created. Every model is photoshopped, every actress and actor sits through hours of make-up and maintenance through the cast of a movie or television series, and people are told that if they don't look a certain way they just won't appeal to the opposite sex. If you aren't pretty, if you don't look like this girl on MTV, you aren't fulfilling your gender role. Girls aren't supposed to be fat. They have to be skinny and beautiful.
And after through social conditioning and being brought up in this current world, the only thing you can seem to understand is that you're never going to be good enough. Whether it be how skinny you are, how successful you are, or how happy you are.
If you don't think middle school girls dying from anorexia is tragic then you obviously have a very shallow understanding of how ironic and tragic that is. And you honestly think suicide is any different? We grow up in a world where all our role models are happy and problem-free. We are taught to be happy, and any behavior otherwise is shunned. Especially for males. You know what happens when you seem depressed in school? People don't want to help you, they fucking ignore you. They dissociate themselves with anything that they don't perceive to be normal behavior. You know what else isn't perceived as normal behavior? OH SHIT HERE IT COMES... ASPERGER'S.
Suicide is a difficult situation to assess because of how individual and unique each case is.
But I'm really glad so many people in this day and age love to form opinions and think they can understand better what suicide is than a practicing psychologist with half a decade of knowledge and hands-on experience. Even if someone truly believes for whatever hilarious reason that suicide is for weak people - hopefully they can smarten quick and shut the fuck up before they become the exact same people who might've pushed this guy over the edge. If you're not helping the situation, just shut the hell up. How hard is it? How many people need to die from harassment and suicide-encouragement until people get a clue?
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On October 12 2010 12:31 Momentous Momentum wrote:
RIP.
I respect his decision. Also, he didn't make a mess, which is courteous.
Saying he doesn't make a mess when doing this is kinda intolerant. The lives of his family will NEVER be the same after this.
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Dude that must of been absolutely horrible to witness. Don't feel to down man, at least you weren't one of the assholes that edge him to do it. You tried to stop it.
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On October 12 2010 13:09 lvatural wrote:
I think people are forgetting the fact that this is not a "normal" kid. He had Asperger/Austism or something thus didn't do well in social situations so decided to kill himself because he was "lonely."
The sad part about this is that his situation could have been easily remedied if people in real life actually gave a shit and tried to help him out. Maybe it's his fault that he didn't search for help, but it's likely he did and was just dismissed by those around him. So, again, focusing on "being trolled in a forum" is missing the real point that our community has a flaw of neglecting/turning a shoulder against the needs of the mentally disabled. Sure there are people who care, but the general public will turn a blind eye when some mentally disabled guy reaches out to you for help. Expecting people on the internet to be accommodating when society in general dismisses the problem is really a backward approach towards fixing the problem.
Meh. Guy should've chosen something other than strangulation. That must've been a bitchy way to die.
OMG Aspies are not mentally disabled. You could seriously offend someone, wow.
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Guess you should hang around more in these forums to prevent such stuff in the future.
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On October 12 2010 13:58 Coagulation wrote:its him hanging it doesnt bother me.. internet has blackend my soul.
You sir, deserve a medal.
I don't even dare to click on that link.
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Theres a Brazilian forum named forum off where these kinds of weird shit happened, a guy made up a fucking HUGE ASS RIDDLE saying people had 48 hours to guess what it was, and like 20 hours later he killed himself.
what a troll
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On October 12 2010 09:53 Mutaahh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:26 MagisterMan wrote:On October 12 2010 09:25 Sanguinarius wrote:
Thats horrible, I hope it wasnt real :-( Sadly it is real. Swedish news sites have written about it.. Show nested quote +
sorry to go of topic on this.
What you said makes no sense at all!??!!?
because the Swedish news sites write about it, it is real?
LOLOLOL, beware what you believe, Dutch media site geenstijl.nl already fucking around with fake news, and trust me. Actual highly respected news sources thought it was real. But it was just to point out how unreal they are...
sorry for off topic read the post above this one
Yeah I know I sound a bit naive there lol, but I think it is kind of far fetched to think it was not real when you actually see on the stream that police officers break into the guys house. That in combination with that it was reported in the news made me think that this is not a regular internet troll as many had predicted.
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sick fuckers are making joke threads about that guy. Several people have downloaded the pictures and now there is even a torrent with all of them on the piratebay.. Some dude is working on a a movie and gifs.. Haven't encountered this kind of cruelty for a lot time. Inhuman internet morons.
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At first, reading some of these skewed and terrible opinions on suicide frightened me.
Now I realize that I need not do anything but remember who they're coming from: kids trying to sound tough on the internet and take a "realist" view of life.
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wow....
that's so fucked up 
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On October 12 2010 14:16 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. Oh my god the ignorance. It is the retarded ideology like that which prevents people from seeking help when depressed. Suicide is a mental illness. This isn't the theory of evolution here - it isn't the weak will die and the strong will live through suicidal tendencies. It is more than just sheer willpower and coping with stress. Yeah screw suicidal people. They brought it on themselves. Just like the anorexic and bulimic people. How fucking hard is it to fucking eat some food? Or how hard is it to not purge after eating a meal? Who cares about the social constructs the media and entertainment has created. Every model is photoshopped, every actress and actor sits through hours of make-up and maintenance through the cast of a movie or television series, and people are told that if they don't look a certain way they just won't appeal to the opposite sex. If you aren't pretty, if you don't look like this girl on MTV, you aren't fulfilling your gender role. Girls aren't supposed to be fat. They have to be skinny and beautiful. And after through social conditioning and being brought up in this current world, the only thing you can seem to understand is that you're never going to be good enough. Whether it be how skinny you are, how successful you are, or how happy you are. If you don't think middle school girls dying from anorexia is tragic then you obviously have a very shallow understanding of how ironic and tragic that is. And you honestly think suicide is any different? We grow up in a world where all our role models are happy and problem-free. We are taught to be happy, and any behavior otherwise is shunned. Especially for males. You know what happens when you seem depressed in school? People don't want to help you, they fucking ignore you. They dissociate themselves with anything that they don't perceive to be normal behavior. You know what else isn't perceived as normal behavior? OH SHIT HERE IT COMES... ASPERGER'S. Suicide is a difficult situation to assess because of how individual and unique each case is. But I'm really glad so many people in this day and age love to form opinions and think they can understand better what suicide is than a practicing psychologist with half a decade of knowledge and hands-on experience. Even if someone truly believes for whatever hilarious reason that suicide is for weak people - hopefully they can smarten quick and shut the fuck up before they become the exact same people who might've pushed this guy over the edge. If you're not helping the situation, just shut the hell up. How hard is it? How many people need to die from harassment and suicide-encouragement until people get a clue?
I can offer you a few aphorisms, tell me how you like them.
-Beauty is what it is by virtue of being uncommon, difficult, rare.
-Dying to reach beauty isn't a tragedy to me. It's exceptional determination to achieve an exceptional and difficult goal. Maybe to you this type of wealth seems vain, maybe it is, who's to say? Most people do mortgage a lot of their youth for monetary wealth, don't they.
-Maybe some people are glad to have exceptional behavior. Maybe people should be glad, provided they can take it onto themselves.
-The strong individual perhaps does not allow himself to be valued less than he believes to be worth. The weak individual perhaps, surrounds himself with common people of common taste, like a slave to herd-instinct.
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There are hundreds of sucide troll threads on the forum each year so its not suprising no1 took him seriously at first.
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On October 12 2010 14:16 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. Oh my god the ignorance. It is the retarded ideology like that which prevents people from seeking help when depressed. Suicide is a mental illness. This isn't the theory of evolution here - it isn't the weak will die and the strong will live through suicidal tendencies. It is more than just sheer willpower and coping with stress. Yeah screw suicidal people. They brought it on themselves. Just like the anorexic and bulimic people. How fucking hard is it to fucking eat some food? Or how hard is it to not purge after eating a meal? Who cares about the social constructs the media and entertainment has created. Every model is photoshopped, every actress and actor sits through hours of make-up and maintenance through the cast of a movie or television series, and people are told that if they don't look a certain way they just won't appeal to the opposite sex. If you aren't pretty, if you don't look like this girl on MTV, you aren't fulfilling your gender role. Girls aren't supposed to be fat. They have to be skinny and beautiful. And after through social conditioning and being brought up in this current world, the only thing you can seem to understand is that you're never going to be good enough. Whether it be how skinny you are, how successful you are, or how happy you are. If you don't think middle school girls dying from anorexia is tragic then you obviously have a very shallow understanding of how ironic and tragic that is. And you honestly think suicide is any different? We grow up in a world where all our role models are happy and problem-free. We are taught to be happy, and any behavior otherwise is shunned. Especially for males. You know what happens when you seem depressed in school? People don't want to help you, they fucking ignore you. They dissociate themselves with anything that they don't perceive to be normal behavior. You know what else isn't perceived as normal behavior? OH SHIT HERE IT COMES... ASPERGER'S. Suicide is a difficult situation to assess because of how individual and unique each case is. But I'm really glad so many people in this day and age love to form opinions and think they can understand better what suicide is than a practicing psychologist with half a decade of knowledge and hands-on experience. Even if someone truly believes for whatever hilarious reason that suicide is for weak people - hopefully they can smarten quick and shut the fuck up before they become the exact same people who might've pushed this guy over the edge. If you're not helping the situation, just shut the hell up. How hard is it? How many people need to die from harassment and suicide-encouragement until people get a clue?
Thank you.
I invite all the people posting their "strongly held beliefs" in this thread to take an hour to actually read up about suicide. If you want to really appreciate the depth of this topic, research assisted suicide for those unable to kill themselves alone (see right to die).
If anything this thread reminds me of, it's that the biggest issue with humanity is not the bad people or the evil in our hearts. It is our indifference towards other beings.
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Would be cool if this thread was closed.
Discussing suicide in any way is rather disgusting.
:/
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On October 12 2010 15:01 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
At first, reading some of these skewed and terrible opinions on suicide frightened me.
Now I realize that I need not do anything but remember who they're coming from: kids trying to sound tough on the internet and take a "realist" view of life.
The art of always being right:
1) Declare that everyone else is terribly wrong.
2) Challenge their thesis by appealing to their motive .
I should try it, being right is awesome.
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If you find the content of this thread or nature of the discussion distasteful there is a wonderful option available to you.
You stop reading it.
The reason this is a "better" alternative is because of a logic jump underlying your reasoning
I find discussion of suicide in any way to be disgusting.
therefore discussion of suicide in any way IS disgusting
Therefore this thread should be closed on grounds of decency.
I've bolded your unfounded assumption so you do not make the same mistake in future.
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How could people have time to think about suicide? Its really stupid to think of killing oneself.
Such a waste.
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