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LeaF_SD
United States113 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:21 Mellotron wrote: Maybe it should fly in court. People would think twice before doing that again. Why would it fly in court. It's a suicide whether or not someone encouraged him to do it. And I don't even think that his decision would be any different because he had his mind set on what he was going to do when he made the topic. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:17 LeaF_SD wrote:And for everyone saying that the posters of the forums are monsters and blah blah blah....come on....look, how many trolls are there in the internet. ALOT. So how can you blame them for posting something like that. There's hundreds of trolls here on TL, how can they possibly know if something is a joke or not I bet most people who told him to do it didn't actually think he'd go through with it. Those who did are actually monsters. the rest just weren't thinking. If you're not sure if someone's serious or not why get involved? At best you\re feeding a troll, at worst you're pushing someone a little closer to suicide. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:32 BulldogBCN wrote: you're assuming harsh laws actually scare the shit out of those "mass idiots", so that they stop doing whatever stupidity it is they're doing. that's generally not the case. Well it wouldnt really matter if the law worked or not, theyd be put away. Therefore it works. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:34 Mellotron wrote: I cant recall. Something along the lines of "Attitudes Towards Technology" or something like that. Basically it talked about how younger generations will have percentages of people who arent as fascinated with newer technology as it becomes standard, and those generations will have a more skeptical view of how vital and useful those technologies are. Like TV. Its considered for morons. But the internet is somehow a magically place for the wise and informed. There will come a time when the internet is reduced to how we perceive TV now. Its like bnet 2 facebook integration. Yeah thats great i can add all my real life friends... so you rush out and dive into this great "new" technology. But then you realize its not really ideal. Be careful what you wish for. The internet is the same way. I dont see it going away any time soon of course. But i know so many people, especially younger people, who have defected from it and dont want anything to do with it unless they have to. Too many scams, too much sleaze, too much narrow spectrum of views being masqueraded as truth and law in the name of objectivity. Its just becoming a bummer. Letting anyone do anything is great until you realize who that "anyone" is. Sweet, thanks man. I'll be looking up something along those lines when I finish writing up my midterm here. Much appreciated :D | ||
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:08 Mellotron wrote: Those arent laws, im just talking about how you could clean up the internet. There needs to be more blame scattered less fairly to scare the shit out of everyone. They need to make it so if you are anywhere near it you are just as guilty. Its stupid and unfair but thats how you control mass idiots, which is pretty much what the world is filled with. Im not trying to be mean here, but anyone who would sit and watch someone kill themself online is pretty much a scumbag. I mean seriously, would you let your daughter be babysat by a dude who "hated" child porn yet sat and watched it all day as entertainment? People who sit and stare at morbid shit online its nothing more than just a TV show to them. It doesnt matter how "sad" you claim to be later. If you are in on it you are guilty. I dont know about you but its getting a little old. This is probably the most pretentious pile of shit I have ever had the displeasure of reading. What are they guilty of? Nothing "bad" happened here. What if that dudes life was really shitty? You have no idea what the situation was, and him killing himself doesn't "hurt" you in the slightest. Then you're trivializing his decision to take his own life saying "it's just like child porn" and saying other people are guilty of killing him? No one put the noose around his neck except himself. You're attempt to blame everyone else is reminiscent of mass idiot thinking in America based around one thing: Blame other people for everything. Love your high horse though, especially when you are clearly one of the idiots you're referring to. I hope you realize just how pretentious you are. Worse than a damn preacher. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:41 throttled wrote: This is probably the most pretentious pile of shit I have ever had the displeasure of reading. What are they guilty of? Nothing "bad" happened here. What if that dudes life was really shitty? You have no idea what the situation was, and him killing himself doesn't "hurt" you in the slightest. Then you're trivializing his decision to take his own life saying "it's just like child porn" and saying other people are guilty of killing him? No one put the noose around his neck except himself. You're attempt to blame everyone else is reminiscent of mass idiot thinking in America based around one thing: Blame other people for everything. Love your high horse though, especially when you are clearly one of the idiots you're referring to. I hope you realize just how pretentious you are. Worse than a damn preacher. I want to stay away from this one, because I don't want to contribute to a flame war, but look what you just said: Nothing bad happened here? A person is dead. A real person. Who are you trying to convince? Something bad happened. It doesn't hurt you? I imagine it was pretty fucking traumatizing watching someone die. Just 'cuz it doesn't physically harm you, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:48 MutaDoom wrote: I want to stay away from this one, because I don't want to contribute to a flame war, but look what you just said: Nothing bad happened here? A person is dead. A real person. Who are you trying to convince? Something bad happened. It doesn't hurt you? I imagine it was pretty fucking traumatizing watching someone die. Just 'cuz it doesn't physically harm you, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. It's not really "bad" if a person dies. This whole stigma against dying is pretty weird to me. Sure, when people are killed, THAT'S bad. This guy apparently wanted out of this world. He took painkillers, probably died calmly, except for the asphyxiation part. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:52 TOloseGT wrote: It's not really "bad" if a person dies. This whole stigma against dying is pretty weird to me. Sure, when people are killed, THAT'S bad. This guy apparently wanted out of this world. He took painkillers, probably died calmly, except for the asphyxiation part. I dunno, personally the whole "killing yourself (Probably unnecessarily, I can't say for sure) while people egg you on" seems pretty bad. Maybe I'm just a bleeding heart, but that's probably why I'm taking social work in school. | ||
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:48 MutaDoom wrote: I want to stay away from this one, because I don't want to contribute to a flame war, but look what you just said: Nothing bad happened here? A person is dead. A real person. Who are you trying to convince? Something bad happened. It doesn't hurt you? I imagine it was pretty fucking traumatizing watching someone die. Just 'cuz it doesn't physically harm you, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. As I said before in this thread there are thousands of people dying. Right now. Real people. You don't get traumatized over all of them, and for good reason. You shouldn't, if you were that empathetic you'd kill yourself too. The truth is none of us would have ever known about this if he hadn't streamed it. This dude streamed his death TO "traumatize" or at least get a reaction from the overly-empathetic mass, and it obviously worked. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing. It's his damn life, he can do whatever he wants with it. I'm saying that if you charge someone who watched it ten years it's an idiotic waste of taxpayer dollars (and a lot of it) just because they didn't care that someone they didn't know killed themself. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:59 throttled wrote: As I said before in this thread there are thousands of people dying. Right now. Real people. You don't get traumatized over all of them, and for good reason. You shouldn't, if you were that empathetic you'd kill yourself too. The truth is none of us would have ever known about this if he hadn't streamed it. This dude streamed his death TO "traumatize" or at least get a reaction from the overly-empathetic mass, and it obviously worked. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing. It's his damn life, he can do whatever he wants with it. I'm saying that if you charge someone who watched it ten years it's an idiotic waste of taxpayer dollars (and a lot of it) just because they didn't care that someone they didn't know killed themself. Sorry, I guess I should have worded that differently. I didn't mean to convey that I agree with charging people or any of that jazz, because I definitely don't. That wouldn't solve anything. I just meant that I absolutely think there was something bad that happened. Thousands of people dying are irrelevant, because they're not putting it online for people to stumble across. This guy did, and that's why this is "bad". People die, it's an inevitability. I just don't want to see it or think about it. Ignorance is bliss. | ||
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:37 Mellotron wrote: Well it wouldnt really matter if the law worked or not, theyd be put away. Therefore it works. i see, i thought you actually wanted this shit to stop. if your goal is to just throw everyone who does dumb shit on the internet in jail for life, i guess these laws would work. you'll need a hell of a lot of jails, though. i understand why you're angry, but sometimes bad things just happen and no one really is to blame. and of course, making laws based on anger is generally not a good idea. this reminds me of a case we had in spain a few years ago. a skinhead beat up a girl in the subway and a security camera filmed it. on the video you could see a teenager sitting a few rows in front who did nothing. the next day, everyone in the media started raging on the guy. they talked about how the youth was becoming insensitive and demanded harsher laws for these type of situations bla bla bla. well, the truth is the poor guy was scared as hell... anyone should be able to understand this. and while people were pointing fingers at him, the media seemed to forget about the true asshole of the story, wich of course was the skinhead who was commiting a crime in the first place. in this case, a guy killed himself live on the internet and people, at first, thought it was a joke. when they realised it wasn't, it was already too late (we'll never know if it could have beena voided at all). it's not the people watching that killed him, it was the guy himself... and it was his decision to broadcast it. he got to that point in his life without even knowing all the people you'd want to throw in jail now. so i don't think it's a good idea to start attacking the people who witnessed this tragedy. my guess is, most of them feel bad enough right now and they'll probably never be able forget this (especially the ones who encouraged him). as badass as some people like to present themselves on the internet, there are a lot less "monsters" running around than some people think. | ||
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Gerbeeros
101 Posts
My heart goes out for you if you witnessed such a sad scene live. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
The sad part about this is that his situation could have been easily remedied if people in real life actually gave a shit and tried to help him out. Maybe it's his fault that he didn't search for help, but it's likely he did and was just dismissed by those around him. So, again, focusing on "being trolled in a forum" is missing the real point that our community has a flaw of neglecting/turning a shoulder against the needs of the mentally disabled. Sure there are people who care, but the general public will turn a blind eye when some mentally disabled guy reaches out to you for help. Expecting people on the internet to be accommodating when society in general dismisses the problem is really a backward approach towards fixing the problem. Meh. Guy should've chosen something other than strangulation. That must've been a bitchy way to die. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
When a tragedy happens, it's weight isn't diminished by the frequency of similar tragedies. If anything, it's amplified. Furthermore, it's impossible to escape the fact that people who took pleasure in this man's death, or in the fantasy of it, have done something deplorable. And to people who don't recognize the tragedy here -- you live in a very small world indeed. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:02 MutaDoom wrote: Sorry, I guess I should have worded that differently. I didn't mean to convey that I agree with charging people or any of that jazz, because I definitely don't. That wouldn't solve anything. I just meant that I absolutely think there was something bad that happened. Thousands of people dying are irrelevant, because they're not putting it online for people to stumble across. This guy did, and that's why this is "bad". Empathy should be used as a tool, not a crutch. Even though we cannot control our emotions, we're intelligent beings that can realize when they are illogical. Think about it this way: Even if you see the video/saw the stream, next year same time, you won't even remember this guy. Your empathy is misguided. The shock value, even if its your first time seeing someone die, will wear off with time because it was not someone you were emotionally attached to. TBH though, I think you can have whatever you of ethics you please, as long as it doesn't involve incarcerating innocent people for retarded reasons. That's the only thing I got mad about. | ||
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