EPTLife's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014
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jinjin5000
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ejozl
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Yoshi Kirishima
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TequilaMockingbird
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nullrd
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 25 2024 05:31 nullrd wrote: which tournament in germany is oz talking about? Life never won any tournament in Germany according to liquipedia, so either Oz is remembering the story wrong or it was some kind of unofficial tournament/invitational, maybe something at a Gamescom? | ||
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argonautdice
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WombaT
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On March 25 2024 05:31 nullrd wrote: which tournament in germany is oz talking about? Is this Oz reminiscising? | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1423 Posts
On March 25 2024 05:57 Nakajin wrote: Life never won any tournament in Germany according to liquipedia, so either Oz is remembering the story wrong or it was some kind of unofficial tournament/invitational, maybe something at a Gamescom? probably somewhere foreign where he just misremember/misunderstood to be germany lol | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10332 Posts
On March 25 2024 06:23 argonautdice wrote: So all this happened when he was 18 or younger, which has me thinking, "Where the heck are his parents?" Teenagers should not be gambling away 30k or accepting 30k for match-fixing. Don't you need some kind of legal guardian? Wait yeah don't you have to be 18+ to enter casinos in most countries? | ||
Mizenhauer
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
So you go a little crazy. It doesn't happen to everyone, but its not uncommon. On March 25 2024 08:27 Mizenhauer wrote: I've known about this since 2016. Glad to see it come out publicly. You can say what you like about Life, but he was a selfish, degenerate gambler and his SC2 career ended exactly how'd you expect given the type of person he is (was). How about you share some more of that insider knwoledge?  Although I'm not sure giving 5k to the rest of the players would be considerred sellfish.Although it kind of raises the question of match fixing there... all of the players colluded to split the prize pool there? ISnt that kind of match fixing?, I was thinking for example that a GOAT list would make more sense for sc2 if we treat the game as 4 different games. WOL, HOTS, Legacy part 1 and Legacy part 2. In that case, I'd say the indusputed GOAT of HotS would be Life. So it's kinda funny we all ignore him. But still I don't know how he was behhind the scenes | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1423 Posts
On March 25 2024 08:30 [Phantom] wrote: It seems Life was very naive and foolish, with money. For many its difficult like that. You are young, you are super skilled so you win easy, you get a lot of money, you havent ever really had to "work" for it...or faced hardship to know you should save it... So you go a little crazy. It doesn't happen to everyone, but its not uncommon. How about you share some more of that insider knwoledge? Although I'm not sure giving 5k to the rest of the players would be considerred sellfish.Although it kind of raises the question of match fixing there... all of the players colluded to split the prize pool there? ISnt that kind of match fixing?, I was thinking for example that a GOAT list would make more sense for sc2 if we treat the game as 4 different games. WOL, HOTS, Legacy part 1 and Legacy part 2. In that case, I'd say the indusputed GOAT of HotS would be Life. So it's kinda funny we all ignore him. But still I don't know how he was behhind the scenes Isn't it fairly common practice for winner of tournament to treat his teammates/friends/staff with part of their winnings? This isn't really limited to koreans either. matchfixing is influencing the individual results for sake specific targetted results, not predetermined, "yo, let's have winner treat someone!" before games are even played. | ||
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Blargh
United States2102 Posts
I think one thing that these super successful early esports (also real sports) careers do is they disable youth and young adults from ever learning how to manage their life / career / finances / etc. They spend so much time playing a video game, and even making substantial amounts of money playing this video game, but never learn actual life skills to know how to manage that money. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2718 Posts
On March 25 2024 08:58 Blargh wrote: This is hilarious. The level of apathy Life had while still being so good at the game is pretty crazy. It's really not that surprising with everything that happened now I think one thing that these super successful early esports (also real sports) careers do is they disable youth and young adults from ever learning how to manage their life / career / finances / etc. They spend so much time playing a video game, and even making substantial amounts of money playing this video game, but never learn actual life skills to know how to manage that money. Very true. From PiG's GOAT list discussion video, he mentioned when Life was playing Maru at the grand final of IEM Taipei 2015 and won, he literally waltzed into the booth drunk and stank from a night out partying without showering. He just turned 18 at this point. Timestamp: | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1854 Posts
On March 25 2024 08:30 [Phantom] wrote: It seems Life was very naive and foolish, with money. For many its difficult like that. You are young, you are super skilled so you win easy, you get a lot of money, you havent ever really had to "work" for it...or faced hardship to know you should save it... So you go a little crazy. It doesn't happen to everyone, but its not uncommon. How about you share some more of that insider knwoledge? Although I'm not sure giving 5k to the rest of the players would be considerred sellfish.Although it kind of raises the question of match fixing there... all of the players colluded to split the prize pool there? ISnt that kind of match fixing?, I was thinking for example that a GOAT list would make more sense for sc2 if we treat the game as 4 different games. WOL, HOTS, Legacy part 1 and Legacy part 2. In that case, I'd say the indusputed GOAT of HotS would be Life. So it's kinda funny we all ignore him. But still I don't know how he was behhind the scenes Prize splitting is perfectly fine as long as every player remaining in the event agrees to the split. This is common practice in lots of card games such as Poker and Magic the Gathering. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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AlexGano
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a joke, just like himself | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1689 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1423 Posts
On March 25 2024 11:47 CicadaSC wrote: So sad what happened. We'll never know the full story. When I hear about how match fixing happens a lot of the time it seemed to me players were coerced with low level fixing or something negligible by team management, and then once u start it gets leveraged as blackmail to make players essentially puppets. its not like players were blind to it. Players get mandatory matchfixing/gambling training/education session after the whole BW matchfixing incident annually. | ||
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