EPTGuy hangs himself, streams it via webcam - Page 6
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Filo
United States54 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On October 12 2010 09:29 NicolBolas wrote: Someone who kills themselves in their own house with nobody around is one thing. However, you cannot tell me that someone killing themselves by advertising it beforehand and hanging themselves on a live webcast to anyone who would want to watch isn't being dramatic. That's pretty much the definition of drama. Such a person isn't interested in killing themselves. They aren't just ending their own life. No, they want to actively hurt the world they leave behind. That's not me being "unkind" to him; that's an objective assessment of what he has done. He specifically did not want to die alone; he wanted to hurt everyone who saw him. He wanted to make a point of his death. Subjectively, that is a foul thing to want to do to others. It's bad enough that his parents just lost a child, and any relations he had just lost a relative. No, he wants to make it as painful as possible for them, and some random strangers on the internet. A mind that wants to do this is not in a healthy place. And I feel sorry for him, that his mind was in that place. That doesn't mean that I can't also say that this was a horrible thing for him to do, and it shows that simply ending his life was not his goal. I don't agree with this. You can't say for sure that is his motive. To someone sitting on the other side of the computer it sure seems that way. But you're thinking in such a narrow way it is ridiculous. He probably spent days and weeks thinking about killing himself, and you're giving the situation an assessment in 5 minutes. This situation isn't dramatic. It is tragic. Him publicizing his suicide does not by any means equate into him being malevolent about it. You can't assume he found malice in what he did. When it comes to psychology you can't assume LOGIC is correct when putting yourself in people who are mentally unhealthy. That is the most absurd thing you could do. You won't ever fully grasp the situation, but the least you can do is view it from a spectrum rather than "this is what it seems like to the average person, so that is what it must be". So I'd say with great confidence that your assessment of what he thought is possibly inaccurate. What his actions actually did is a totally different story. That isn't the point though, now is it? I'm not interested in actions, because that is factual. You can't disagree that his actions left a horrible impact. Saying that he did it to be dramatic, to leave a mark and pain others, doesn't seem correct to me. Not that it isn't probable - it could be. Maybe he found solace and comfort in the fact that he wasn't going to die alone. What if he lived by himself? He was socially awkward, and possibly had no relationships. He just wanted the situation to matter to someone. Of course, the action itself causes pain, but his intention for himself could have been comfort. Maybe he wanted someone specific to see the video. When you're on the verge of killing yourself it is suffice to say that people don't write a life story - hence why I'm advocating 'you don't know, I don't know'. I just find it disrespectful to make an "objective assessment" out of someone who lived thousands and thousands of days to be judged by a news headline and someone's opinion of what the situation seems to be who couldn't say on the breath of their tongue what this person's name was, what their favorite color is, or the food they enjoy most is. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On October 12 2010 09:53 Mutaahh wrote: sorry to go of topic on this. What you said makes no sense at all!??!!? because the Swedish news sites write about it, it is real? LOLOLOL, beware what you believe, Dutch media site geenstijl.nl already fucking around with fake news, and trust me. Actual highly respected news sources thought it was real. But it was just to point out how unreal they are... sorry for off topic read the post above this one I guess he should have said "It's real because the newspapers have allready gotten a statement from the police". I doubt the entire policeforce would be in on it if it was a hoax... | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On October 12 2010 09:55 Eatme wrote: I dont really get why people feel sorry for his relatives. They did obviously not see the warning singns that most likely were around. They did not help him or cared enough to stop him in time. Also if he had loved them or cared for them he would not have done it. So in his mind I guess they got what they deserved. Suicide is not cowardly or selfish, I'm sure he tried and failed numerous times to fix his situation. It takes a huge amount of guts to kill yourself, it's nothing you do on impulse. And for him using smileys ect, apparently it's common for suicidial people to be happy before they take their own life, for obvious reasons. Their suffering is about to end. Sad that it had to come to this but one can only hope that his actions puts a spotlight on people with autism and maybe get them the help they deserve. Hopefully that might save a few lives down the road. Excellent black and white world view you got there. He explicitly stated in the thread that he had a good life and that him committing suicide didn't actually make sense. It's not always that easy for relatives to help someone suffering from depression, in fact they might not even be aware. My family friend's kid killed himself and it was all just a huge shock for them, they really had no idea. I can't even fathom what his family is going through right now.  | ||
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StarStruck
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Folca
2235 Posts
Do we have any background of this guy in hopes that we can understand why he did what he did? RosaParksStoleMySeat He probably could have gotten help and this all could have been prevented if he talked to somebody about how he was feeling. Unfortunately for him, society discourages "weak" behavior in males, and suicidal thoughts are most certainly considered weak behavior. You don't even need to look any farther than this thread to see just how stupid people can be when it comes to talking about suicide. That is precisely the reason why he did not reach out, why he did not talk to me about it, and why his loving parents didn't take him to a counselor. I completely agree with what you're saying. But whose fault is it that he couldn't reach out to anybody? Im not indirectly saying anything about him having fault, but I'm just wondering that he is potentially a spokesperson for those who have hard times holding talks with other people and that they do not like to express themselves for the fear of rejection and so on. Both men and women go through this process and its a matter of them reaching to whoever. Do they choose to wait for people to reach out to them? Or is it that they cannot reach out to others? | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 10:15 hifriend wrote: Excellent black and white world view you got there. He explicitly stated in the thread that he had a good life and that him committing suicide didn't actually make sense. It's not always that easy for relatives to help someone suffering from depression, in fact they might not even be aware. My family friend's kid killed himself and it was all just a huge shock for them, they really had no idea. I can't even fathom what his family is going through right now. i agree that it's not always (more like never) easy to help someone suffering from depression, but not be aware of the situation? hmm, you'd really have to try hard to ignore the "warning signs" there. i'm not saying it's the parent's fault or anyone's fault for that matter (none of us know what was really going on in his life)... but whenever i hear people saying "but he was completely normal and happy!" in cases like this, i must ask myself if they ever bothered to watch closely (again, not blaming anyone here). | ||
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tackklee
United States270 Posts
It's seriously a sad thing to think about, let alone witness. Hopefully he is resting in peace now. And hopefully you aren't scarred. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
Just hope is family is coping (somewhat) alright, and the witnesses aren't too devastated.. | ||
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themorningstar
United States22 Posts
I dunno if any of you have seen the movie "Gamer," but I couldn't even sit through the whole thing because it disgusted me so much. "Surely" I thought "Surely, people don't really act this way." Then I see stories of people suiciding on camera and other people goading them into it. How far have we fallen as people? | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
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throttled
United States382 Posts
What's so special about a human life? There's over 6 billion people on the planet. Common misguided sense of empathy ITT. There's thousands of people dying all over the world right now, yet you don't feel empathy for all of them. I wonder why that is? (Hint: Maybe because it doesn't affect you or matter to you in any realistic sense of the term.) It would be a lot different if any of you were his friends or family, but you're not. Probably none of you knew him. Obviously did it on cam to get your responses like this, and it worked gloriously. wp hangee, gg. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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FunkyLich
United States107 Posts
That said, this news makes me sad. It's an incredible tragedy whenever the world loses one of these phenomenal human beings. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
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Chesner
Iceland817 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:00 Mellotron wrote: 10 years to life for anyone participating in the chat at the time he killed himself. 25 years to life for whoever runs the forum it took place in. I highly doubt that, this is a Swedish forum, so crazy american laws don't apply | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
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