EPTGuy hangs himself, streams it via webcam - Page 7
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
 Be careful what you say on the internet, don't forget to be kind and supportive even on the internet, and don't forget that the person on the other end of the data line is as real as you are. | ||
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tpir
United States53 Posts
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HardcoreBilly
United States222 Posts
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:03 Chesner wrote: I highly doubt that, this is a Swedish forum, so crazy american laws don't apply It's bullshit anyway, would never fly in court. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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LeaF_SD
United States113 Posts
It was his choice to kill himself, no one forced a gun to his head and forced him to kill himself. If he feels like life isn't worth living anymore and he wants to end it, you know, I feel happy for him. No point for him to live if he doesn't want to anymore. This goes to everything in life. If you don't want to do something anymore, don't do it. And for everyone saying that the posters of the forums are monsters and blah blah blah....come on....look, how many trolls are there in the internet. ALOT. So how can you blame them for posting something like that. There's hundreds of trolls here on TL, how can they possibly know if something is a joke or not | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:09 MutaDoom wrote: I don't even know what to say... I refuse to look at it. It's pathetic how far we've fallen as There are some interesting books and articles written about attitudes towards technology that touch on these kinds of things. Basically technology is good, but human beings are pretty much just dumb animals. So you put tech in the hands of animals you dont get evolution. The internet is cutting edge which is something we normally regard as valuable, but to be honest its getting a little old. Of course there is plenty of good stuff out there. But the internet is basically a watering hole with almost no rules against what is acceptable and what isnt. That is not healthy for the average idiot human. When people say that harsh rules are bad because they take away rights, you got to remember that most people dont deserve as much rights as they have. Yeah maybe you and your mom are great people but for every couple of decent people there are hundreds who would punch somebody out for their shoes or stab somebody over an argument drunk. I live in the bad part of town, and i always have. People are pretty much mindless meat bags around here. They are easily led, easily fooled, easily controlled. Laws need to change to reflect the reality of how sleazy people really are. Id give up a ton of my freedoms to be able to walk down the street with out getting the shit beat out of me for no reason. Id also give alot of my freedoms to be able to come online and not hear about what the latest sick shit is thats turned into a meme before noon every single day. Keep that shit out of my face. Not every person on this planet thinks its awesome when other people get hurt or killed. Some of us would rather be focused on how to improve reality. | ||
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tpir
United States53 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:00 Mellotron wrote: 10 years to life for anyone participating in the chat at the time he killed himself. 25 years to life for whoever runs the forum it took place in. You sir are a gigantic idiot. "Hey someone on TeamLiquid just got busted for drunk driving, quick hunt down the moderators, they need to answer for letting these ne'er-do-wells even register." User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:13 throttled wrote: It's bullshit anyway, would never fly in court. Maybe it should fly in court. People would think twice before doing that again. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
And for everyone saying that the posters of the forums are monsters and blah blah blah....come on....look, how many trolls are there in the internet. ALOT. So how can you blame them for posting something like that. There's hundreds of trolls here on TL, how can they possibly know if something is a joke or not Even if it was fake it wouldn't be funny, and the trolls would still be lame. Bad behavior doesn't get a pass from me just because it's common or expected. Maybe those trolls will try to be better people now and won't take things so lightheartedly that shouldn't be made fun of. It's my opinion. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On October 12 2010 10:12 SCC-Faust wrote: I don't agree with this. You can't say for sure that is his motive. To someone sitting on the other side of the computer it sure seems that way. But you're thinking in such a narrow way it is ridiculous. He probably spent days and weeks thinking about killing himself, and you're giving the situation an assessment in 5 minutes. This situation isn't dramatic. It is tragic. Him publicizing his suicide does not by any means equate into him being malevolent about it. You can't assume he found malice in what he did. When it comes to psychology you can't assume LOGIC is correct when putting yourself in people who are mentally unhealthy. That is the most absurd thing you could do. You won't ever fully grasp the situation, but the least you can do is view it from a spectrum rather than "this is what it seems like to the average person, so that is what it must be". So I'd say with great confidence that your assessment of what he thought is possibly inaccurate. What his actions actually did is a totally different story. That isn't the point though, now is it? I'm not interested in actions, because that is factual. You can't disagree that his actions left a horrible impact. Saying that he did it to be dramatic, to leave a mark and pain others, doesn't seem correct to me. Not that it isn't probable - it could be. Maybe he found solace and comfort in the fact that he wasn't going to die alone. What if he lived by himself? He was socially awkward, and possibly had no relationships. He just wanted the situation to matter to someone. Of course, the action itself causes pain, but his intention for himself could have been comfort. Maybe he wanted someone specific to see the video. When you're on the verge of killing yourself it is suffice to say that people don't write a life story - hence why I'm advocating 'you don't know, I don't know'. I just find it disrespectful to make an "objective assessment" out of someone who lived thousands and thousands of days to be judged by a news headline and someone's opinion of what the situation seems to be who couldn't say on the breath of their tongue what this person's name was, what their favorite color is, or the food they enjoy most is. Can't agree more with your quote, and its really nothing more than a tragedy. There is so much limited information the least you can do is not peg him and his actions negatively. Sorry to hear this stuff..I can understand him a bit, I'm sure a lot of us can relate. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On October 12 2010 08:15 pewzzri wrote: I saw this and thought it was kinda exciting, i've never seen a suicide live. if you feel so bad about watching it why did you even watch it or read it? I do not understand people feeling bad about it, i mean in sweden around 1200 people kill themself every year that's ~3 people everyday you can "feel" bad about then? would it had been better if he didn't stream it since you wouldn't had known about it? Also he wrote on facebook just a few days ago that he needed a rope to hang himself and one of his friends told him to use the networkcord instead, and he seemed very calm while writing so i don't think if some random anonymous people would had told him to not do it instead of pushing for it he wouldn't had done it. You're sick. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:19 tpir wrote: You sir are a gigantic idiot. "Hey someone on TeamLiquid just got busted for drunk driving, quick hunt down the moderators, they need to answer for letting these ne'er-do-wells even register." There is a big difference between someone drinking and someone killing themselves while others encourage them on a forum. Let me ask you this, what would the world lose if all morbid shit was removed from the internet? What would it LOSE? Freedom? I doubt it. Sense of reality? I doubt it. Reality is what you focus on, its a fact. If you and your friends cant fap to dead people anymore thats too bad. The internet is kinda like the old witch burning days. Theyd find a witch and then burn her in the town square. But sometimes, people just probably wanted to burn somebody just to relieve boredom. And there were probably two kinds of people, those who thought burning people up was a bit sleazy and didnt like it, and other people who didnt care if she was even really a witch they just wanted to see something burn. I have no problem admitting which side of the fence im on. Other peoples suffering isnt entertainment. If you believe it is, then good luck to you, because you are doomed. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:18 Mellotron wrote: There are some interesting books and articles written about attitudes towards technology that touch on these kinds of things. Basically technology is good, but human beings are pretty much just dumb animals. So you put tech in the hands of animals you dont get evolution. The internet is cutting edge which is something we normally regard as valuable, but to be honest its getting a little old. Of course there is plenty of good stuff out there. But the internet is basically a watering hole with almost no rules against what is acceptable and what isnt. That is not healthy for the average idiot human. When people say that harsh rules are bad because they take away rights, you got to remember that most people dont deserve as much rights as they have. Yeah maybe you and your mom are great people but for every couple of decent people there are hundreds who would punch somebody out for their shoes or stab somebody over an argument drunk. I live in the bad part of town, and i always have. People are pretty much mindless meat bags around here. They are easily led, easily fooled, easily controlled. Laws need to change to reflect the reality of how sleazy people really are. Id give up a ton of my freedoms to be able to walk down the street with out getting the shit beat out of me for no reason. Id also give alot of my freedoms to be able to come online and not hear about what the latest sick shit is thats turned into a meme before noon every single day. Keep that shit out of my face. Not every person on this planet thinks its awesome when other people get hurt or killed. Some of us would rather be focused on how to improve reality. You wouldn't happen to have any article or book names that you're referring to? I'm actually really interested, I've been saying it for a while, and I'd love to have some statistics to back up my claim. It's just depressing referring to shit like this suicide stream | ||
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tpir
United States53 Posts
There is a big difference between someone drinking and someone killing themselves while others encourage them on a forum. Yes, there is, but this is a separate argument from the one you were making earlier, i.e. that the people who run/use the forum should somehow be responsible for other people's actions. I will not address the rest of your post because it is off-topic from your idiotic ideas, yet idiotic in its own new and exciting ways for anyone who is bored and wants to pick it apart. | ||
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Momentous Momentum
9 Posts
I respect his decision. Also, he didn't make a mess, which is courteous. | ||
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:08 Mellotron wrote: Those arent laws, im just talking about how you could clean up the internet. There needs to be more blame scattered less fairly to scare the shit out of everyone. They need to make it so if you are anywhere near it you are just as guilty. Its stupid and unfair but thats how you control mass idiots, which is pretty much what the world is filled with. Im not trying to be mean here, but anyone who would sit and watch someone kill themself online is pretty much a scumbag. I mean seriously, would you let your daughter be babysat by a dude who "hated" child porn yet sat and watched it all day as entertainment? People who sit and stare at morbid shit online its nothing more than just a TV show to them. It doesnt matter how "sad" you claim to be later. If you are in on it you are guilty. I dont know about you but its getting a little old. you're assuming harsh laws actually scare the shit out of those "mass idiots", so that they stop doing whatever stupidity it is they're doing. that's generally not the case. | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
On October 12 2010 12:27 MutaDoom wrote: You wouldn't happen to have any article or book names that you're referring to? I'm actually really interested, I've been saying it for a while, and I'd love to have some statistics to back up my claim. It's just depressing referring to shit like this suicide stream I cant recall. Something along the lines of "Attitudes Towards Technology" or something like that. Basically it talked about how younger generations will have percentages of people who arent as fascinated with newer technology as it becomes standard, and those generations will have a more skeptical view of how vital and useful those technologies are. Like TV. Its considered for morons. But the internet is somehow a magically place for the wise and informed. There will come a time when the internet is reduced to how we perceive TV now. Its like bnet 2 facebook integration. Yeah thats great i can add all my real life friends... so you rush out and dive into this great "new" technology. But then you realize its not really ideal. Be careful what you wish for. The internet is the same way. I dont see it going away any time soon of course. But i know so many people, especially younger people, who have defected from it and dont want anything to do with it unless they have to. Too many scams, too much sleaze, too much narrow spectrum of views being masqueraded as truth and law in the name of objectivity. Its just becoming a bummer. Letting anyone do anything is great until you realize who that "anyone" is. | ||
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