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On October 12 2010 13:09 lvatural wrote:
I think people are forgetting the fact that this is not a "normal" kid. He had Asperger/Austism or something thus didn't do well in social situations so decided to kill himself because he was "lonely."
The sad part about this is that his situation could have been easily remedied if people in real life actually gave a shit and tried to help him out. Maybe it's his fault that he didn't search for help, but it's likely he did and was just dismissed by those around him. So, again, focusing on "being trolled in a forum" is missing the real point that our community has a flaw of neglecting/turning a shoulder against the needs of the mentally disabled. Sure there are people who care, but the general public will turn a blind eye when some mentally disabled guy reaches out to you for help. Expecting people on the internet to be accommodating when society in general dismisses the problem is really a backward approach towards fixing the problem.
Meh. Guy should've chosen something other than strangulation. That must've been a bitchy way to die.
I have asperger's and I'm not mentally disabled, IQ of like 130 actually. Also, you can work on the problems if you put some effort into it, it's pretty difficult at start but it gets better from my experience. You just don't have the "social skills" as a common sense like others and need to copy others to begin with but it'll be okay after you practice it for a while, you don't HAVE to just succumb to it.
That being said this is quite sad and must have been horrible to witness. Don't really get people who commit suicide.
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WTF man I saw it too. I hate the internet because of this, ppl are getting used to this kind of stuff each day... first you shock when you see sth like that and then you start to feel nothing for each thing you see...
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Holy crap... that's intense. I am glad I didnt observe that sort of thing..
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i saw the picture.. doesnt make sense to be honest.. looks fake..
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Meh you can call me heartless if you want but I really don't see incidents like this as anything but attention whoring. All of the "omg wtf, lets point a finger at someone" are exactly what they are aiming for, so I'm extremely content with denying them that.
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I can never really understand the idea of suicide.
Sure, shit sucks sometimes, and maybe life's not all rainbows and sunshine, but there's still the little things, aren't there? That's what I live for. The good moments.
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On October 12 2010 17:05 hero33 wrote:
i saw the picture.. doesnt make sense to be honest.. looks fake..
It's not fake, the swedish police have confirmed that he's dead.
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On October 12 2010 17:12 .Aar wrote:
I can never really understand the idea of suicide.
Sure, shit sucks sometimes, and maybe life's not all rainbows and sunshine, but there's still the little things, aren't there? That's what I live for. The good moments.
I have never felt suicidal, however, I would never say that people who are feel that way just because shit sucks some times and they don't like rainbows. They are obviously very troubled and need help. I can absolutely understand the idea that some people feel like there is nothing worth living for and that it is easier to just end it.
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suicide is a horrible thing, if there are problems that are causing you to have suicidal thoughts then u should try to fix them if not for yourself then try to help others from doing the same.
u should always try to do a possitive thing and this is not possitive at all. :/
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I really hate seeing this thread title every time I look at the General tab on the left side of the screen.
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On October 12 2010 08:00 NonFactor wrote:
Just read some pages on that thread, the link for his site is still there but it's down. Basically people are saying how they could see him turning blue etc. He posted himself on that thread before doing it.
He even said ''I'll wait more people to start watching before doing it.''
To be honest, I don't know how to feel about this. A person died but I have a hard time feeling sad about it because it was his own choice and he seemed fully aware. (He made a post how his life otherwise is going good, grades good, good income, everything fine and dandy except for his social life that seemed to have been affected by his disease.)
Oh well...
Edit: Typo
Asberger isn't a disease, it's a disorder.
Of course it's sad he killed himself, but if he doesn't want to live it's his choice.
If he had gotten help he probaly wouldn't have killed himself, which makes me wonder if his family really was supportive of him or not.
On October 12 2010 16:56 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:09 lvatural wrote:
I think people are forgetting the fact that this is not a "normal" kid. He had Asperger/Austism or something thus didn't do well in social situations so decided to kill himself because he was "lonely."
The sad part about this is that his situation could have been easily remedied if people in real life actually gave a shit and tried to help him out. Maybe it's his fault that he didn't search for help, but it's likely he did and was just dismissed by those around him. So, again, focusing on "being trolled in a forum" is missing the real point that our community has a flaw of neglecting/turning a shoulder against the needs of the mentally disabled. Sure there are people who care, but the general public will turn a blind eye when some mentally disabled guy reaches out to you for help. Expecting people on the internet to be accommodating when society in general dismisses the problem is really a backward approach towards fixing the problem.
Meh. Guy should've chosen something other than strangulation. That must've been a bitchy way to die. I have asperger's and I'm not mentally disabled, IQ of like 130 actually. Also, you can work on the problems if you put some effort into it, it's pretty difficult at start but it gets better from my experience. You just don't have the "social skills" as a common sense like others and need to copy others to begin with but it'll be okay after you practice it for a while, you don't HAVE to just succumb to it. That being said this is quite sad and must have been horrible to witness. Don't really get people who commit suicide.
I'm also autistic, but like you said theres workarounds for almost everything.
I guess the guy who suicided just wanted to be around people but couldn't which pushed him over the edge. I personally can't be around people but don't give a fuck about it, i think playing video games and interacting with people online is much more fun.
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To the author of the OP, and anyone else who has watched this, I hope you're doing OK, but don't beat yourself up over it. There's large events in history that change the way we will perceive the world, even things that happen before we were born; and, there's small, tragic events that not everyone is directly a part of that help shape us differently than everyone else. Posts like this always bring up arguments about suicide, but the real point here is how it happened and how to help people who've seen this. Don't get caught up in the opinions that aren't related to your experience, particularly from people who don't even know you.
My main point is, you're still alive, decide what you want to take from having seen this. You don't have to make a sunny day out of it, but try to take something from this situation. Don't let this be another meaningless death. Oh, and go have some ice cream, or hot chocolate.
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On October 12 2010 17:35 KinosJourney2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 08:00 NonFactor wrote:
Just read some pages on that thread, the link for his site is still there but it's down. Basically people are saying how they could see him turning blue etc. He posted himself on that thread before doing it.
He even said ''I'll wait more people to start watching before doing it.''
To be honest, I don't know how to feel about this. A person died but I have a hard time feeling sad about it because it was his own choice and he seemed fully aware. (He made a post how his life otherwise is going good, grades good, good income, everything fine and dandy except for his social life that seemed to have been affected by his disease.)
Oh well...
Edit: Typo Asberger isn't a disease, it's a disorder. Of course it's sad he killed himself, but if he doesn't want to live it's his choice. If he had gotten help he probaly wouldn't have killed himself, which makes me wonder if his family really was supportive of him or not. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 16:56 Shikyo wrote:On October 12 2010 13:09 lvatural wrote:
I think people are forgetting the fact that this is not a "normal" kid. He had Asperger/Austism or something thus didn't do well in social situations so decided to kill himself because he was "lonely."
The sad part about this is that his situation could have been easily remedied if people in real life actually gave a shit and tried to help him out. Maybe it's his fault that he didn't search for help, but it's likely he did and was just dismissed by those around him. So, again, focusing on "being trolled in a forum" is missing the real point that our community has a flaw of neglecting/turning a shoulder against the needs of the mentally disabled. Sure there are people who care, but the general public will turn a blind eye when some mentally disabled guy reaches out to you for help. Expecting people on the internet to be accommodating when society in general dismisses the problem is really a backward approach towards fixing the problem.
Meh. Guy should've chosen something other than strangulation. That must've been a bitchy way to die. I have asperger's and I'm not mentally disabled, IQ of like 130 actually. Also, you can work on the problems if you put some effort into it, it's pretty difficult at start but it gets better from my experience. You just don't have the "social skills" as a common sense like others and need to copy others to begin with but it'll be okay after you practice it for a while, you don't HAVE to just succumb to it. That being said this is quite sad and must have been horrible to witness. Don't really get people who commit suicide. I'm also autistic, but like you said theres workarounds for almost everything. I guess the guy who suicided just wanted to be around people but couldn't which pushed him over the edge. I personally can't be around people but don't give a fuck about it, i think playing video games and interacting with people online is much more fun.
I'm autistic as well as in was severely socially impaired when I was younger, It was even decided at one point that I would need an aid If I would make into society once I got older, but the aid was never needed.
Today I'm perfectly fine, I have friends and interests and I'm just about to finish my 1 year masters in System Science. If you are bad at something you need to train on it. to be social is a skillet, nothing else and it can be improved, you just need to be consistent. I feel for the guy who killed himself but I don't think the autism had anything to with it.
Depression and isolation is one of the most common causes of suicide amongst "normal" people so that it's also the most common cause amongst autistic people doesn't really mean anything.
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It is beyond my understanding how can someone watch another person die for over 15 minutes... The fact that someone is posting his suicide vid doesn't mean you have to watch it.
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On October 12 2010 17:42 TallMax wrote:
To the author of the OP, and anyone else who has watched this, I hope you're doing OK, but don't beat yourself up over it. There's large events in history that change the way we will perceive the world, even things that happen before we were born; and, there's small, tragic events that not everyone is directly a part of that help shape us differently than everyone else. Posts like this always bring up arguments about suicide, but the real point here is how it happened and how to help people who've seen this. Don't get caught up in the opinions that aren't related to your experience, particularly from people who don't even know you.
My main point is, you're still alive, decide what you want to take from having seen this. You don't have to make a sunny day out of it, but try to take something from this situation. Don't let this be another meaningless death. Oh, and go have some ice cream, or hot chocolate.
I hate my life, I've become so desensitized that watching this didn't affect me at all.
I should be feeling sick or at the very least sorry for this guy and his family/friends, but I don't fucking care at all and that scares me.
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On October 12 2010 09:16 SCC-Faust wrote:
You don't one day just wake up and decide to kill yourself.
Don't call suicidal people weak. Nor should you call them selfish or overly dramatic.
You can't possibly fathom what they are going through or their thought process.
Something you don't realize is how fucking torn you must be to HONESTLY contemplate ending everything you've ever known, perceived, and done. It isn't something someone can comprehend without going through it themselves, and even then every situation is specific and different. The last thing you want to do with a suicidal person is isolate and define them. Always be willing to give people support and learn to treat others kindly, but let the psychologists/psychiatrists/hotlines do their jobs because they've been trained to do what people online can't.
This topic isn't about suicide in general, but I think the people posting here can maybe mature a little and learn that it is worth reaching out and helping people. Even if it means that for every 1,000 trolls you respond to, you get 1 legitimate person who truly needs help. Sure, everyone goes through shit in their life. You can't make comparisons. People deal with situations differently.
This.
So many people want to generalize and assume every person is the same. They just dont understand because they have never been there. So instead of trying to put themselves in someone elses shoes. They take the easy route and over simplify everything by making quick judgements. Most people, especially close family are more likely to shrug it off in denial or become upset with you for not being normal than sympathetic and understanding if you told them you are severely depressed. That is where the feeling of "being trapped" comes from. If you tell people you are depressed and are thinking of suicide then you are further alienating yourself from everyone else. You will also most likely be commited into a mental hospital. Which is like shining a gigantic spotlight on your problems for everyone to see. That is why you always hear "They seemed fine to me" and things like that. Because a lot of them try to appear as normal as they can. It also helps prevent being made fun of and bullied.
A lot of them have had some treatment and they know that there is no magical cure. Ive worked in mental health and I wish that curing depression was as successful as a cold or something but its just not. A majority of them have struggled with it for many years and will continue to do so for the rest of their lives. The best medicine for someone that is depressed is people who will listen and try to understand them. No one wants to be around a person that has any kind of mental illness though. Its very sad.
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On October 12 2010 18:03 Manit0u wrote:
It is beyond my understanding how can someone watch another person die for over 15 minutes... The fact that someone is posting his suicide vid doesn't mean you have to watch it.
Indeed, i have purposely steered clear of any pictures/videos. I mean, i suppose they wasn't really anything you COULD do, but how can you just watch someone die?
I just... it is sad to see people die simply because it is common place to have people dick around on the internet. Stupid trolls.
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