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This might be slightly off-topic, but it's on the general topic and this information might be useful for some people.
There's been comments in this thread about how "he must have wanted to die badly" because of the way he did it (hanging with feet on the ground) and how "painful" it must be and that the asphyxiation would be unpleasant.
This is not the case. When you lean forward with something tied around your neck, it cuts of the circulation to your brain very quickly, we're talking 15-30 seconds and you will have blacked out. After that there is no pain and no turning back. Since the guy took painkillers before doing it, he probably felt nothing, and the unconsciousness comes very quickly and unexpectedly.
Just wanted to clear up those misconceptions.
EDIT - and when I say this info might be useful I mean for safety not for suicide tips :S
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What pisses me off is Flashback as a whole. But that is an entirely different discussion.
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This is just sick. I'm sorry you had to witness that...
And to the poster above, imagine that thread being posted on Fragbite instead...
But on the other hand, maybe it would make those 15-year olds shut up for a while.
On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not.
You don't have anyone close to you who comitted suicide, right? If I could, I would punch you hard in the face.
I'm not saying you should care about every random guy who dies. I don't do that either. But it is a tragedy for people who were close with the person who comitted suicide...at least show some respect...
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Some could save him but trolls decide to troll him. Gl for them now.
Poor soul. His soul will never RIP...
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oh no....
that is just beyond comprehension... =[ i don't even know what to say. i hope you (O.P.) is ok.... must be very traumatizing.
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Terrible and tragic, I cant really think of much more to say then that.
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On October 12 2010 18:36 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 18:03 Manit0u wrote:
It is beyond my understanding how can someone watch another person die for over 15 minutes... The fact that someone is posting his suicide vid doesn't mean you have to watch it. Indeed, i have purposely steered clear of any pictures/videos. I mean, i suppose they wasn't really anything you COULD do, but how can you just watch someone die? I just... it is sad to see people die simply because it is common place to have people dick around on the internet. Stupid trolls.
Most people are the opposite. A lot of car accidents occur when there is already an accident and everyone is looking for dead bodies instead of watching the road.
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On October 12 2010 18:53 bellyfrog wrote:
This might be slightly off-topic, but it's on the general topic and this information might be useful for some people.
There's been comments in this thread about how "he must have wanted to die badly" because of the way he did it (hanging with feet on the ground) and how "painful" it must be and that the asphyxiation would be unpleasant.
This is not the case. When you lean forward with something tied around your neck, it cuts of the circulation to your brain very quickly, we're talking 15-30 seconds and you will have blacked out. After that there is no pain and no turning back. Since the guy took painkillers before doing it, he probably felt nothing, and the unconsciousness comes very quickly and unexpectedly.
Just wanted to clear up those misconceptions.
EDIT - and when I say this info might be useful I mean for safety not for suicide tips :S
It's good you said that, i felt really bad for the guy because it looked like a horrible death, i mean if he wanted to suicide, at least find a fast and painless way to do it. Still feeling bad, his life was good overall, i don't get the reasoning that brought him to that conclusion. The video was less disturbing than i thought, i'm more worried about the fact that he suicided than about a stupid video showing it. It looked like 4chan material and of course you can find it there or at least a link to it if you're curious. Some films have more disturbing scenes, i guess we're used to it and this is nothing special.
Instigating someone to suicide is a serious offense in most states and i assume it's the same in Sweden, and it can get you to jail, the idiots who encouraged him should be prosecuted.
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May you rest in peace, the people you left behind are almost certainly missing you 
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On October 12 2010 19:26 SoL[9] wrote:
Some could save him but trolls decide to troll him. Gl for them now.
Poor soul. His soul will never RIP...
He was pre-determined to do it, from reading his own posts in the thread he stated that he had been suicidal for a pretty long time, and when he strangled himself to the poinjt where his blood vessel started bursting he only felt a sensation of freedom and relief.
The flamers and the trolls are not the ones to blame in this case.
OnT: A tragedy, I had the fortune of not wintessing the suicide. I feel sick just thinking about his asphyxiated and lifeless body.
RIP.
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On October 12 2010 19:22 Zexion wrote:This is just sick. I'm sorry you had to witness that... And to the poster above, imagine that thread being posted on Fragbite instead... But on the other hand, maybe it would make those 15-year olds shut up for a while. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. You don't have anyone close to you who comitted suicide, right? If I could, I would punch you hard in the face. I'm not saying you should care about every random guy who dies. I don't do that either. But it is a tragedy for people who were close with the person who comitted suicide...at least show some respect...
I actually did. I mean not anything like family, but a friend. Even though I was sad at the time, I got over it eventually. It was a shitty situation for him and I don't presume to disagree with his decision because I'm not that god damn selfish.
But either way, my personal ethics are irrelevant. I already said in the thread it's a different situation if you're family or a friend. But you're not. It's more disrespectful to pretend like you care when you know nothing about the situation then just to let it pass.
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On October 12 2010 20:11 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 19:26 SoL[9] wrote:
Some could save him but trolls decide to troll him. Gl for them now.
Poor soul. His soul will never RIP... He was pre-determined to do it, from reading his own posts in the thread he stated that he had been suicidal for a pretty long time, and when he strangled himself to the poinjt where his blood vessel started bursting he only felt a sensation of freedom and relief. The flamers and the trolls are not the ones to blame in this case. OnT: A tragedy, I had the fortune of not wintessing the suicide. I feel sick just thinking about his asphyxiated and lifeless body. RIP.
If he post there he wants to be save...I believe in that. If some one wants to that suicide and dont want to be save dont gonna post in the forum at least i believe in that.
Im not blaming no one and no should be blame....You dont know the power of some one listening when you need help, you dont know how good his say something to some one that you dont know and that person dont judge...
Thats one of the biggest different in the internet for real life.
For the "trollers" if they dont fell any kinda of sentimental for this "kid" any pain, any shame, any other felling that effect them, there are something bad with them. Maybe with this they just "wake up"
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On October 12 2010 19:22 Zexion wrote:This is just sick. I'm sorry you had to witness that... And to the poster above, imagine that thread being posted on Fragbite instead... But on the other hand, maybe it would make those 15-year olds shut up for a while. Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. You don't have anyone close to you who comitted suicide, right? If I could, I would punch you hard in the face. I'm not saying you should care about every random guy who dies. I don't do that either. But it is a tragedy for people who were close with the person who comitted suicide...at least show some respect...
It's sad to witness somebody's death, but I really can't justifiy any reason to commit suicide.
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Damn, people need to study some psychology, suicide happens because the person is in a fucked up state of mind, some people cant cross that line but some can.
What leads to suicide is increasing social alienation, to the point where the person has so little identifying herself with humanity she doesnt feel a part of it, she pains in coexisting with it, she decides to quit it, like someone is quitting their job.
It might be hard to understand, but its all a question of mental states, you could get someone on the brink of suiciding, talking him out of it, successfully (will happen to a % of ppl) get over it, and make fun of it later.
An unatended ill mind is like a loose car, if it finds itself into a ramp, its going down and fast.
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to kill yourself like this young man did is illogical. It makes no sense. I cant figure out why someone would do that. yea life sucks, it sucks for everbody, even if he lost everything he loved and their was no way of getting them back. Next logical move is to find new things he loves. He is weak? maybe. He was sick? maybe. One thing for sure he was not smart in his actions. Suicide is wrong. sucide is bad. maybe. But Suicide will never be smart.
+ Show Spoiler +poeple who feel bad for this young man. You all are kind poeple who all have good loving relationships.
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On October 12 2010 20:39 alecfisher wrote:to kill yourself like this young man did is illogical. It makes no sense. I cant figure out why someone would do that. yea life sucks, it sucks for everbody, even if he lost everything he loved and their was no way of getting them back. Next logical move is to find new things he loves. He is weak? maybe. He was sick? maybe. One thing for sure he was not smart in his actions. Suicide is wrong. sucide is bad. maybe. But Suicide will never be smart. + Show Spoiler +poeple who feel bad for this young man. You all are kind poeple who all have good loving relationships.
From my POV, and im no expert just a psychology student.
Suicide = Sickness + Weakness
edit: Natural Weakness from the persons mind, not weakness caused by whatever metal illness he had.
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On October 12 2010 20:32 nOia.pod wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 19:22 Zexion wrote:This is just sick. I'm sorry you had to witness that... And to the poster above, imagine that thread being posted on Fragbite instead... But on the other hand, maybe it would make those 15-year olds shut up for a while. On October 12 2010 13:30 throttled wrote:
I agree with the bold statement. Murder is a tragedy. Rape is a tragedy. Suicide is not. You don't have anyone close to you who comitted suicide, right? If I could, I would punch you hard in the face. I'm not saying you should care about every random guy who dies. I don't do that either. But it is a tragedy for people who were close with the person who comitted suicide...at least show some respect... It's sad to witness somebody's death, but I really can't justifiy any reason to commit suicide.
Really?
What you gotta understand is that when a person is very close to commiting suicide, or in the process of commiting suicide, one does not anymore think of the sadness and grief it will bring to his nearest and dearest. You have fallen too far, and the close and familiar, constant pain is overwhelming, and you're becoming one with it.
I see where you're coming from, ofcourse. But at the same time you can't really look at it from that perspective. A person who commits suicide is mentally ill.
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That is sad, and I really dislike people who does theese kinda things
It just feels like ...they're cowards and it makes me more angry than sad seeing theese things.
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On October 12 2010 20:39 alecfisher wrote:to kill yourself like this young man did is illogical. It makes no sense. I cant figure out why someone would do that. yea life sucks, it sucks for everbody, even if he lost everything he loved and their was no way of getting them back. Next logical move is to find new things he loves. He is weak? maybe. He was sick? maybe. One thing for sure he was not smart in his actions. Suicide is wrong. sucide is bad. maybe. But Suicide will never be smart. + Show Spoiler +poeple who feel bad for this young man. You all are kind poeple who all have good loving relationships.
Wow, that's really small of you to say.
Ofcourse you have these thoughts yourself. I guess you aren't depressed, and have a normal life. So you can't even try to imagine how a suicidal person feels. Because you haven't experienced that sort of pain and mental state.
geez,,
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On October 12 2010 20:41 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 20:39 alecfisher wrote:to kill yourself like this young man did is illogical. It makes no sense. I cant figure out why someone would do that. yea life sucks, it sucks for everbody, even if he lost everything he loved and their was no way of getting them back. Next logical move is to find new things he loves. He is weak? maybe. He was sick? maybe. One thing for sure he was not smart in his actions. Suicide is wrong. sucide is bad. maybe. But Suicide will never be smart. + Show Spoiler +poeple who feel bad for this young man. You all are kind poeple who all have good loving relationships. From my POV, and im no expert just a psychology student. Suicide = Sickness + Weakness edit: Natural Weakness from the persons mind, not weakness caused by whatever metal illness he had.
What is "natural weakness"? Genetic disorders, birth defects, or what?
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