EPTGuy hangs himself, streams it via webcam - Page 11
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On October 12 2010 15:16 StatiC)Ex( wrote: Would be cool if this thread was closed. Discussing suicide in any way is rather disgusting. :/ I don't know, I don't believe that thinking analytically about anything is ipso facto disgusting. Would be a tragedy to leave something so interesting without discussion. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
Edit: Just realized how much this thread ruined my morning. Fuck sake, not the kind of thing I like waking up to. Edit2: Swedish media is fucking retarded. | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On October 12 2010 15:22 XeliN wrote: If you find the content of this thread or nature of the discussion distasteful there is a wonderful option available to you. You stop reading it. The reason this is a "better" alternative is because of a logic jump underlying your reasoning I find discussion of suicide in any way to be disgusting. therefore discussion of suicide in any way IS disgusting Therefore this thread should be closed on grounds of decency. I've bolded your unfounded assumption so you do not make the same mistake in future. You might be making a fallacy yourself, strawman argument. Maybe he really can prove that discussion of suicide is ipso facto disgusting. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
I think it's just really a sad situation. I saw someone with a blue shirt in the frame, which might have been his roommate? I personally have never heard of a situation where someone commited suicide and I was like "Ya, he definitely made the right decision." I understand that people who do commit suicide honestly believe that they have no other options, but there are always options, no matter the situation. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I don't know what ipso facto means but im guessing something like "objectively true" or established fact" if i've used it wrongly, then that is what I mean. I just wanted to copy your term, it looked fun  | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On October 12 2010 15:33 XeliN wrote: just that in it's current form it is based upon an unfounded assumption. that's what I'm saying, it might not be unfounded. | ||
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preacha
Norway210 Posts
but dont kick yourself. you tried to help. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On October 12 2010 15:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:I understand that people who do commit suicide honestly believe that they have no other options, but there are always options, no matter the situation. This is very similar to my point of view. Suicide isn't some strange, alien concept, and people who treat it as such are just being silly. Suicide not only makes sense, it borders on a logical response. Before you flame me for that, let me explain. Someone who commits suicide is in a lot of pain. What is the natural response when you're in pain? You look for a way to relieve it, obviously. For these people, the most obvious, the most simply, and often times the only apparent way to get away from the pain is just to commit suicide. That to me, is the problem with suicide prevention at the moment. So many people act like its obviously an illogical choice. What we need to do is publicize the other options and make them accessible. Moreover, we just need to discuss suicide. It needs to become something people aren't ashamed of thinking about. We need to shift paradigms so that when someone says "I want to kill myself" we don't react bombastically and try to medicate them and treat them differently, but rather just talk to them. So there is my personally biased opinion :D. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Vedas The chat/webcam session apparently began by Vedas smoking cannabis in preparation, and then logging into the IRC channel. Upon entering the channel he announced “i got a grip of drugs” and indicated that his webcam was up, and that chatters were welcome to view his “grip of drugs” and his subsequent ingestion thereof. While some of the substances were illicit (e.g. cannabis), most of them had apparently been obtained through legitimate prescriptions for treatment of various illnesses from which Vedas was said to have suffered. Vedas then began consuming psilocybe mushrooms, which had been stored in a prescription medication bottle. As the chat session progressed, one of the users in the channel, grphish, noted “that's a lot of clonazepam” and this is thought to be when Vedas consumed 8 mg of clonazepam. Vedas continued by showing the webcam viewers what would be one of four bottles of methadone that he would consume over the course of the session, and, after noting this on the channel, proceeded to consume an entire bottle (reportedly 80 mg of methadone). After a brief respite, Vedas then consumed 110 mg of propranolol (Inderal), two Vicodin tablets, and 120 mg temazepam, which seem to have been taken in between descriptions given on the IRC channel. During this process, Vedas maintained that this was "usual weekend behavior" for him and that he had consumed similar quantities of the same substances on previous occasions. "I told u I was hardcore" was one of the last things Vedas typed, and is often used sarcastically on internet message boards and discussion sites. Upon consuming the remainder of the original batch of drugs from the beginning of the webcam session, Vedas began to retrieve and prepare to consume even more drugs that he had stashed throughout the room. It was at this point that the users of the channel began to voice their concerns that Vedas was taking things too far. Some pleaded with him to stop while others recommended that he seek immediate medical attention. After taking another large quantity of the same drugs he had already ingested, Vedas gave instructions that if anything were to go wrong, that they should try to contact him by calling his cell phone, and if that didn't work, they should call the local authorities and give them the license plate number of his car, which was parked in his driveway and could easily be seen from the street. When Vedas lost consciousness, users of the chatroom considered informing the police and asking that they trace Vedas's cellphone in order to locate him. However, the members of the channel were hesitant to contact the authorities for fear of involving Vedas and/or themselves in a police investigation. According to the chat logs, one user had even called 9-1-1 and asked the group if he was doing the right thing. After an emphatic "NO" response from another user, the user said "I talked my way out of it." and claimed that the police told them that there was no way to find Vedas with the information available. According to Vedas's brother, the information Brandon gave to the users in the chat, as well as the address in his domain name registration would have been enough for the police to locate Brandon, which he confirmed with local police. Later, Vedas's brother said about the incident, "It seems like the group mentality really contributed to it. These people treat it like somehow it's not the real world. They forget it's not just words on a screen." His mother discovered the body in the afternoon of January 12, 2003. Original IRC chatlogs : http://egomania.nu/princessnatalie.com/brandon.html | ||
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piny
United States19 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 12 2010 15:42 Jacobs Ladder wrote: So, I had a very long (like, 7 paragraph) post written in this thread, but I decided it was far too personal because people I know IRL visit TL, so I'll just comment on this: This is very similar to my point of view. Suicide isn't some strange, alien concept, and people who treat it as such are just being silly. Suicide not only makes sense, it borders on a logical response. Before you flame me for that, let me explain. Someone who commits suicide is in a lot of pain. What is the natural response when you're in pain? You look for a way to relieve it, obviously. For these people, the most obvious, the most simply, and often times the only apparent way to get away from the pain is just to commit suicide. That to me, is the problem with suicide prevention at the moment. So many people act like its obviously an illogical choice. What we need to do is publicize the other options and make them accessible. Moreover, we just need to discuss suicide. It needs to become something people aren't ashamed of thinking about. We need to shift paradigms so that when someone says "I want to kill myself" we don't react bombastically and try to medicate them and treat them differently, but rather just talk to them. So there is my personally biased opinion :D. I very much agree with the first part. Someone said earlier that suicide is tragic because it represents lost opportunity. That's true but for me that fact that someone experiences so much suffering and pain while seeing absolutely no hope at all is possibly even worse. I'm a little torn on the other point. Every time I read posts saying: "How could anyone do that to their friends and family" "he's just a coward" etc. I have an ambivalent feeling. On the one hand using guilt and shame to stop someone who's already depressed from hurting themselves feels wrong. It will just make them feel worse. However I do think that attitudes toward suicide might make a difference in crisis situations. A religious person might decide not to kill himself for the sole reason that it would mean going to hell. Or someone might decide to live for the sake of his family. It's not a good long term solution but at least if he stays alive there's a chance he finds a way to solve his problems. I wouldn't tell anyone that they should be ashamed of themselves for thinking about suicide or that only terrible people kill themselves. But if someone did want to commit suicide and felt bad about it, questioning those feelings wouldn't be a priority. It might be the only thing keeping them alive at the moment. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On October 12 2010 16:08 piny wrote: holy shet, thats intense, imagine how the guys trolling felt afterwards.. Honestly, who cares about them? You should always take things like this seriously, it's way better to feed the trolls than to have this happening. This is why I hate trolling, unless you make it really obvious. Although, I don't think any posts from random strangers would have changed the guys mind. I've been lurkering that forum for some time and when I saw his thread but by then he was already dead. What disturbs me the most is his last post when he's having second thought and decide to just do it before he could change his mind. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
From a perfectly logical standpoint. Suiciding is a bad decision, (almost) always. Forget the part where you hurt your family, your friends, anyone who happened to love you for the moment. If you are going to give up that life anyway, why not donating all your money to charity, cutting all ties, and devote your life as a social worker? That which was gonna be nothing (said life) will become useful, and help improve/save that of some others. As someone have mentioned in an earlier post, suicide is almost a logical response to ease one's pain when it becomes too hard to handle. But (imo) running away is the easier option, choosing to endure and try to make the world a better place, while might be harder (having to live with part of said pain thats been tormenting you), is (imo) clearly the better choice overall. Who knows, after seeing for yourself other people's suffering, and helping them overcome it, one might find other meaning to his life and come back anew. Having thoughts laid out like personally make it much easier on me. Everytime similar depressing thoughts surfaced, they are dispersed quickly. Only if it could have been the same for some others. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 12 2010 16:39 ffreakk wrote: suicide is almost a logical response to ease one's pain when it becomes too hard to handle. But (imo) running away is the easier option, choosing to endure and try to make the world a better place, while might be harder (having to live with part of said pain thats been tormenting you), is (imo) clearly the better choice overall. No shit offing yourself is the easier option. If they wanted to deal with the crap life has thrown at them they obviously wouldn't be considering suicide. Your opinion that they should deal with the problem to find meaning in their life is ridiculous. If somebody seriously wants to fucking kill themselves do you think they give a shit about trying to "eundure and make the world a better place" ? Get a grip. They don't feel like dealing with the shit live has thrown at them and possibly have psychological issues that need treatment. If they are at the point where they are going to commit suicide they need some serious help not a fucking pep talk about improving the world that has shit all over them. | ||
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