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magh
Sweden95 Posts
On October 12 2010 20:48 DorF wrote: That is sad, and I really dislike people who does theese kinda things It just feels like ...they're cowards and it makes me more angry than sad seeing theese things. In what way are the cowards, exactly? | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
On October 12 2010 20:39 alecfisher wrote: to kill yourself like this young man did is illogical. It makes no sense. I cant figure out why someone would do that. yea life sucks, it sucks for everbody, even if he lost everything he loved and their was no way of getting them back. Next logical move is to find new things he loves. He is weak? maybe. He was sick? maybe. One thing for sure he was not smart in his actions. Suicide is wrong. sucide is bad. maybe. But Suicide will never be smart. + Show Spoiler + poeple who feel bad for this young man. You all are kind poeple who all have good loving relationships. I don't blame you for thinking like that, but I don't think most people can really judge people that end their own lives because the majority of people are never in such a hopeless state of mind that they would rather kill themselves than continue to live. I don't claim to know how he felt in any way, but I'm certainly in no place to judge the guy. | ||
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Paer
Sweden121 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On October 12 2010 20:48 10or10 wrote: What is "natural weakness"? Genetic disorders, birth defects, or what? I dont know the terms in english since i studied it in portuguese, but lemme try to explain when i was studying the development of childrens brains, they told us that every person has a inherent mental flexibility, that allows the mind to sustain so much traumatic change without becoming sick/traumatized/whatever. they say that a children with very low tolerance to outside traumas (and read traumas in a broad way) can still thrive and succeed with good enviromental conditions, but will most certainly fall apart in bad enviroments, while people with high tolerance will usually thrive whenever you put them. they will be the raped girls who do seminars on how to recover from it, drug addicts that help others leave drugs, and so on. This is related to kids tho, its assumed adults have a higher degree of capability to overcome traumas, problem is sometimes the trauma they have lived is their whole story, its all they are, getting over it, would be killing the image they know of themselves. im getting offtopic =p | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On October 12 2010 20:54 Ferrose wrote: I think it's sad that that site has so many attention-whoring trolls that no one actually believed the guy who was serious. Flashback is like 4Chan but worse. 4Chan is mostly trolling douchebags who pretend to be fucked up and so on. Flashback houses some of Swedens most dangerous people. For instance every Neo Nazi in Sweden has an active account there and the murderer of Björn Söderberg (A swedish anarchist who got murdered by nazis for getting a nazi sacked for wearing T-shirts with racist messages at work) hangs there and stalks people he disagrees with. Not saying that there arent some good forums there but the really really really bad ones are just too bad. | ||
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
Reading a few pages of that thread on Flashback just makes me disgusted, people become insensitive careless douchebags on the internet, Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Asshole! R.I.P | ||
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
On October 12 2010 23:25 Sl4ktarN wrote: Flashback is like 4Chan but worse. 4Chan is mostly trolling douchebags who pretend to be fucked up and so on. Flashback houses some of Swedens most dangerous people. For instance every Neo Nazi in Sweden has an active account there and the murderer of Björn Söderberg (A swedish anarchist who got murdered by nazis for getting a nazi sacked for wearing T-shirts with racist messages at work) hangs there and stalks people he disagrees with. Not saying that there arent some good forums there but the really really really bad ones are just too bad. How does Sweden not find an excuse to shut those servers down? I mean, I'm all for the freedom of the internet, but much like a "free" country, if you start doing shit like housing the worst of the worst and giving them a place to organize and find possible victims(you really think crazy dude stalking people is always gonna end well??) is fucking foolish. | ||
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
Because they can't handle the pain like others. Because they pick the easy way out. Suicide is the most final and prime example of avoiding problems rather than dealing with them. Not only is it cowardly, it's selfish as well. Because they think of only of themselves and their own pain, ignoring the emotional and psychological pain and problems you are causing your parents, family, friends, random people who see you on the internet, etc; as well as ignoring the financial burden you are leaving them with. You are basically saying you don't give a fuck about how anyone else ends up, feels, is affected, because you are so much more important than anyone else that your pain needs to end, fuck everyone else. Suicide is cowardly and selfish. It's the last choice of someone with a weak mind. Please understand, as someone who has been on the brink, I feel for someone who feels the need to end their own life, but someone who is not a coward will man up to their problems, no matter the source, and deal with them. Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
99% of the time suicide is cowardly and pathetic, but 1% of the time it is a perfectly reasonable and rational act. For a person to have a "successful" life, yet still commit suicide is nothing more than an indicator of how important it is to be polite and friendly to strangers. You don't know what kind of life they live, nor the burdens they suffer. A person may be weird or have odd habits but that doesn't mean they should be discriminated against. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
It's also a ridiculous thing to say that suicide is a way of avoiding problems and not dealing with them. It absolutely deals with any problem you have. It's a perfect solution. But you hear otherwise as part of the propaganda of people who are against suicide. They never justify the statement and they can't. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
On October 13 2010 00:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's selfish but people do selfish things all the time. You can't find someone who hasn't done a selfish thing. With selfishness being so common, and arguably essential, it's a pretty weak label when you're trying to judge something. It's especially weak when you cannot measure the pain from the two options. If the man who wants to kill himself is suffering more than anyone else will suffer as a result of him killing himself, then it's not selfish for him to kill himself from a utilitarian perspective. It's selfish for everyone else to stop him. It's also a ridiculous thing to say that suicide is a way of avoiding problems and not dealing with them. It absolutely deals with any problem you have. It's a perfect solution. But you hear otherwise as part of the propaganda of people who are against suicide. They never justify the statement and they can't. Great, lets all go and suicide because we have problems, I'm first because I'm fat and people laugh behind my back. (I'm not actually fat.) But I don't really mind suiciding because in the end every one can do whatever they want with their lives and you can't really stop some one from suiciding in the long run unless you put them in some asylum or something like that. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On October 12 2010 23:40 TechDeft wrote: How does Sweden not find an excuse to shut those servers down? I mean, I'm all for the freedom of the internet, but much like a "free" country, if you start doing shit like housing the worst of the worst and giving them a place to organize and find possible victims(you really think crazy dude stalking people is always gonna end well??) is fucking foolish. They have, multiple times. The site isn't hosted from Sweden anymore, I think the server is in Britain somewhere if I recall correctly. Used to visit it frequently before, but I eventually reached the same conclusion as Sl4ktarN. 90% underage self proclaimed alternative people who copypaste boring memes and racist crap in attempts of boosting their postcounts and becoming oldbies. 9% are actually sensible people who don't venture outside the humour forums, and the remaining 1% are the real fuckups you really should avoid. Maybe wasn't mentioned that there are plenty of pedophiles there as well. Of course not openly sharing shit on the forums, but still. I don't really go beyond humour, technical support and those areas anymore. | ||
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Mrwl
Sweden339 Posts
On October 13 2010 00:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's selfish but people do selfish things all the time. You can't find someone who hasn't done a selfish thing. With selfishness being so common, and arguably essential, it's a pretty weak label when you're trying to judge something. It's especially weak when you cannot measure the pain from the two options. If the man who wants to kill himself is suffering more than anyone else will suffer as a result of him killing himself, then it's not selfish for him to kill himself from a utilitarian perspective. It's selfish for everyone else to stop him. It's also a ridiculous thing to say that suicide is a way of avoiding problems and not dealing with them. It absolutely deals with any problem you have. It's a perfect solution. But you hear otherwise as part of the propaganda of people who are against suicide. They never justify the statement and they can't. I pretty much agree with everything you said here, but still I can't help to feel sad about the guy and his relatives. Must be some kind of animalish basic instict. It's pretty much clear the this person had made up his mind, but wouldn't you just feel the urge to try and save him? Even if his decision is fair and square, the other alternative is even sweeter if he should have changed his mind. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19230 Posts
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TallMax
United States131 Posts
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
On October 12 2010 23:49 TechDeft wrote: Because they can't handle the pain like others. Because they pick the easy way out. Suicide is the most final and prime example of avoiding problems rather than dealing with them. Not only is it cowardly, it's selfish as well. Because they think of only of themselves and their own pain, ignoring the emotional and psychological pain and problems you are causing your parents, family, friends, random people who see you on the internet, etc; as well as ignoring the financial burden you are leaving them with. You are basically saying you don't give a fuck about how anyone else ends up, feels, is affected, because you are so much more important than anyone else that your pain needs to end, fuck everyone else. Suicide is cowardly and selfish. It's the last choice of someone with a weak mind. Please understand, as someone who has been on the brink, I feel for someone who feels the need to end their own life, but someone who is not a coward will man up to their problems, no matter the source, and deal with them. Sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Well, in this man's case he had Asberger's syndrome, so that may have affected his ability to deal with the problems he was facing. People with Asbergers have trouble interacting with people and communicating their thoughts. Maybe he was trying to get help, but the people around him, not fully understanding of his condition, got fed up with him or just assumed he was an idiot. We don't know his whole story. | ||
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