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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:17 Duelist wrote: Lolz. Read what i wrote. I said in that specific case, that's exactly what happened. --Spoilers, NonY vs. TLO-- + Show Spoiler + You have absolutely no point because your example is wrong - TLO lost that game. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
if you lose to pure bio ball you've got outmacroed or outmicroed badly on a side note everytime i lose a game i rewatch replay and can easily list dozen of things i could do better, seriously whats wrong with people who flood forums everytime they get owned in game and create topics about imbalances, OP should post a replay then we could work something out till then this topic should be closed. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
on a side note everytime i lose a game i rewatch replay and can easily list dozen of things i could do better, seriously whats wrong with people who run on forums and create topics about imbalances everytime they get owned in game. That could be said for patches 1-13. We can generally pick out things we could have done better, but it doesn't prove anything about game balance. The inverse is true though losing a game doesn't mean the matchup it's imba too. But many people are complaining about the same things, that should say something perhaps. When the imbalance starts getting smaller, people have to pay attention to these details. It won't be like when protoss was OP, as it was obvious, but now isn't anymore. | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:16 bobcat wrote: You sir................ are brilliant! Thank you :-) Actually, I like playing protoss too. Do you feel targeted ? My point is that I know how terran operates (or needs to) and that many critical points are all too often overlooked by protoss players. The most ridiculous example would be them NEVER bother to take down my sensor towers then wondering why they get insta-gibbed when they arrive... Probably they don't realize terrans are seeing them coming from the other side of the map... A few of them outright call you a cheater for... "knowing my observer was there and how u know my warp prism was there omg maphax"... Oh and... I do lose to some protoss players. Only the majority of them just A-clicks whatever army they have then ragequit when they get stomped... | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
Please lock this thread it's not up to TL.net standards. | ||
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Providence
United States125 Posts
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:29 Duelist wrote: That could be said for patches 1-13. We can generally pick out things we could have done better, but it doesn't prove anything about game balance. The inverse is true though losing a game doesn't mean the matchup it's imba too. But many people are complaining about the same things, that should say something perhaps. When the imbalance starts getting smaller, people have to pay attention to these details. It won't be like when protoss was OP, as it was obvious, but now isn't anymore. Imbalance isn't just there it is created by those whiny kiddies. Nobody knows if patch 1 SC2 was less balanced that patch 13 SC2 and it propably wasn't given the circles the patching guys are walking in. Either way, if you lose you should first look at all the little details and try to find a way to improve and forget that imbalance even exists. Anyone who opens a thread having imbalance in it's title is an idiot until proven otherwise. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
It's like zerg kinda. Zerg FE's, so P and T apply really early pressure (or deny expo completely) to slow Z down while they tech and/or build an army to push. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
I don't remember ever finding someone's observers with my sensor towers. | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:58 link0 wrote: Does it show them only in the Fog of War but not once they are within sight distances? Both. IIRC invisible units will ping your minimap but won't show up off-fog (that might be a glitch/bug tho because sometimes they do for some unknown reason). For instance if a zerg burrows his units, most of the time the tower will ping them even off-fog but will sometimes simply refuse to while observers ping a hellish red dot off and on fog... Argue with the guy who coded the behavior of the tower o_O | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:32 Santriel wrote: Thank you :-) Actually, I like playing protoss too. Do you feel targeted ? My point is that I know how terran operates (or needs to) and that many critical points are all too often overlooked by protoss players. The most ridiculous example would be them NEVER bother to take down my sensor towers then wondering why they get insta-gibbed when they arrive... Probably they don't realize terrans are seeing them coming from the other side of the map... A few of them outright call you a cheater for... "knowing my observer was there and how u know my warp prism was there omg maphax"... Oh and... I do lose to some protoss players. Only the majority of them just A-clicks whatever army they have then ragequit when they get stomped... Fair enough. I didnt feel targeted, I was simply pointing out that a protoss player shouldn't have to do everything right to beat a terran player with relatively similar micro/macro. However, based on what you just said, you are playing against gutter trash toss who dont know how a sensor tower works. A-move is simple, but a fair amount of playing as toss is positioning your units correctly pre combat, being ready to use FF/GS appropriately and knowing how to stagger your army to still do decent damage while not being clustered for an emp. I have seen people who do nothing but A-move and beat a terran army of comparable size, cost tech, upgrades, etc. I have also seen toss who place FF's correctly, compose their army correctly, scout their enemy, and choose when to engage and still get bent over the railing by a quick EMP and a stim pack from a terran who never scanner swept them or knew they were coming. The frustration for a toss player is knowing early game that even if you have a bigger better army than the terran you still cant put pressure on them. However, I suppose one of the early game frustrations for terran must be that they have to keep their force in their base or it will get zealsharked. So I guess a lot of toss are whining about not being able to put heavy pressure, while a lot of terrans have to deal with having no early game mobility. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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Grend
1600 Posts
Would explain why everyone is complaining, but about slightly different things. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 28 2010 05:19 Bibdy wrote: I don't know about lack of mobility. The moment you get Conc Shells you can go wherever you want. Did we forget about the Marauder fests from yestermonth, already? Marauders aren't a problem. Pure marauders will get wrecked by just about any protoss player. The lack of mobility becomes important when the terran starts using tanks. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 28 2010 05:25 xDaunt wrote: Marauders aren't a problem. Pure marauders will get wrecked by just about any protoss player. The lack of mobility becomes important when the terran starts using tanks. Did I say pure Marauders? | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
besides, if you listen to day9 you can hear his strategy against a terran. get more stuff. it's not all that imbalanced, it's just that if you keep letting terran get an army composition that can counter everything you're in a lot of trouble. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
Many top Terrans have already learned that there is little reason to build ANY marauders against Toss anymore. Marauders in a mixed army /w tanks aren't good at all because they can't kite and have crappy dps vs chargelots and sentries. Unless I scout a blink stalker strategy, I will skip marauders entirely in favor of marines, ghosts, tanks, and thors. Marauders? Who cares about them anymore. | ||
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Talia
Germany64 Posts
It feels just wrong that this one ability changes the whole fight so freaking hard. I got the feeling that every P fight is just won if there are enough FF's... See the fight mentioned way before in this thread Nony vs. TLO + Show Spoiler + Nony had no Forcefield and lost an pretty even battle | ||
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huyNh
Canada366 Posts
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