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lolreaper
301 Posts
On May 28 2010 02:10 arb wrote: The fact that terran shit is so strong that nony lost a much much higher cost army while terran was left with most all of his units still alive? did you even read the post? there are so many factors involved this numbers mean nothing lol | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
There's much more to the game than resource and supply costs. Had Nony had a slightly different composition with HTs (instagib Feedback all 3 Ghosts dead), the fight would have turned out very differently. Nony decided on Void Rays as his tech path of choice. This leaves his ground army VERY vulnerable to Ghosts, and TLO capitalized on it, but still lost when the VRs arrived...so, what are you complaining about? | ||
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JreL209
United States78 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Obviously PvZ stalker/colossus is good because stalkers are walking forcefields and take down muta or corruptors, and do well vs roaches which colossus can struggle with. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
T > P in the mid skill (plat 1500+) brackets due to both sides knowing what unit combo to make and 1A their army. P > T in low skill brackets (everyone else) due to easier much easier P macro. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 28 2010 02:52 link0 wrote: I think T > P in the lower skill brackets, but it's even in the high skill brackets. Yeah. Whenever I lose to a terran, I always know what I did wrong and what I needed to do better. I've never come away from a PvT thinking, "Okay, wtf. That's unstoppable!" That said, I still think that PvT can be fairly unforgiving if the protoss isn't paying attention to what he's doing. | ||
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Kurt_Russell
Canada147 Posts
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Nitron
Singapore177 Posts
Another thing to note that in BW, we counter siege tanks by surrounding the enemy with our zealots/dragoons, but sc2 maps are so freaking small, it is too difficult to try and flank the opponent. I think what everyone wants to know, is the unit combinations to defeat MMM ball backed up by siege tanks and 1 ghost. Hopefully we can find the answer | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
However, despite minor unit advantages etc. terrans really dont have the better army. The problem that most toss players run into with terran is that they play very differently than proto/zerg. Against both zerg and toss, you are able to easily put pressure on early game, where against terran, you harrass with a single stalker at his wall without the intent of actually entering his base and winning right off the bat. Because all of terrans early game units are ranged, it is difficult and impossible against a good player, to put any early game zealot pressure on them, but if you could, it wouldnt be very fair for terran. Because the terran playstyle supports being able to hide behind a choke with ranged units, you have to adapt your play style to scouting and out macroing / expanding your opponent. It is hard to play against a terran because it forces you to play on terrans terms, not because of unbeatable unit combos or ghost tank or etc. It is because (without a high level of harrassment ability), the terran pushes when they are ready to push and you cant push them before unless you do something creative like blink stalkers or phoenix harrass. The best thing you can do is find a terran practice partner so you can try to see things from their point of view. Hope this helps. | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
Basically it's not because terrans are OP, it's because 90%+ of protoss players are total dumbasses. They either: - Try to blind-rush you with 3 or 4 warp gates -> Enjoy the wall. - Speed their way to void rays then cry when their "oh so original" 2-3 void rays attack gets blown to smithereens by 10 marines. - Don't bother attacking ravens (who cares right ? They can 'only' render 9/10th of your army useless). - Leave ghosts completely untouched, even when ghosts have the annoying tendency of walking in the front lines when grouped. - Almost NEVER bother using force fields but instead cast defensive shield 4 times in a row... AT THE SAME TIME. - Scanning towers ? What be this ? Lets just walk 6 DTs in his scanner range. He might have scan but i'm invis right ? I'm sure the giant pinging red dots won't alert him... The fact that protoss is "easy" to steamroll as terran is not due to race advantage, it's due to the accumulation of gross errors by protoss players who just assume "I play the strongest race so whatever I do will guarantee a win". Also, most protoss players have the baaad tendency of trying to play a la total annihilation. "Yeah let's just spam my biggest units and don't give a shit about strategy !" | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
Its not like focus-firing a Mothership down before it gets its horrendously short-range Vortex off. PDDs get dropped instantly. And I'm pretty sure Sensor Towers don't spot cloaked units. | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:33 Bibdy wrote: Erm, why attack the Raven when the instant the battle starts, its already done its job? That's like focus-firing a High Templar after its already blown all its energy on Psi Storms at the start of the fight. And I'm pretty sure Sensor Towers don't spot cloaked units. You bet your ass they do :D Everyone always assumes otherwise tho ;-) Top terran military analysts all agree that "Knowing is half the battle" and that early warning is one of the keys to victory. The sensor tower is a vital tool for long-range surveillance of enemy movement and the detection of stealthed aggressors. Straight from the official website ^__^ http://eu.starcraft2.com/features/terran/sensortower.xml Edit: As a terran you should ALWAYS have 2 or 3 sensor towers running (and at least one over your base(s) to tell you if a sneaky observer is present) | ||
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Clonze
Canada281 Posts
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:37 Clonze wrote: this thread is retarded. User complains about imbalance and says he does 4gate pushes (he thinks the game would be balanced if he won every game with 4gate). soo funny. Blizzard even posted saying that they feel protoss is too strong against terran atm. Source? And if you link that dev chat from a month ago, I'm going to slap you. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Let me reply by saying this: Imagine we are 10 patches ago. I can come with a big list of things that terrans and zergs didn't do, that could make PvX harder for P. Yet, it doesn't make any point in regarding the issue of P being imbalanced. If protoss make mistakes, so do terrans. Yet, it seems protoss are much more punished for them than terrans. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Until Terran starts winning tournaments regularly, you can't call them imbalanced. And lol @ the dork who used the starcraft unit counter to see what army costs more. Clearly whoever spends more on their army should always win, right! Even if the other player micros better, uses perfect EMPs and has a perfect composition to beat your army! You should always be able to a-move your army into the opponent's and win! | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On May 27 2010 22:46 araged wrote: Do you know what I find most helpful when someone start calling the imbalance? Suggest him to roll the other side and start owning his main race with this so called buletproof strategy. You'll soon discover new ways to play your main when more capable players show you the way. this go play 10 tvps and make that same unit composition that you are having trouble vs, you will learn its weaknesses and waht you can do to abuse it ;D | ||
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Santriel
Belgium33 Posts
I agree; Terrans need the ability to warp-gate. Then we'll be even. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 28 2010 03:35 Santriel wrote: You bet your ass they do :D Everyone always assumes otherwise tho ;-) Top terran military analysts all agree that "Knowing is half the battle" and that early warning is one of the keys to victory. The sensor tower is a vital tool for long-range surveillance of enemy movement and the detection of stealthed aggressors. Straight from the official website ^__^ http://eu.starcraft2.com/features/terran/sensortower.xml Edit: As a terran you should ALWAYS have 2 or 3 sensor towers running (and at least one over your base(s) to tell you if a sneaky observer is present) It also says Phoenixes still have Power Overload. I'd take that with a grain of salt. I'll have to test this when I get home. | ||
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