On May 27 2026 07:30 TT1 wrote: finals was hype cus it was 3-3 and it was funny cus Flash won every b.o battle, ultimately the gameplay wasnt the best tho
i dunno what Flash is clicking in that 8 rax vs 4p game, he miss rallies his rine out/doesnt change his rax rally point but his scv scout saw the lings coming, how do you not prioritize selecting ur rine the second it comes out to bring it behind ur wall and lift ur rax to make a full wall with 2nd depot?
like ya i get that his rine spawns outside in that location but my point is whats going through his mind and whats he prioritizing action-wise over selecting his rine and rax in that situation, theres nothing else to click (cus he completely forgets about his rine)
or in the last game why do u need to defend ur main when u know z is pure allin, theres no depots or anything in ur main anyways, ur depots are at ur nat and ur bunk/1 rax is there, just run scvs to nat and lift ur cc to ur nat.. why a move 4-5 slow rines out in the open vs speedlings trying to defend ur main? when u know speedlings are coming at u anyways from the front (not enough production to defend main + nat anyways, he only has enough production to defend 1 location)
just some really weird mistakes that u dont normally see Flash making, only explanation is that the mistakes were cus of nerves but those are very weird decision making and basic mechanics mistakes that u dont expect to see from him
and ofc i woulda like to see more valk/bio mix ups instead of purely going mech off his bo/eco leads, i wont complain too much about that tho cus that was part of his prep for w/e reason
Flash is the type of player who usually does a build and has every adjustment/response ready, even for the worst case scenarios like in those ling allin games in the 8 rax vs 4p game and the last game on matchpoint.. but it looked like he was completely caught off guard, like to the point where it looked like he never prepped to defend vs those builds in practice games.. u would think its impossible that he didnt prep for those scenarios but the way he reacted made it look like he didnt
on somas end his micro and mechanics were great as usual but his b.o prep was pretty bad, dunno why he didnt open pool first in the first games (or at least the 2nd game, we can give him a pass for Jane Doe cus its a non standard map) so he wouldnt fall behind in the mindgames vs cc first, he let Flash control the series b.o-wise cus of how the first few games played out, the funny thing is he still ended up winning the game he opened ovp vs 1 rax cc on Attitude (which is the scenario it looked like he was trying to avoid in the first few games)
The marine rally vs 4 pool had me shouting at the screen. Super weird mistake. It’s sloppy when you don’t update a factory rally point after pushing and a tank yolos across the map. It’s quite another when you literally only have one production building and one marine and you let it run across the map. His plan worked, two CC first into super fast defensive rax four pool, and yet he lost.
On May 27 2026 08:36 quaristice wrote: something nobody has mentioned is that main minerals layout mines more efficiently than natural on that map, especially if soma mineral boosts at all (difficult at that stage in the game with everything else going on but obviously not impossible)
Cause man, that's just nonsense, that doesn't matter. Flash had more SCVs, that's all you need to know. And a bunker. Forget that it didn't cover the mineral line well and forget loading up the game and testing it! All Terran ever needs to do is turtle behind a bunker and no adversity is too great enough. Terran always can win, don't you know?
FlaSh had the build order advantage in all 7 games according to the jinjin videos and still soma made it, wow! I'm a new fan.
You can really tell FlaSh's wrist problems were in effect here though, the final SCV/marine micro was basically non-existent, and prior to that he had lost SCVs off-camera from no micro as well.
Caster Park saying ASL wins without FlaSh are only half-wins was funny but almost true, I'm glad soma showed that non-FlaSh players can still somewhat match his level.
On May 27 2026 11:20 Freezard wrote: FlaSh had the build order advantage in all 7 games according to the jinjin videos and still soma made it, wow! I'm a new fan.
You can really tell FlaSh's wrist problems were in effect here though, the final SCV/marine micro was basically non-existent, and prior to that he had lost SCVs off-camera from no micro as well.
Caster Park saying ASL wins without FlaSh are only half-wins was funny but almost true, I'm glad soma showed that non-FlaSh players can still somewhat match his level.
It felt to me Flash was doing a bit of a Mini in rolling the build dice and hoping to leverage big advantages that way.
I’ll trust the pro hivemind, as you say they thought Flash had the BO advantage most games.
Which I think makes Soma’s triumph that little bit more impressive! He didn’t just beat Flash, he beat him while having an opener deficit most games which is pretty darn solid
On May 27 2026 05:51 FlaShFTW wrote: Because you're literally just making things up.
We disagree on what "almost up" means in this specific context, that is not me just making things up.
There is no need to be as aggressive and unpleasant as you are. You could've told the correct details in a friendly way just as easily.
Yes. But I have never disputed that. Idk why people keep talking about this point when it's widely accepted that the game was over at the time of the GG call.
Yes, so as we agree on the conclusion, the specific timings isn't that important at that time. The game was over either way.
The point is that Soma had another hatch on the way which is a factor in why the game was over for Flash by then.
So around 4:00 5 drones in the main with 100 gas in the bank to start lair asap (no mineral eco yet tho) vs 2cc/rax/14scvs and 2 supply depots that can't be touched and at least 150 minerals (because Flash was able to start 2nd rax) That was still anyone's game there if Flash had just lifted main CC and took a minute to build rines and clear main, while still pumping scvs.
Soma's best bet was probably to keep all inning from that point with a fast lair tech. On the other hand with that amount of scvs and bank and 2 ccs Flash could just gamble on mutas and play turret defense, and in case of lurker tech just give up nat while leap frogging back with bunker/turret and get tank to retake nat.
That replay only supports my intuition more - which I had mentioned in the LR before all this debate even started - that the scenario of Flash just immediately mining nat and retaking main with minimal loses a minute or 2 later would have put him ahead rather than behind. Flash could still very much lose to how much damage/pressure early lurkers could do given those 2 supplies would be 100% a goner.
To conclude: With all the this/that/then/if scenarios we cannot predict it was stiill anyone's game IF Flash wasn't stubborn about fighting lings in main with just his scvs and just immediately started mining the nat like effort said. Anyway the right choice didn't happen and Soma easily won or had easily won if Flash started mining nat at the GG timing (which no one sane was talking about in the first place).
It doesn't even matter if Flash was winning / losing. This was a do-or-die game7 and unbelievable that Flash gg'ed early without playing it out. I would've understood if it was an earlier game and Flash wanted to conserve energy.
For some reason I dont think he realized how few drones Soma had and he just gg'd from tilt? That did not seem like a gg situation vs an incredibly low eco 2 hatch. Ofc Flash knows WAY more than anyone here but it seemed worth playing out. Soma could've fumbled
I wouldn't be surprised if GG timings have gotten much better and quicker since Daily Proleagues. At the GG timing I imagine he had less than <1% to still win that, so I don't mind him typing gg and leaving at that point instead of giving a Fantasy GG 3-5 minutes later.
On May 27 2026 16:34 Peeano wrote: So around 4:00 5 drones in the main with 100 gas in the bank to start lair asap (no mineral eco yet tho) vs 2cc/rax/14scvs and 2 supply depots that can't be touched and at least 150 minerals (because Flash was able to start 2nd rax) That was still anyone's game there if Flash had just lifted main CC and took a minute to build rines and clear main, while still pumping scvs.
Soma's best bet was probably to keep all inning from that point with a fast lair tech. On the other hand with that amount of scvs and bank and 2 ccs Flash could just gamble on mutas and play turret defense, and in case of lurker tech just give up nat while leap frogging back with bunker/turret and get tank to retake nat.
That replay only supports my intuition more - which I had mentioned in the LR before all this debate even started - that the scenario of Flash just immediately mining nat and retaking main with minimal loses a minute or 2 later would have put him ahead rather than behind. Flash could still very much lose to how much damage/pressure early lurkers could do given those 2 supplies would be 100% a goner.
To conclude: With all the this/that/then/if scenarios we cannot predict it was stiill anyone's game IF Flash wasn't stubborn about fighting lings in main with just his scvs and just immediately started mining the nat like effort said. Anyway the right choice didn't happen and Soma easily won or had easily won if Flash started mining nat at the GG timing (which no one sane was talking about in the first place).
Yeah no pro gaslighting can convince me the game is over if Flash gives up his main for maximum 2 minutes, counting from the first runby.
Plus, saying that holding onto main is the only viable way to continue the game is just a pipe dream. It's only true if you look at it from an outcome point-of-view (as in: if I hold main and block nat runby, I'd be ahead). Yeah, no shit. But how do you achieve that exactly? That's like saying if I hold a bunker rush after 12 Nexus 1 Gate 0 zealot then I'd win. Sure you would, but you're not gonna hold that.
And I haven't seen anyone raise this point: the whole point of holding the main is to be ahead in economy, yet with speedlings running rampant there and your SCVs having to keep drilling over and over, how long until you can build your fucking gas, let alone mine from it, to start preparing for Mutas? If you transfer to nat, the gas can be built immediately. Just put 1-2 marine under it to guard the lings, if they get agressive then welcome to bunker range.
If you do a pros and cons list between holding main and evacuating to nat, it looks almost mental to not do the latter:
Holding main: - Pros: slilghtly more efficient mining. Yeah, that's about it. - Cons: SCV mining getting constantly disrupted - SCVs getting picked off by lings - slower gas timing - and the most important one, your nat is completely open!!
Evacuating nat: - Cons: slightly less efficient mining. Difficult sim city. - Pros: SCVs are protected - nat entrance is protected - faster gas timing
Brother if FlaSh actually send all his scvs to his natural Soma could have even made a Hatchery inside flash main and build sunkens to that natural xD. he had drones inside that main afterall :D
And here i was pumped-up about to write some "Queen" lyrics about Flash being the savior of the universe! But he could not even save his own skin by evacuating his main base scvs & boosting his natural for a while until a critical amount of marines would have accumulated.
Is this truly going to be Flash's last competitive TV appearance? The way i will remember him will be like this:
1. Loosing to JD in their last ever TV battle (and for that matter loosing it clean after a huge build order win). 2. Throwing the match to shit vs. Soma, cause he lacked confidence in himself when there was still a chance.
On May 27 2026 20:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Brother if FlaSh actually send all his scvs to his natural Soma could have even made a Hatchery inside flash main and build sunkens to that natural xD. he had drones inside that main afterall :D
You can build a hatchery with 100 gas now? Did I miss a patch?
On May 27 2026 20:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Brother if FlaSh actually send all his scvs to his natural Soma could have even made a Hatchery inside flash main and build sunkens to that natural xD. he had drones inside that main afterall :D
On May 27 2026 20:36 Artas1984 wrote: And here i was pumped-up about to write some "Queen" lyrics about Flash being the savior of the universe! But he could not even save his own skin by evacuating his main base scvs & boosting his natural for a while until a critical amount of marines would have accumulated.
Is this truly going to be Flash's last competitive TV appearance? The way i will remember him will be like this:
1. Loosing to JD in their last ever TV battle (and for that matter loosing it clean after a huge build order win). 2. Throwing the match to shit vs. Soma, cause he lacked confidence in himself when there was still a chance.
No way!
It’s up to Flash, I get the impression he won’t play unless he thinks he can show well, Flash level games on the regular.
His dismantling of Light was probably this season’s standout performance, but otherwise he has looked rather more mortal at times.
EPT
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