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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 193
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Jefferson
93 Posts
I am burstin into tears right now, i swear i am. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:25 Xxio wrote: If Flash forfeit, walked out or something, would he still have been awarded the money for 2nd place? I kind of hoped he would. I mean, the kid is rich as it is. Eventually, some progamer/coach/manager is going to have to take a stand against KESPA's bullshit and show them that there are actually consequences for raping E-Sports. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Not particularly happy with how MBC handled everything. I felt as if they coulda done a better job informing the viewers about what was happening instead of simply lollygagging around and teasing us with 3 commercial breaks. Great games in games 1-3. However, was disappointed in the way things turned out. Hopefully MBC gets their shit together for the next season (if there even is one). | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:24 Vivi57 wrote: To all the jd fanboys: yes, jd raped flash strategically. That's very far from actually raping him. Even though he destroyed flash completely with his opening in game2, he still managed to lose. Flash is the better player so jd had to use these tricky openings to gain a small edge in the games. If you do believe strategy is 100% of who makes a better player, look at flash vs movie on hbr. Movie does *everything* right strategically, but still loses. Strategy alone doesn't make you a great player. No... Movie did everything right UNTIL he decided to go late arbiters and allow Flash to take half the map without trying to dent his army. He had many chances to do so, especially since Flash didn't have vultures with speed and mines for a long time. A good start does not equate to doing "everything right strategically". Actually, it was Flash who played his disadvantage perfectly strategically into late game. | ||
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Cyrox
Sweden147 Posts
Flash, you're decent but nothing compared to the king. GGs! | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:25 StRyKeR wrote: A regame, as someone already mentioned, isn't the magical "fairest solution" in all circumstances. It sucks for the player who was ahead. It wasn't fair to Flash either though. I think G3 being replayed would of been the fairest solution. | ||
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LorD_AreS
Canada208 Posts
I really don't want to say who was better player tonight, expect big 0 for mbc and kespa. And the waiting with all the commercials arrgggg!!!! TSL is better organized then this. Good night all ! | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:20 Ace wrote: and for the last time JAEDONG DID NOT HAVE FULL TECH game 3. Jesus. It was going to come down to MM/Vessel vs Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge micro AGAIN. Stop making shit up for fucks sake. Wait. What is a FULL TECH zerg then`? he had 3-5 ultras (or maybe 2-4 but must be close to 3-5 considering his fast upgrades), he had defilers. Oh damn, he haven't had devourers, that not a full tech zerg, alright. Anyway, the game might not be over 100%, but a rematch would have been as unfair to jaedong. Jaedong played great and probably have been robbed as much as flash. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:27 FireGuyX wrote: It wasn't fair to Flash either though. I think G3 being replayed would of been the fairest solution. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Either decision fucks someone. Now whichever decision you support basically depends on whether you're a Flash or Jaedong fanboy. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you're right, jaedong played so well flash just won by luck he played like shit in game 2 jaedong is bonjwa 4ever This is SuperArc man. He never says it directly but he's passive aggressive with his dislike towards Flash and absolutely loves Jaedong. That said the people posting in this thread simply makes the whole Starcraft community look like children. Personally, what surprises me is that Kespa didn't have a proper way of dealing with this situation. Most of the time, I'd assume they'd just restart the game since that is what literally anyone in any sport would do when such a massive disruption of this scale occurs but I guess eSports is different from other sports. Assuming Kespa doesn't really have anything concrete to deal with such a situation, I'd have prefered Flash to simply walk out and take a stand. Seriously, how many times has Kespa completely fucked over players with either shitty rules or grey decisions? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:27 FireGuyX wrote: It wasn't fair to Flash either though. I think G3 being replayed would of been the fairest solution. what? no it wouldn't lol. Jaedong had a special build prepared for that map and it was working. The only fair "solution" was not having this happen in the first place. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
2 hatch muta IS the counter to Flash's build, it just took JD's micro and determination to kill Flash before Flash got marine range to get it to work. His muta micro was amazing and it beat Flash in game 1 and 4, and likely 5 if it was played on Match Point. There was no right answer, and if it had been replayed and Flash had won, we'd be saying JD got robbed when he was ahead and lost it mentally after that. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I kind of hoped he would. I mean, the kid is rich as it is. Eventually, some progamer/coach/manager is going to have to take a stand against KESPA's bullshit and show them that there are actually consequences for raping E-Sports. I'm wondering if that was the reason (money) KT decided not to forfeit...makes sense imo seeing as at that point the series was totally fucked anyways | ||
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gravity
Australia1734 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:20 EvilTeletubby wrote: I can guarantee THAT solution would result in riots.  Only because people don't understand probability, expected value, etc :/. | ||
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:27 LorD_AreS wrote: All I would like to say, alot of you are fanboys of either flash or jaedong and compare both none stop in these few games... Seriously your going to do this. This was terrible organization and screwed the games, the feeds and the pleasure watching this. This should of been Epic instead it was septic. I really don't want to say who was better player tonight, expect big 0 for mbc and kespa. And the waiting with all the commercials arrgggg!!!! TSL is better organized then this. Good night all ! I felt like JD was strategically ahead of Flash, and did well against the 1 rax CC. However, aside from game 1, in games 2 and 3 Flash was pretty much displaying some of the best TvZ macro/micro that I've ever seen. Absolutely stunning play. Too bad MBC robbed us of what could have been a great finals. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:29 StRyKeR wrote: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Either decision fucks someone. Now whichever decision you support basically depends on whether you're a Flash or Jaedong fanboy. It sure fucked Flash when he on to game 4. I'm more of a Flash fan then a Jaedong fan, but no one should be given a win automatically based on who thinks someone was ahead. I thought Flash would of won G3. | ||
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Tossim111
United States246 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:25 StRyKeR wrote: A regame, as someone already mentioned, isn't the magical "fairest solution" in all circumstances. It sucks for the player who was ahead. Yeah it sucks, but it sure as hell is much easier to suck in knowing that the series is still tied at 1-1 with 2-3 games still being played, as opposed to being down 1-2 and coming off a game that did not even finish. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OBVIOUSLY FLASH SUCKS FOR NOT PLAYING PERFECT STARCRAFT AFTER HAVING A WIN HANDED OVER TO HIS OPPONENT AND HAVING HIS TEAM AND COACH FIGHT WITH REFS FOR AN HOUR AND HAVING HIS DAD ESCORTED AWAY BY SECURITY if only flash was good enough to wipe his mind clear of all that like the bonjwa jaedong then maybe he would deserve a starleague title but lol he sucks Yes exactly. Everyone who has been around the SC scene long enough knows that mind games play such a large role in a progamer's ability to play. The only real games we got were games 1 + 2. We got half of game 3. What the other half looks like, well some people will say that Jaedong had the game, no problem, and other people will say that Flash still had a good fighting chance before the blackout came. These are not necessarily fanboys, but people with unbiased and informed opinions. Game 3, we can only say, should not count. And for Game 4? Well, we come back to mind games now. Flash was not even given the chance to fight for game 3. Then Flash see's all the people closest to him upset and enraged at the management, at KeSPA, at so many other people. It makes the MSL victory now so intangible for Flash - not in that he cannot with by ability, but the reality of the win, its signifigane have all been drained away, leaving Flash distracted and unmotivated. Why do you comtinue to play? The show must go on. Flash's last game was more political than anything else. If he left the building that would mean a feud with KeSPA. If he put on any less of show, in fact, in game 4 than he did, that could alsohave been taken as an insult to KeSPA - that he was intentionally not playing his best to show his resentment for the situation. But did he really try the way he would have if there was no blackout, or if there was no hour long dispute of anger and confusion between his team, KeSPA, his Dad, and MBC management? Games 3 and 4 were a farce. If you feel that game 3 was not because Jaedong was ahead in the end, then unfortunately you will have to let it go anyways. The blackout is to blame. Unless Flash himself announces that he was very likely to have lost, I will, and I think every one should as well, not count this game. Speculation on this has just gotten everyone enraged to no end. Jaedong got a trophy, because that is just how the system works. In the end, everyone got robbed. If Jaedong would have won the series, he would have proved himself as a dominant Zerg player, possibly the best of all time. Flash too, could have proved himself as even possibly the best player, at a single moment, in the history of SC gaming, with his OSL win and his Proleague domination. The fans too missed out on a great series. Sure games 1 and 2 were good, but it feels like they were just a warm up for the epic play we were to see in game 3, 4, and 5. In the end, it is unsatisfactory to blame the blackout. In my eyes, it is MBC's scapegoat for the whole issue. To be honest, I thought the venue was too small, but the virtual room was not a bad idea. Players, I believe can actually focus better in such conditions which results in heightened play. Where MBC screwed up was, well with the power. Did the block or the street lose power for a second, - I don't know. Perhaps they should have used generators on the booths to keep them going in case of such an incident. The only conclusion I can draw here, is that it is hard to blame anyone. This is just an MSL to forget, except by MBC and their management crew. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On January 23 2010 21:29 Xxio wrote: I'm wondering if that was the reason (money) KT decided not to forfeit...makes sense imo seeing as at that point the series was totally fucked anyways I don't think the sponsors would have been happy | ||
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