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boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 12:23 GMT
#3821
On January 23 2010 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:20 Ace wrote:
and for the last time JAEDONG DID NOT HAVE FULL TECH game 3. Jesus. It was going to come down to MM/Vessel vs Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge micro AGAIN. Stop making shit up for fucks sake.

If Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge isn't full tech what is?


Bro, he obviously didn't have Broodling and Ensnare! Duh?!?
starcraft is the greatest game ever
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1780 Posts
January 23 2010 12:23 GMT
#3822
ok we are done with this shit, GOOOOOO BOXERRRRR GOOOOOO SAVIOR QUALIFY FOR NEXT OGN!!!!
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 23 2010 12:23 GMT
#3823
There was no right decision to make after the power outage. They made what the presumably thought was the most fair decision, but it still wasn't right. After that the finals were over.

There's not much point arguing about what was the right decision. If they replayed and Flash stomped JD and then bunker rushed him to death in game 4 it would have been tainted for Flash too. In actual fact JD was the one who got shafted here, because their decision meant that he was snubbed of any hope of a legit victory.

So yeah, no winners in this MSL.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States292 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3824
I wanted flash to walk out of the tournament after he was awarded a loss. I don't know what kind of penalties that would incur but I think it may have been worth it at that time. It would have saved everyone the time and let Flash keep some of his pride, and drive to defeat Jaedong and take the first rank on kespa.

This way, no one is happy except rabid Jaedong fans.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3825
On January 23 2010 21:19 machinus wrote:
Jaedong won two games, and was awarded the MSL title. There is no way to pretend that makes sense.


Exactly. It's unfortunate that there was a black-out on game 3, but giving an automatic win to Jaedong was totally unfair to Flash, that game should of replayed. If Flash typed GG legitimately, I doubt the KT coach and his dad would be causing an uproar.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
verteqz
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada89 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3826
On January 23 2010 21:19 iG.SwOrD wrote:
So giving the win to JD who had the edge in the game is blasphemy while giving a re-game to Flash who was losing is okay? Damn i got it now , its all about Flash. The game usually goes to the player who had advantage and everybody knows who had the edge. Was it all 'fair and square' ? Hell since when everything in this world is fair?


The point is that the advantage wasn't big enough to give JD a win.
// verteqz.com
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3827
On January 23 2010 21:20 Fionn wrote:
Flash and Jaedong should just have a boxing match.

Winner gets the MSL title.


well... alright... but pretty much any swing jaedong takes is gona hit flash in the head.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3828
Think of it this way: bo3 finals, jaedong won 2-1.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3829
To all the jd fanboys: yes, jd raped flash strategically. That's very far from actually raping him. Even though he destroyed flash completely with his opening in game2, he still managed to lose. Flash is the better player so jd had to use these tricky openings to gain a small edge in the games.

If you do believe strategy is 100% of who makes a better player, look at flash vs movie on hbr. Movie does *everything* right strategically, but still loses. Strategy alone doesn't make you a great player.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3830
Sad day for every StarCraft fan .
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3831
On January 23 2010 21:23 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:21 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, IMO the real blame for screwing up Flash's mental state for game 4 falls on Flash's dad and his coaches. The power outage happened, yes. Kespa is fucked one way or another. But you know what? Flash can deal. Awarded wins have happened before, and Flash is capable of handling that. What destroyed him was his coaches' unprofessional response and his dad going downright apeshit.


Yeah, his Dad probably should have kept his cool, but Flash is 17. He probably felt like his child was getting screwed over by adults. It isn't like Flash was going to object the decision. He's still a teenager; he wouldn't go up against people twice his age.

Like I said, it's ironic. In trying to make things fair for his son, he screwed up his son's mental state, which arguably caused Flash to fuck up horribly in game 4.
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3832
On January 23 2010 21:19 iG.SwOrD wrote:
So giving the win to JD who had the edge in the game is blasphemy while giving a re-game to Flash who was losing is okay? Damn i got it now , its all about Flash. The game usually goes to the player who had advantage and everybody knows who had the edge. Was it all 'fair and square' ? Hell since when everything in this world is fair?

believe it or not, there are actually ppl in tl that can't tell jd was in the lead
( ・´ー・`)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 23 2010 12:24 GMT
#3833
A true Jaedong fan wouldn't be happy with this result. Even if he didn't get a default win, the fact that he was even involved with this ugliness is insulting to him and everyone who supports him.
RIP Aaliyah
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3834
At least this is the biggest OSL/MSL/Proleague Final thread of all-time, I believe.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3835
On January 23 2010 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:20 Ace wrote:
and for the last time JAEDONG DID NOT HAVE FULL TECH game 3. Jesus. It was going to come down to MM/Vessel vs Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge micro AGAIN. Stop making shit up for fucks sake.

If Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge isn't full tech what is?


Lurkers to defend a fucking possible drop maybe?

Ultra/ling is not full tech. The same way as 3/3 MM isn't considered full tech. You know, because FULL TECH means every unit you'd expect to see in the match up.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3836
If Flash forfeit, walked out or something, would he still have been awarded the money for 2nd place?
KTY
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3837
In that one and a half fucking hour they took to resolve the situation, they could have just started a new game and set it up to be exactly as it was left in the previous game (same units alive, same buildings, same leftover minerals) and continued from there.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1756 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3838
On January 23 2010 21:24 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:19 machinus wrote:
Jaedong won two games, and was awarded the MSL title. There is no way to pretend that makes sense.


Exactly. It's unfortunate that there was a black-out on game 3, but giving an automatic win to Jaedong was totally unfair to Flash, that game should of replayed. If Flash typed GG legitimately, I doubt the KT coach and his dad would be causing an uproar.


A regame, as someone already mentioned, isn't the magical "fairest solution" in all circumstances. It sucks for the player who was ahead.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3839
On January 23 2010 21:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OBVIOUSLY FLASH SUCKS FOR NOT PLAYING PERFECT STARCRAFT AFTER HAVING A WIN HANDED OVER TO HIS OPPONENT AND HAVING HIS TEAM AND COACH FIGHT WITH REFS FOR AN HOUR AND HAVING HIS DAD ESCORTED AWAY BY SECURITY


This.

Firstly, game 3 Kespa was the biggest mistake I've ever seen. Sure, Flash is down, and JD secured the double gas. But his bases had just been set up, and honestly, NO game is over until it's over, which is why we have something called "COMEBACKS" that happen quite a lot. Also, maybe for normal terrans it's impossible to comeback vs JD in that situation. BUT THIS IS FLASH. You can NEVER say it's over till it's over. If JD were in the same situation, I'd say the exact same thing. For both of these players, the only end is when one types "gg" or gets eliminated from the game.

Second, Flash is LITERALLY A KID. GIVE THE KID A DAMN BREAK. He earns more money than any teenager around, everyone expects him to beat EVERYONE including JD and never lose, he's used like a sweat shop child worker, the power randomly goes out on his biggest match of the year, Kespa officials give the game away to JD when the game was not fully decided, his dad is forcibly removed from the premises, his teammates & coaches are absolutely pissed all around him, which probably stresses him out too... are you KIDDING ME? ~17 years old and having to deal with ALL THAT CRAP? such ignorant people around, saying JD this that, but never considering the situation of the other side.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#3840
On January 23 2010 21:23 King K. Rool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:22 snapcrackle wrote:
On January 23 2010 21:20 Ace wrote:
and for the last time JAEDONG DID NOT HAVE FULL TECH game 3. Jesus. It was going to come down to MM/Vessel vs Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge micro AGAIN. Stop making shit up for fucks sake.

If Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge isn't full tech what is?

greater spire brah

:D
Thanks for bringing some lightness back into this thread.
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