[I] Valkyrie Use, TvZ. - Page 3

On October 05 2008 01:08 Phyre wrote:

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't loading up big portions of your army into overlords be a bad idea if he's killing most of your overlords?

On October 05 2008 01:18 JMave wrote:
I think the most deadly thing about this build is execution. Of course all builds require good execution but to pull off something like this in the long run is probably going to take an exceptional level of control as well as game-sense. Failing to do so however, will set you behind really, really far if you lose your first few valks and getting swarmed by zerg guys. While it was nice seeing in the video how the ovies died(dead ovies are cooler than live ones), I guess once this build gets to be more familiar with the zergs out there, perhaps it won't be as effective.

With that being said, this build has just been conceived. Maybe through more refining and certain clarfication and other things, I think it will be a build to fear and mech terrans vs zerg would probably be more common.

But still, I'd really want to see what BoxeR is going to do with this build. Maybe he has something up his sleeves.

Protecting those overlords in the first place should be no problem at all since he cant do much with 2 valks (scourge own him in case of spire opening, hydras own him in case of den opening). By the time he has 4+ valks u should have at least 10 hydras ready to be able to protect most of ur lords.

On October 05 2008 01:35 damenmofa wrote:

Well of cus it wont work if he has perfect gamesense and u are an idiot which shows ovi-speed to him and load up ur entire army in front of his nat. If he is really good (he wont do that build unless he thinks he is far superior to you but lets just assume hes really good and does) you have to get sneaky and do stuff like 2 small sized drops simultaneously or fake drop -> he pulls some tanks back/unsieges -> rape front. Of course if you just load up everything and fly ur overlords straight into his 4+ valks ur a retard and lost the game.
Protecting those overlords in the first place should be no problem at all since he cant do much with 2 valks (scourge own him in case of spire opening, hydras own him in case of den opening). By the time he has 4+ valks u should have at least 10 hydras ready to be able to protect most of ur lords.

On October 05 2008 02:10 fusionsdf wrote:


this is theorycraft isnt it?

On October 05 2008 02:56 -orb- wrote:
The only problem is whenever you breathe hard like to laugh or something the microphone pops really really loud.

On October 05 2008 02:40 damenmofa wrote:

holy crap its a strategy forum, what do you expect people to do? And dont say the videos mean anything, as he said himself, people just lost cus they probably have bad gamesense and never played against such a strategy. I am 100% certain this strategy will never become a "standard" strat among progamers. Why? Cus its just weak and unreliable against an opponent of equal calibre and strategical understanding.

On October 05 2008 03:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:

If sair in ZvP was invented today, you would say the same.

On October 05 2008 01:35 damenmofa wrote:

Well of cus it wont work if he has perfect gamesense and u are an idiot which shows ovi-speed to him and load up ur entire army in front of his nat. If he is really good (he wont do that build unless he thinks he is far superior to you but lets just assume hes really good and does) you have to get sneaky and do stuff like 2 small sized drops simultaneously or fake drop -> he pulls some tanks back/unsieges -> rape front. Of course if you just load up everything and fly ur overlords straight into his 4+ valks ur a retard and lost the game.
Protecting those overlords in the first place should be no problem at all since he cant do much with 2 valks (scourge own him in case of spire opening, hydras own him in case of den opening). By the time he has 4+ valks u should have at least 10 hydras ready to be able to protect most of ur lords.

On October 05 2008 03:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Actually... I would have gone vultures.

You said you have too much money.

So, you add 3 facts, and make your tanks plus mass vulture, and mine everywhere. And, well, he is pretty fucked I guess. That's perfect counter if he goes lings.


Starcraft is so rich. It's umbelievable. And well... Boxer is Boxer, as influent as ever.

On October 05 2008 06:24 Empyrean wrote:
Haha, I've tried this a long time ago when I still attempted to play Terran. Obviously I didn't have the execution you did so I failed miserably ;D

Anyway, will you be releasing these replays anytime soon?

One thing that you may wish to address is the potential use of Devs+Hydras+Lings against your build. Devourers and a few Mutalisks pretty much wreck enemy air, but it really isn't used much because of the huge opportunity cost for teching Devs and actually spending money on them. But hey, it might end up saving the Zerg money by having a relatively lower cost in replacing the Overlords and the fact that the Terran spent lots of money getting upgrades and a large number of Valks. So perhaps in this case, Devs/Mutas could be effective? Perhaps even Guards? It'd take a massive amount of economy to support it, though...it's all just random theorycraft. Just throwing things out there.

On October 05 2008 06:28 d(O.o)a wrote:


If this zerg did this it is still very easy for the terran to transition into gols/tanks

On October 05 2008 06:24 Empyrean wrote:
Haha, I've tried this a long time ago when I still attempted to play Terran. Obviously I didn't have the execution you did so I failed miserably ;D

Anyway, will you be releasing these replays anytime soon?

One thing that you may wish to address is the potential use of Devs+Hydras+Lings against your build. Devourers and a few Mutalisks pretty much wreck enemy air, but it really isn't used much because of the huge opportunity cost for teching Devs and actually spending money on them. But hey, it might end up saving the Zerg money by having a relatively lower cost in replacing the Overlords and the fact that the Terran spent lots of money getting upgrades and a large number of Valks. So perhaps in this case, Devs/Mutas could be effective? Perhaps even Guards? It'd take a massive amount of economy to support it, though...it's all just random theorycraft. Just throwing things out there.