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404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
October 04 2008 10:33 GMT
#21
On October 04 2008 19:26 Delirium wrote:
nintu, you cheeky bastard <3

<3 =)
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway868 Posts
October 04 2008 10:40 GMT
#22
Doesn't the zerg expo all over the map if they see you opening this way?
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
October 04 2008 10:42 GMT
#23
On October 04 2008 19:40 stenole wrote:
Doesn't the zerg expo all over the map if they see you opening this way?


That's what happened in the second game of that video. If they do vs my first game build, I just roll over with tanks and bio.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
October 04 2008 10:57 GMT
#24
Great video! The only counter for zerg I can think of is teching fast and go for devourers+hydras (and swarm+cracklings vs tanks). Queens just might be viable vs this strat as ensnare would basically stop them dead (very dead indeed).

I really liked the Sair/reaver style in game 2, it was hilarious when he rofl'd at scourge getting owned, haha.
"If I think, everything is lost"
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
October 04 2008 11:15 GMT
#25
What is the god damn limit thingy?
I was playing PvZ and I had like 6 reavers and none of them shot any carapace even they tho they were full! I lost becouse of that, ultras raped them for free.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
October 04 2008 11:45 GMT
#26
There was a replay uploaded on tl that was similiar to this. It was on katrina bbyong[kal] vs some zerg.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 04 2008 12:32 GMT
#27
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.
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hiroxx
Profile Joined July 2008
Ireland115 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 12:42:47
October 04 2008 12:42 GMT
#28
omg that video is awesome, cant wait to try this tac

i was wondering though, why not go for heavy MnM use instead of focusing on tanks? i always thought mnm ripped hydra to shreds and you'll severely outnumber him since he'll be having to share his larvae between producing hydras and overlords, and mnm are very quick to mass

wondering what your thoughts are on this
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 04 2008 12:45 GMT
#29
omfg!

MASS TANKS A LA ILOVEOOV!!!
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 04 2008 13:22 GMT
#30
On October 04 2008 21:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.

What about ghosts + nukes ? ;D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
October 04 2008 13:41 GMT
#31
On October 04 2008 22:22 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 21:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.

What about ghosts + nukes ? ;D


My thoughts exactly.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 04 2008 13:44 GMT
#32
On October 04 2008 22:22 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 21:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.

What about ghosts + nukes ? ;D


Defiler plague? Queens (if Zerg actually made them) ensnare? Besides ghosts are pretty easy to kill and i think even one ovie can survive long enough to let a small group of hydras or lings to kill one
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1805 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 14:13:53
October 04 2008 14:10 GMT
#33
I've given this build some thought and I do agree with writer on the counters to this build.

If we apply theorycraft mechanics, I'd say that terran is really at a disadvantage early on due to the massive amount of resources that this build demands so bunker placement is really, really key. I'd say this build requires around 3 gas bases for it to be sustained if you're going to go tanks and valks with upgrades(yikes). So a possible counter would be to stop a third gas. But in your video I noticed you pulled off quite alot of damage with just 2 gas.

I think scouting on zerg's part is key and if he scouts for valks, all mutas and scourges would pose almost no threat if valks number builds up. Maybe a fast lurkers would be viable due to a later academy hence later scans and detection.

In terms of macro however, I think terran would be at a massive advantage when valks number builds. Hydras with speed may prove worthy though. I think queens, as writer had pointed out, with ensnare may prove to be useful as well considering the mix with speed hydras to counter. Plague can also be a really good effective counter provided the amount of zerglings required can be produced since ovies are popping like balloons.

These are just my thoughts and I'd say it can actually prove to be a very effective build to add on with marines and medics since there's a surplus of minerals.


EDIT: Its also a real nice surprise and a refreshing experience to see BoxeR back in the scene and even revolutionising SC yet again with just a one-day appearance.
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
October 04 2008 14:49 GMT
#34
Haha this is so awesome man, props to you Nintu! If I ever get time to play again I want to try this. Keep us updated on your refinements, your commentaries are great. Do you plan to release some reps eventually?
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 04 2008 15:20 GMT
#35
Bravo a very interesting build and you had excellent execution of it. I'll give that a try when I get on my other computer.
Hi.
heyitsme
Profile Joined June 2008
153 Posts
October 04 2008 15:33 GMT
#36
great job this build looks very scary

I would agree with JMave though, how well would this do against 2 hatch lurks?
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
October 04 2008 15:37 GMT
#37
sorry but no, this is crap against a zerg who knows what hes doing. Like others said, hyd/lurk rape the shit out of you, especially when coupled with drops. U say siege tanks rape hyd/lurk, but I say u can NOT have more than 4-5 Siege Tanks and a group of m&m when u go 2 port valks at the time the zerg hits you with like 2 grps of hydras and 5-10 lurks. If he uses drop, things even get more messy for u as u have to turtle like shit while the zerg can keep the pressure up and expo like hell. Damn, even humiliation tactics like throwing in queens with broodling for the tanks work against someone investing that much eco in valks so early on.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 04 2008 15:49 GMT
#38
On October 04 2008 22:41 Delirium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 22:22 Boblion wrote:
On October 04 2008 21:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.

What about ghosts + nukes ? ;D


My thoughts exactly.


someone please please do this

It would make my day
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-04 16:08:36
October 04 2008 16:08 GMT
#39
On October 05 2008 00:37 damenmofa wrote:
sorry but no, this is crap against a zerg who knows what hes doing. Like others said, hyd/lurk rape the shit out of you, especially when coupled with drops. U say siege tanks rape hyd/lurk, but I say u can NOT have more than 4-5 Siege Tanks and a group of m&m when u go 2 port valks at the time the zerg hits you with like 2 grps of hydras and 5-10 lurks. If he uses drop, things even get more messy for u as u have to turtle like shit while the zerg can keep the pressure up and expo like hell. Damn, even humiliation tactics like throwing in queens with broodling for the tanks work against someone investing that much eco in valks so early on.

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't loading up big portions of your army into overlords be a bad idea if he's killing most of your overlords?
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
October 04 2008 16:09 GMT
#40
On October 05 2008 00:49 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 22:41 Delirium wrote:
On October 04 2008 22:22 Boblion wrote:
On October 04 2008 21:32 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The problem with comparing this to PvZ corsair is that Zergs don't have to fear cloaked DT's running around in ZvT.

What about ghosts + nukes ? ;D


My thoughts exactly.


someone please please do this

It would make my day

Oh my god!

Slayers Boxer the Emperor and the Revolutionist. This has to become mainstream, lololo.
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