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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
I can't say I experimented with it too much after making these vods. I think valkyries are great for supplimenting mech and such, but overall at higher ranks, I'd say it would be difficult to make it an effective strategy. (mass valks that is.) I still love raping D/C ranks with it. =D | ||
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johnnyD
United States78 Posts
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
I saw this game, but is this build really worth it? I know the valkyries were very powerful when sniping the overlords, but... What I am worried about is the gas consumption. 3 factory tanks with valkyries does seem to be huuuuuuuge | ||
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StayPhrosty
Canada406 Posts
edit: 1st post w00t! hi TL | ||
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titan55
United States227 Posts
i just want to say, i LOVE your build.. its super fun to play on iccup against those funny D players haha but just one question... can you give a more detailed discription about how to follow up with it? like, when to build the rax and/or facts and when to push out.. i seem to always win by basically shutting their unit count down to below 80.. and then i just mass up to 150 and push.. however, those games take 20+ minutes.. are there anyway to shorten it? thanks! | ||
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
We are both low D level players (NOT D-), and I had a lot of fun playing with valks. What I did was, instead of tanks or M&M, I went for vultures. Mines take down a lot of shit (as the replay shows, 7 vultures ended up killing several lurkers during a single drop), but they can also backfire (at one point, I lost nearly half of my ground army to a single mine drag.....). I am definitely going to do this a little more often. As for shortening the game - I doubt it. The only thing this build has going for it is the ability to shut down production for the Z player. You still need to keep your production up to be able to kill them. | ||
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larryhoo
Singapore32 Posts
Zerg should be able to counter Valkyries with Queen (Ensare) + Hydras. And using Ensare With Lurkers Lings can work very well. Queens also can come in handy to kill Tanks with Spawn. What do you all think? | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On August 14 2009 05:50 larryhoo wrote: Hi all, Zerg should be able to counter Valkyries with Queen (Ensare) + Hydras. And using Ensare With Lurkers Lings can work very well. Queens also can come in handy to kill Tanks with Spawn. What do you all think? No. Any time you need to rely on queens is almost a guaranteed lose unless you are jaedong or significantly better than your opponent (ensare comes out ridiculously slow and really hard to aim well). Hydra/lurk fast bust works. If later game, just hydra/ling/defiler vs valk/tank. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 14 2009 06:03 resonance wrote: No. Any time you need to rely on queens is almost a guaranteed lose unless you are jaedong or significantly better than your opponent (ensare comes out ridiculously slow and really hard to aim well). Hydra/lurk fast bust works. If later game, just hydra/ling/defiler vs valk/tank. Or unless you're  ZerO and you're not as good as your  opponent...It would truely be fascinating if Queens were used as a counter to valks, and it's not entirely farfetched, Valks are not stunningly fast units, and nobody has really ever been able to micro-manage them that attentively- thus I could see the Queen timing being pushed up as a counter. The bigger problem is that Valks are a better counter to mutalisks (which the OP did not anticipate) and production of queens would come at the end of any window for muta harass. I always think Queens should be used more though. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
can you give a specific BO? | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 14 2009 06:10 tree.hugger wrote: Or unless you're ZerO and you're not as good as your opponent...It would truely be fascinating if Queens were used as a counter to valks, and it's not entirely farfetched, Valks are not stunningly fast units, and nobody has really ever been able to micro-manage them that attentively- thus I could see the Queen timing being pushed up as a counter. The bigger problem is that Valks are a better counter to mutalisks (which the OP did not anticipate) and production of queens would come at the end of any window for muta harass. I always think Queens should be used more though. I think you could use queen ensnare to either: 1. run overlords away, either to hydras or just spread them across the map to buy time 2. counterattack with mutas while valks are being fat somewhere else Besides that, alot of plague should be useful in countering valk/biomech | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On October 04 2008 17:56 Sigrun wrote: That only matters if you play on fastest maps. TBH this is a lie, this pixel limit thing happened to me on BGH not so long ago. Usually any map with stacked minerals = limit or if 8 players gets 100-150 supply. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
There seems to be no solid counter to tank-valk. I wonder if it could be transformed from a 2 fact opening into 2 fact 2 port..... Slower valks, but greater ground presence..... Will have to try it out (at my pitiful D level.....). | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
On October 04 2008 18:00 Tropics wrote: The sprite limit will never come into play in a real 1v1. I experimented with valks a bit a few months ago and one of the main things I noticed is that they're REALLY frustrating to control. Half the time you'll spam right click to try and get them to move and they refuse to do it. Half your group will go and the other half will sit there getting wrecked by hydras/spores/scourge while firing at an overlord and you've just lost a massive investment Pretty sure you know this but it is because Valikyries need to fire off all their missiles before moving. So only engage when you know there aren't any Hydras or spores. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Rlentless
Hong Kong322 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
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