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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On October 30 2012 09:28 Dontkillme wrote: Pretty sure you know this but it is because Valikyries need to fire off all their missiles before moving. So only engage when you know there aren't any Hydras or spores. You can stack the valkries and pull them back while they shoot though using patrol. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On October 30 2012 10:05 Pucca wrote: I'm assuming this would not happened in a 1v1 TvZ? it shouldn't in any realistic situation i think the sprite limit is 1000 or 2000, i don't really remember any unit/building is a sprite and any ranged projectile is a sprite fun fact: if the sprite limit is reached, buildings and units at the top (topleft i think, might be top right though) have priority, so if you spawn on the top half of the map in zero clutter or fastest you can actually force your opponents to stop building if you build enough overlords. once units start trading you get larvae but they still can't build anything lol | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On October 30 2012 11:01 Dead9 wrote: it shouldn't in any realistic situation i think the sprite limit is 1000 or 2000, i don't really remember any unit/building is a sprite and any ranged projectile is a sprite fun fact: if the sprite limit is reached, buildings and units at the top (topleft i think, might be top right though) have priority, so if you spawn on the top half of the map in zero clutter or fastest you can actually force your opponents to stop building if you build enough overlords. once units start trading you get larvae but they still can't build anything lol WHAT REALLY You never told me this?  | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
 Fun video, maybe I'll try experiment with it in my D world.  | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
lol, i love bw. so many little and proly alot of unknow facts about the coding^^ | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
i'm the fastest master yo~ | ||
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Savi[wOk]
United States81 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On November 03 2012 06:18 Dead9 wrote: or u could just get 2 wraiths The amount of micro required to kill off those mutes would be too much | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On November 03 2012 06:18 Dead9 wrote: or u could just get 2 wraiths Valkyries are much better against mutas, they're far more durable. Splash damage, 200 hp, and especially the base 2 armor makes it easy for a group of valkyries to deal with a greater number of mutas. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On November 03 2012 07:30 Dead9 wrote: but we're talking about guardians here Guardians can't shoot up anyway. Valks will kill them somewhat slower than Wraiths, but will be more economical, as well as being stronger against mutas in the midgame, and you'll still be able to get science vessels easily after a just a handful of valks to irradiate guardians as the main counter anyway. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
wraiths don't require an armory, don't require an addon, are a lot cheaper, deal more damage (single target but still), move faster, are microable, can dodge scourge | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it's not a stylistic choice, wraiths are just flat out better if you're opening standard bio | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On November 03 2012 13:07 Dead9 wrote: yes, you can go valkonic or biomech and use valks to counter guardians, but if you're opening bio there's never any reason to go valks versus guards it's not a stylistic choice, wraiths are just flat out better if you're opening standard bio It's using valks to counter 3 hatch muta, and then using leftover valks to help, like I said you don't keep building valks if he does decide to go into guardians. You can get wraiths early to harass zerg too, but the mutas will wipe the floor with them. The wraiths are more offensive early, the valks are more defensive early. You don't decide to start building valkyries when you scout guardians. You just have some left over. If you want to suddenly build something you didn't already have to counter them, obviously wraiths are better. But getting a few valkyries defend against 3 hatch mutalisk harass(pretty standard actually), and then transitioning into vessels works just fine. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
getting a few valkyries to defend against 3 muta harass isn't very standard with a bio opening, it cuts into vessel production pretty bad | ||
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On November 03 2012 23:27 Fyrewolf wrote: The first guy you responded too never mentioned bio, but it does cut a little into vessel production, it's a setback but it's not too bad. Depending on timings I can squeeze out 2-5 valks while I'm securing another base, building science facility, researching vessel abilities, and getting more starports. Vessel cloud is slightly delayed, but it works out. If I didn't already have valks for other situations would definitely go for wraiths, they are better for that specific situation. Have you experimented with this do you have any replays? | ||
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