EPTDoes anyone know how KR pros practice these days?
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CicadaSC
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Durnuu
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Mizenhauer
United States1850 Posts
On February 14 2025 20:51 CicadaSC wrote: whenever i check sc2pulse (ladder ranking website) koreans are almost never active on their accounts. Ive heard some people say they leave league and just dont get placed, and I know that is true to some extent, but it doesnt happen en masse like people make it out to be. How do I know this? Check the profiles of the people who do actually ladder and u can see who they get matched against. Its not these secret accounts. Furthermore, you can say they are not practicing much because its offseason but ive been following KR Ladder for years and its been like this for quite some time. I mostly pose this question for anyone who might have insider knowledge, do KR pros like rogue, classic, dark cure etc practice mostly custom games? or do they not really practice much anymore? When i check EU pros ladder accounts like serral, maxpax, clem, showtime etc they practice on ladder pretty regularly. If anyone knows whats going on please share here thank you! The fact that someone would ask this question clearly illustrates the absurdity surrounding the arguments about the team house environment versus the pre/post Proleague era and the effect it had on player performance. We can infer that players were under some sort of practice regimen since they were being paid to play/prepare for Proleague during the KeSPA era, but the people who are making "definitive statements" about the conditions in those environments are doing so without any real information as to exactly how and why players of different time periods were affected by their ability to practice. There are a few people on this site that have insight into player preparation (when I say a few, I mean a smaller amount than you would probably guess), but they are not the ones engaging in these constant back and forth discussions where neither side has any concrete evidence or metrics to actually prove their point. But, since both sides are completely ignorant (and are lacking the means to prove their position) they are able to continue an argument that has been debated with no end in sight since the dissolution of Proleague nearly 10 years ago. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada116 Posts
but trust me bro, sc2 skill level has been the highest its ever been! the game is more competitive than ever! pros today would eat pros that actually practiced for lunch! r/starcraft | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1143 Posts
On February 15 2025 00:36 THERIDDLER wrote: they don't but trust me bro, sc2 skill level has been the highest its ever been! the game is more competitive than ever! pros today would eat pros that actually practiced for lunch! r/starcraft It must be a uniquely Starcraft-ish view of the Esports world to think that you are either in a teamhouse or do not practice at all... That bein said, I would not be surprised if almost all koreans are not really in practice right now, because there is basically no reason for it. | ||
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tigera6
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ejozl
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Poopi
France12793 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1628 Posts
On February 15 2025 06:00 Poopi wrote: Practice for what tournament? There are no majors expected KR ladder has been inactive for years. tournament or not. | ||
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ashliezelatkinson
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jinjin5000
United States1422 Posts
On February 15 2025 06:23 CicadaSC wrote: KR ladder has been inactive for years. tournament or not. soO mentioned part of reason of him quitting was lack of games on ladder when he qued on stream whereas he got fast matches on BW | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1850 Posts
On February 15 2025 07:02 jinjin5000 wrote: soO mentioned part of reason of him quitting was lack of games on ladder when he qued on stream whereas he got fast matches on BW Pretty much. It's hard to get games on demand via ladder. The best way to reliably get games is playing in online cups. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25090 Posts
On February 15 2025 00:36 THERIDDLER wrote: they don't but trust me bro, sc2 skill level has been the highest its ever been! the game is more competitive than ever! pros today would eat pros that actually practiced for lunch! r/starcraft The former isn’t exactly based on nothing. While it was a sweep the level of Serral versus Clem at EWC was pretty insane Of course it’s daft to claim the scene has the competitive depth it used to as well. Maru aside, and it’s not always, in fairness probably more down to injury than anything else, Koreans haven’t shown much close to peak Clem, or Serral’s general baseline for quite some time. Not just Koreans either to be fair. Reynor has struggled to bring his peak form to bear for quite some time now. | ||
Waxangel
United States33360 Posts
On February 15 2025 00:36 THERIDDLER wrote: they don't but trust me bro, sc2 skill level has been the highest its ever been! the game is more competitive than ever! pros today would eat pros that actually practiced for lunch! r/starcraft That's probably true tho. The thing people ignore is that the TRAJECTORY of SC2 skill almost certainly flattened since KeSPA left the scene and popularity declined in general. The theoretical "SC2 is more successful universe" pros of 2025 would probably destroy the majority of the present day 2025 pros, and the same formula is applicable to pretty much any competitive endeavor (competitors would be better if said discipline was more popular). | ||
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ScrappyRabbit
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Jealous
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On February 14 2025 20:51 CicadaSC wrote: If anyone knows whats going on please share here thank you! Foreign pros are late to realizing SC2 is not a viable career path + are not historically capable of migrating from SC2 to another RTS, in part due to welfare protections from Blizzard, and in part due to not having the history a lot of Korean pros have with BW and each other, and furthermore in a greater part due to not having the presence/relevance in the StarCraft scene on Afreeca. A Korean player can try to pivot from SC2 to BW and stream on Afreeca, join various leagues and competitions, and know everyone there. A foreigner has none of that privilege, access, or luxury. Serral, Clem, etc. have only one goose to pursue for golden eggs. Koreans have alternatives. The same way that retired BW pros from 2 decades ago were forced to create a life for themselves outside of eSports, so too will this generation of SC2 pros. They will not pivot to BW. They will not pivot to another RTS like a couple before them have to AoE2 or similar. They will just accept living a normal life with all of the drawbacks of having played videogames for more than half of their life. | ||
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Lambertus
South Africa973 Posts
On February 19 2025 16:08 Jealous wrote: Foreign pros are late to realizing SC2 is not a viable career path + are not historically capable of migrating from SC2 to another RTS, in part due to welfare protections from Blizzard, and in part due to not having the history a lot of Korean pros have with BW and each other, and furthermore in a greater part due to not having the presence/relevance in the StarCraft scene on Afreeca. A Korean player can try to pivot from SC2 to BW and stream on Afreeca, join various leagues and competitions, and know everyone there. A foreigner has none of that privilege, access, or luxury. Serral, Clem, etc. have only one goose to pursue for golden eggs. Koreans have alternatives. The same way that retired BW pros from 2 decades ago were forced to create a life for themselves outside of eSports, so too will this generation of SC2 pros. They will not pivot to BW. They will not pivot to another RTS like a couple before them have to AoE2 or similar. They will just accept living a normal life with all of the drawbacks of having played videogames for more than half of their life. I do think it can be a lot less tragic than you make it sound! (At least like it sounds to me). I read your implied judgement about their choices and that it was not a viable choice to play videogames for a living? I think its ok, especially for europeans, because a lot of them come from countries with a very stable social security system and strong academic or other possibilities, even later in life - although we are still talking about very young people, in general under 30, when they go back to the so called "normal" life. Of course it is not all of them that make a good transition, but I do feel its a lot less negative then you make it sound  I would love such a series by the way! interviews or something about the early (maybe forgotten) pros - how are they doing? what are they doing? Hmm...Wax, what do you think? ;-) | ||
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Elroi
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