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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19398 Posts
On October 26 2018 13:16 Alpha-NP- wrote: Does Protoss ever use Recall and PvZ, and if not, why not? Are there any pro Korean games where recall is used PvZ? I feel like it is underused. Thanks. Here's a tougher question. Does anyone remember hallucination being used in a PvZ? | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
question is how effective is burrow-ling timings vs non 1-1-1 builds, anyone got exp with that? | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On November 02 2018 08:57 Alpha-NP- wrote: I have a very specific question to ask about a particular game. I have been wondering for a long time why Scan in this TvP, where he went bio against goon/Reavers says he would need Ghosts soon? How are Ghosts good against Reavers in Shuttles? Surely he just would use a cloaked control group to snipe and not use Lockdown right? It was a pretty cool game. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aa6mD1IxME Didn't open your link, but from your description he must've been referring to lockdown. Nothing else would make sense. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On November 05 2018 11:35 Jonoman92 wrote: Didn't open your link, but from your description he must've been referring to lockdown. Nothing else would make sense. I ageee with you. I read Ghosts do Concussive damage to large units which would mean they do only 2.5 damage. It would take forever to kill a Reaver. So he had to have meant Lockdown. Thanks. | ||
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Tempest
United States147 Posts
On November 02 2018 12:16 BisuDagger wrote: Here's a tougher question. Does anyone remember hallucination being used in a PvZ? HuK vs idrA greatest hallucination in a PvZ, ever. Highly recommend watching that one on youtube if you don't know what im referring to :D EDIT: Just realized this is the BW forum, im an idiot, please ignore me. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On November 08 2018 12:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Anyone ever tried using Hallucinated Zealot drops on Siege Tank lines in PvT since Hallucinations take twice the damage? Figurd it would be good. All that means is the hallucinated zealots would die so fast that it wouldn't be very effective, except maybe in some uber late game battle of attrition situation. I haven't ever tried picking up a hallucinated unit that I can remember, though I'd assume it's possible. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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Alpha-NP-
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Jealous
10413 Posts
On November 08 2018 12:52 Alpha-NP- wrote: Anyone ever tried using Hallucinated Zealot drops or Hallucinated Archon drops on Siege Tank lines in PvT since Hallucinations take twice the damage? Figurd it would be good. They have been used to clear mines but not as drops, or at least not in any prominent modern games that I know of. On November 08 2018 13:15 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote: The tanks still take the same amount of damage I'm actually not so sure that they would. Don't unit sizes have something to do with how splash works? In other words, because the Archon is bigger, less splash would hit the adjacent tank? | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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Highgamer
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I guess the alternative which is STORM (!) is a reason why it's not seen very often - apart from the fact that it just takes more attention/preparation than to just pick up zealots with the drop (who oftentimes do some damage themselves when they survive a volley of not too many siege-shots). It's just one of the techniques that is an optimization in theory but too much to handle in real games unless there is a particular situation where the player has a lot of time, and even then he has to 'go out of his way' to do it. I think there would be other great uses of hallucination though, as a tactical feint for example when Protoss still has a low zealot-count after a battle or something. If I unsieged my tanks, scanned and saw 20 zealots (10 hallucinated) instead of 10, I don't know if I would think of the possibility of some of them being hallucinated, or, if I did, if I would actually take that risk. Similarly a hallucinated speed-shuttle or arbiter, just flewn into sight-range of a spotter-barracks around my 3rd base would surely force me to react to a non-existend, easy to fake threat. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28917 Posts
then I'm hallucinating and loading up shuttles and he moves out of his base I didn't have stasis and I didn't really have much storm and all my units were disorganized and there was like 30 supply of useless templars. my shuttles with hallucinated zealots didn't do shit against his unsieged tank group rolling over me, and I died without it being remotely close. Out of all 'crazy' shit I've tried to be creative, hallucinated zealot drops is one of the worst failures. It could have some potential in some weird gas rich mineral poor stalemate situation, but those almost never happen, and frankly, it's hard to see this be better than having 15 arbiters. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
i think they played that game @ nate msl edit: Found it, TLPD too stronk! | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway668 Posts
 ).Would that have any practical use in games? I.e., could you time it and try to snipe ultras before they pop? Although, you'd have to gamble on where they'll be built, and it' require a lot of mehacnics, and dropships and such to pull off, rather than just mining the map. So I might have answered my own question, but even so - is there any potential to it? | ||
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Steeles21600
52 Posts
I have about 150 apm or so but i have been stuck in F rabk for a couple of months. Is terran just not even a reasonable possibly at this level? I like both toss and Terran well so id be ok with playing toss over Terran but from what i understand you will lose horribly in every MU until you reach semi-pro skill. | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
313 Posts
On November 09 2018 23:58 Steeles21600 wrote: I have been trying to find advice on TvP and TvT but i always see people just saying to change to toss. I have about 150 apm or so but i have been stuck in F rabk for a couple of months. Is terran just not even a reasonable possibly at this level? I like both toss and Terran well so id be ok with playing toss over Terran but from what i understand you will lose horribly in every MU until you reach semi-pro skill. 150 is fine, your problem is most likely not mechanical | ||
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Steeles21600
52 Posts
But everything terran does is more difficult. Any time i play toss its just so much easier. If i actually sat down with toss for a few weeks i could probably get to E rank. Im just not sure if thats wise. TvZ is hard but i have fun with it and i don't get tvts hardly so more or less no opinion. Tvp is the one i cant do. It doesn't matter how good my macro is because the push is just dissassembled. I know there are ways to counter it but it requires such apm and skill. The skill floor for terranfeels so high that i could be a c rank toss by the time im able to win F rank TvP. @rand0MPrecisi0n | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
313 Posts
On November 10 2018 00:17 Steeles21600 wrote: Well for one its obviously mechanical, i had a coach get to a bank using only 1 base zealot abd i cant get that out of f rank. But everything terrab does is more difficult. Any time i play toss its just so much easier. If i actually sat down with toss for a few weeks i could probably get to E rank. Im just not sure if thats wise. TvZ is hard but i have fun with it and i don't get tvts hardly so more or less no opinion. Tvp is the one i cant do. It doesn't matter how good my macro is because the push is just dissassembled. I know there are ways to counter it but it requires such apm and skill. The skill floor for terrab feels so high that i could be a c rank toss by the time im able to win F rank TvP Terran is for people that like Terran. If you care about rank and getting easy wins play toss. That said, 150 apm is more than enough to get out of F. The problem is you most likely don't know how to use your apm effectively. | ||
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