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Jealous
10403 Posts
On January 24 2021 07:21 Rus_Brain wrote: Technically ShieldBattery is running old 1.16.1 version, right? Connection is peer2peer or some sort of a hostbots are possible? (Like WC3 Novosibirsk/Russia hostbots make Eu vs Kr playable) They have been working on making it work with RM. | ||
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Comedy
474 Posts
On January 24 2021 07:21 Rus_Brain wrote: Technically ShieldBattery is running old 1.16.1 version, right? Connection is peer2peer or some sort of a hostbots are possible? (Like WC3 Novosibirsk/Russia hostbots make Eu vs Kr playable) It's peer to peer. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10889 Posts
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
tbh, I prefer SCR queue system than to shield battery. I have 0 problems playing koreans 95% of the time and I found shield battery to be a bit unforgiving in skill levels of other players. | ||
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tec27
United States3722 Posts
On January 24 2021 07:21 Rus_Brain wrote: Technically ShieldBattery is running old 1.16.1 version, right? Connection is peer2peer or some sort of a hostbots are possible? (Like WC3 Novosibirsk/Russia hostbots make Eu vs Kr playable) We have Remastered working (but it's not on our public server currently). Network connections are proxied peer-to-peer (that is, each pair of players in a game picks a proxy server that is ideal for them, so a game still involves a separate connection per pair of players, but there are no issues with port forwarding/hosting ever). On January 24 2021 16:43 SchAmToo wrote: gonna be a bummer if queue breaks more. tbh, I prefer SCR queue system than to shield battery. I have 0 problems playing koreans 95% of the time and I found shield battery to be a bit unforgiving in skill levels of other players. I'm not sure what that judgment really means tbh, we never shipped matchmaking on ShieldBattery to the public (or had open account creation), so there's not really much to compare. The previous launch of SB was a closed beta that never got to the point of delivering the basic features we had in mind before Blizzard made development very hard. | ||
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
On January 24 2021 11:05 TelecoM wrote: Where is a safe place to download the 1.16.1 version to see how it plays now ? Is it possible? SC 1.16.1 is included in SCHNAIL (you need to register before download): https://schnail.com As a bonus you get bots to play against. ICCup webpage provides download as well. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12065 Posts
Given Fish's anti cheat was essentially Malware I'd say that was a problem. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
 \tec27 doing God's work | ||
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Jealous
10403 Posts
On January 25 2021 00:49 toriak wrote: SC 1.16.1 is included in SCHNAIL (you need to register before download): As a bonus you get bots to play against. This version of 1.16, as far as I am aware, is packaged specifically for SCHNAIL and I've not been able to use it for multiplayer - I had spoken to Sonko about it, and this was intentional. However, I didn't try ICCup, so that might still work. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 25 2021 00:51 Qikz wrote: Given Fish's anti cheat was essentially Malware I'd say that was a problem. It was all-around a pretty bad platform. I remember for the longest time it was just straight Fighting Spirit until they finally added a couple of new maps to ladder at the very end. The veteran playerbase was its only saving grace. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
On January 24 2021 21:21 tec27 wrote: We have Remastered working (but it's not on our public server currently). Network connections are proxied peer-to-peer (that is, each pair of players in a game picks a proxy server that is ideal for them, so a game still involves a separate connection per pair of players, but there are no issues with port forwarding/hosting ever). Question on this, but doesn't this increase latency between players by having a proxy server in between? If my ideal proxy is in euro, the korean's is in korea, do we then have to wait for the proxies to transmit to each other or is 3rd 'middle' proxy chosen to alleviate this? Would there be an optional forced p2p for those of us capable of portforwarding? | ||
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Comedy
474 Posts
Or hosted like rus_brain suggested, in Novosibirsk, probably can even get TR24 low between korea and europe then. (as happens in WC3). | ||
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tec27
United States3722 Posts
On January 25 2021 06:25 Armathai wrote: Question on this, but doesn't this increase latency between players by having a proxy server in between? If my ideal proxy is in euro, the korean's is in korea, do we then have to wait for the proxies to transmit to each other or is 3rd 'middle' proxy chosen to alleviate this? Would there be an optional forced p2p for those of us capable of portforwarding? Given the prevalence of easy DDOS, allowing/encouraging straight P2P play as games used to do just seems like a pretty bad idea to me. It also prevents us from monitoring things on boxes we control (for things like hacking, collecting replays as the game progresses, assigning true disconnect fault, etc.). These proxy servers can actually provide *improved* latency though. You shouldn't see them as necessarily an additional hop outside of the normal path, but rather a *different* hop, one that is in a big network provider's datacenter that has good connectivity/routes to other parts of the world. We don't pick ideal proxy servers based on your connection, we pick it based on *the pair of players*. So your "ideal proxy" would be the one that minimizes latency between you and the Korean player together, not something that is chosen in isolation. People use VPNs to guarantee a particular (fast) route to other areas of the world, and it's sort of a similar idea. At some point in the future we may even adopt a more directly similar approach, or use something like NetworkNext which is focused on maintaining that sort of network. We don't have any kind of analytic data to support this, but anecdotally players were far happier with our approach (especially in team games) than ICCup, despite the underlying game protocol being identical. I'd encourage you to actually try it out before you ask us to roll it back  | ||
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Jealous
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4200 Posts
Anyway at this point I just hope they maintain the servers, update new ladder seasons once a quarter, fix bugs and hacks. That's all I ask for really. | ||
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oxKnu
1268 Posts
On January 26 2021 17:03 Dante08 wrote: Anyway at this point I just hope they maintain the servers, update new ladder seasons once a quarter, fix bugs and hacks. That's all I ask for really. Um, maybe I'm missing something but when did they actually do this? | ||
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