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so basicaly they fucked wc3, made some cash and then abandoned it...
W3Champions is nice and they are heroes of the scene. But I can't believe Blizzard (Activision) is just gonna leave the game without a ladder and all the other missing features.
Wc3 reforged without W3C is 10 times worse than TFT was and it does not only miss old features, but almost nothing new is in the game. No extra skins apart fromt the preorder skins, no ingame hotkeys etc... just worse graphics (at least for multiplayer).
Thankfully the hardcore scene will mange fine without Blizzard. But the fact that they forced us to pay for that bullshit again (since the original TFT was taken down) and just made everything worse, is honestly a crime.
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On January 23 2021 18:54 TelecoM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2021 17:01 tec27 wrote:On January 23 2021 16:18 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On January 23 2021 09:48 Torchise wrote:
The last paragraph of the article says that Blizzard still wants to update WC3:Reforged, although obviously it's no longer in Team 1's hands. Remains to be seen how they will fix the game and how much it will get support.
Team 1 was also responsible for Heroes of the Storm, SC2 as well as SC:R. That explains why Blizzard recently dropped support for all of these games. This pretty much marks the end of old-school Blizzard (if you still had hope of the Blizzard of old to make a resurgence) since it shows that Activision is very willing to interfere with Blizzard's operations. I never liked the game but the War3 rehash has been out for a year now so surely it's in a far more playable state than it was right? The user rating of 0.6/10 on metacritic with 30,000 reviews is an exaggeration yeah? People scoring it low due to blizzard bricking the original client? Nobody should be surprised they closed the team after that PR disaster. Still missing important stuff that was in the original game AFAIK (any ladder first and foremost, the community has produced their own ladder system but Blizzard's is still completely missing). Certainly I don't think the game would have deserved a 0.6/10 on its own merits, but Blizzard was asking (forcing?) people to pay for the game a second time, so it should *at least* provide all the stuff it had before that point. When can we expect more promotion / more announcements about Shield Battery? Thanks for all of your hard work.
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LOL hardly suprising to see Blizzard discontinuing their SC:R support completely now. With the recent problems with hacks and unsafe ladder experience, its a matter of time until this community migrates back to a private server. Playing on the battle.net servers will perhaps be just a short intermezzo.
If something comes up, whether it be Shieldbattery, ICCUp again (in 1.6, i can't see somebody putting in the effort to make SC:R viable on it) or a completely new server, i will be willing to migrate.
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United Kingdom12021 Posts
People keep talking about iCCUP as saviours of sorts but in the last few years before remastered the little that iCCUP cared about BW really shone through with a load of changes pushed through for the DOTA side with no consideration at all to the StarCraft side at all. I remember complaining about something on their forums and getting told im sorry this is how it is, we have to change this for DOTA and because it runs the same we cant change anything.
I'm hoping Shieldbattery can take over, because I never want to touch iCCUP again.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
This absolutely felt inevitable from the get-go. Though SCR got a lot of good fanfare at the beginning, I always felt that transitioning back to a Blizzard-centered system would eventually end badly. To its credit, it came at a time when ICCup was in terminal decline and the only other credible incumbents (e.g. Fish) were terrible, but a private server solution was always the answer in the long run. Games survive better if you don't depend on its publisher to stay interested in it, that's a lesson learned through painful experience many times over.
At least it wasn't as bad as WC3: Refunded.
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On January 24 2021 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
This absolutely felt inevitable from the get-go. Though SCR got a lot of good fanfare at the beginning, I always felt that transitioning back to a Blizzard-centered system would eventually end badly. To its credit, it came at a time when ICCup was in terminal decline and the only other credible incumbents (e.g. Fish) were terrible, but a private server solution was always the answer in the long run. Games survive better if you don't depend on its publisher to stay interested in it, that's a lesson learned through painful experience many times over.
At least it wasn't as bad as WC3: Refunded.
What was terrible about Fish?
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On January 24 2021 00:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2021 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
This absolutely felt inevitable from the get-go. Though SCR got a lot of good fanfare at the beginning, I always felt that transitioning back to a Blizzard-centered system would eventually end badly. To its credit, it came at a time when ICCup was in terminal decline and the only other credible incumbents (e.g. Fish) were terrible, but a private server solution was always the answer in the long run. Games survive better if you don't depend on its publisher to stay interested in it, that's a lesson learned through painful experience many times over.
At least it wasn't as bad as WC3: Refunded. What was terrible about Fish?
Minimal map support for ladder, generally unfriendly to newcomers / foreigners. Its obvious saving grace was its large number of skilled Korean players to play with, but with ICCup in terminal decline and Fish being the only option, it certainly felt like something important was missing throughout that period.
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On January 24 2021 01:16 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2021 00:52 Jealous wrote:On January 24 2021 00:16 LegalLord wrote:
This absolutely felt inevitable from the get-go. Though SCR got a lot of good fanfare at the beginning, I always felt that transitioning back to a Blizzard-centered system would eventually end badly. To its credit, it came at a time when ICCup was in terminal decline and the only other credible incumbents (e.g. Fish) were terrible, but a private server solution was always the answer in the long run. Games survive better if you don't depend on its publisher to stay interested in it, that's a lesson learned through painful experience many times over.
At least it wasn't as bad as WC3: Refunded. What was terrible about Fish? Minimal map support for ladder, generally unfriendly to newcomers / foreigners. Its obvious saving grace was its large number of skilled Korean players to play with, but with ICCup in terminal decline and Fish being the only option, it certainly felt like something important was missing throughout that period.
The trick was to not be a foreigner. There were plenty of resources for learning the most basic words needed to survive, and Korean is very easy to read if you want to go that way. Communities like TL force everyone to speak English, so I never saw that as a real issue. There were also foreigner channels
But yes, in a way, any filter will automatically exclude those for whom even small barriers are too much trouble, so it wasn't ideal. Terrible is a stretch, though, and is looking at it only from the (possibly stubborn) perspective of the small foreign scene of the time.
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This is highway robbery! Activision/Blizz made promises...then they took the money and ran. I'm going to demand a refund!!
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quick question - is ASL played on SC:R and what does this mean for the future of korean "pro" scene?
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On January 23 2021 20:17 Musicus wrote:
so basicaly they fucked wc3, made some cash and then abandoned it...
W3Champions is nice and they are heroes of the scene. But I can't believe Blizzard (Activision) is just gonna leave the game without a ladder and all the other missing features.
Wc3 reforged without W3C is 10 times worse than TFT was and it does not only miss old features, but almost nothing new is in the game. No extra skins apart fromt the preorder skins, no ingame hotkeys etc... just worse graphics (at least for multiplayer).
Thankfully the hardcore scene will mange fine without Blizzard. But the fact that they forced us to pay for that bullshit again (since the original TFT was taken down) and just made everything worse, is honestly a crime.
Reading all these horror stories of WC3:R makes me realise how much we lucked out on BW:R...
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On January 24 2021 04:33 Miragee wrote:
Reading all these horror stories of WC3:R makes me realise how much we lucked out on BW:R...
you lucked out and i havent played for 4 years
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On January 23 2021 16:18 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2021 09:48 Torchise wrote:
The last paragraph of the article says that Blizzard still wants to update WC3:Reforged, although obviously it's no longer in Team 1's hands. Remains to be seen how they will fix the game and how much it will get support.
Team 1 was also responsible for Heroes of the Storm, SC2 as well as SC:R. That explains why Blizzard recently dropped support for all of these games. This pretty much marks the end of old-school Blizzard (if you still had hope of the Blizzard of old to make a resurgence) since it shows that Activision is very willing to interfere with Blizzard's operations. I never liked the game but the War3 rehash has been out for a year now so surely it's in a far more playable state than it was right? The user rating of 0.6/10 on metacritic with 30,000 reviews is an exaggeration yeah? People scoring it low due to blizzard bricking the original client? Nobody should be surprised they closed the team after that PR disaster.
The only updates we've received for Reforged outside some minor campaign bug fixes in the first month have been mockup screenshots of UI; this is how profiles will look, this is how ladder will look etc. They've always just said it's still in the planning stage and that the actual update will be coming soon. So yea, 1 year later and there are still no profiles, stats, ladder etc. The game would be completely dead if it wasn't for w3champions(a 3rd party community ladder).
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On January 24 2021 05:01 toriak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2021 04:33 Miragee wrote:
Reading all these horror stories of WC3:R makes me realise how much we lucked out on BW:R... you lucked out and i havent played for 4 years
I haven't played, either, nor did I buy it. I meant we as a community.
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classic blizzard
or i guess, not classic blizzard, because the classic teams gone now
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Russian Federation1890 Posts
Technically ShieldBattery is running old 1.16.1 version, right?
Connection is peer2peer or some sort of a hostbots are possible? (Like WC3 Novosibirsk/Russia hostbots make Eu vs Kr playable)
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