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On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be
I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies.
Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... (it comes to mind that many will say that Kespa is just trying to protect their product, well if that's the case, I say, protect it, find a different game... oh wait your product is their product? Interseting.)
The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around without it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years.....
EDIT: Just as an afterthought, and to maybe address your post a bit more... Isn't that the whole problem?! Since when are Assumption binding?
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On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years.....
I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007.
You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on.
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This cannot end well for us.
Hopefully this will be resolved without any serious losses, as this could end horribly if each feels unwilling to negotiate.
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On August 11 2010 10:22 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years..... I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007. You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on.
LOL I never said i was repeating anything new, (EDIT: How do you repeat something that is new anyway?) and i'm well informed of the situation, but quite franky I identifiy with assumptions not being binding and USA IP laws being laws far more than I sympathize with competitive video games as a medium for entertainment... (quick start typing up your response to this simplification before you give me a chance)
LOL Why are you posting to disput personal commentary in a thread. I was simply trying to make a point that the pennies blizzard can gain from this aren't very great. I don't truly believe the korean companies have zero leverage. I do however see the majority of the posts in this thread say they have more than they do. Blizzard hardly cares, they're worried about their new game, and that's the point I was intending to make. I suppose your taking this too seriously for me, because to me this is just standard US proceedure. Company oversteps it's bound, feels entitlted, gets slapped, life goes on.
You're gonna accuse me of over-genralizing by painting everything in absolutes, and then in the next post question my understanding... how about lay off the personal attacks.... If saying something new was required, this whole thread should have been closed with just the OP.
Furthermore, The history is largely irrelevant. (to my posts) Blizzard is being generous because the korean companies DO have leverage. I'm sorry if you feel i need to document the differences in personal opinion and actual reality in all of my posts, but I would ask you to do the same. But then we're stuck in the situation of never actually discussing anything because any discordance on reality would quickly result in the revelation that no one knows anything.
Not trying to get all philosophical, but seriously "your not repeating anything new" could be said to almost every single post in this thread... Like your own, Why are you replying?
Can either of us vouch for these companies? Do you think blizzard doesn't have a team of lawyers +more calculating their every move INCLUDING all of this?! Seriously. Blizzard didn't act until it was relevant because it wasn't relevant. If blizzard pursued every breach of ToS everytime it happened, they'd prolly lose an even greater % of their profit margin...
With your ending remarks of that last post, and having read just about everything on TL i can on the subject. I suppose since this is just so fucking simple why didn't we just call em up and solve it for them? Or how about this, everything we say is bindning and all discussion has to go through our lawyers. Or how about I go in to a thread, read a 1000% msgs about how some company made a product and that product was used illegally for years, and they seemed aliright wirth it, and then one day they weren't. and so that company is evil, and I disagree with that analysis of the situation. Should I insult your understanding for that?
EDIT: I suppose I'll mention that I think blizzard is largely irrelevant to this, and furthermore, Kespa or whoever thought they had the rights was being absolutely irresponsible to think that VIVIDENDI would just wave their hand and say NPNPNP... I'd expect nothing less from vividendi than what's happening now. I'm sure their shareholders feel the same. (ya ya acti-blizz is it's own stock, ya ya) From blizzard's point of view consitency going forward is certainly important, thus, if your gonna be a dick about sc2 rights, you gotta whip it out for sc1 too.
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On August 11 2010 00:40 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:35 Diminotoor wrote:
*You go to the store to buy a pie. Mmmm pie.*
*The pie you want should cost .... around $8.95, right?*
*Upon arriving in the frozen aisle, you are astonished to see your pie will cost you $130.00*
<You> Well, screw that I'll just make it myself from scratch.
*Upon tallying up all the costs for pie ingredients, its still going to cost you $110.00*
*You now must make a decision to either be down WAY more money than you logically should be, or go pie-less.*
<Friend> Man, well I just bought a pie but damn was it expensive. You gonna get one?
*Not being able to function/live without pie, you try to negotiate with the store, but the store is run by dick-heads with barely any intelligence.*
*Your family at home reminds you that you will need more pies in the upcoming months as well.*
I don't care who the "proverbial pie" "belongs" to. This sucks for the BW community. I don't know what kind of stores you have in South Korea, but stores where I live never negotiate. So I should call them dickheads?
WHAT!? in korea?
You must not be korean. Or very young. You people have too much shame and lack of experience as opposed to the 아저씨/아줌마s in the art of negotiating prices.
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On August 11 2010 10:40 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 10:22 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years..... I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007. You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on. LOL I never said i was repeating anything new, (EDIT: How do you repeat something that is new anyway?) and i'm well informed of the situation, but quite franky I identifiy with assumptions not being binding and USA IP laws being laws far more than I sympathize with competitive video games as a medium for entertainment... (quick start typing up your response to this simplification before you give me a chance) LOL Why are you posting to disput personal commentary in a thread. I was simply trying to make a point that the pennies blizzard can gain from this aren't very great. I don't truly believe the korean companies have zero leverage. I do however see the majority of the posts in this thread say they have more than they do. Blizzard hardly cares, they're worried about their new game, and that's the point I was intending to make. I suppose your taking this too seriously for me, because to me this is just standard US proceedure. Company oversteps it's bound, feels entitlted, gets slapped, life goes on. You're gonna accuse me of over-genralizing by painting everything in absolutes, and then in the next post question my understanding... how about lay off the personal attacks.... If saying something new was required, this whole thread should have been closed with just the OP. Furthermore, The history is largely irrelevant. (to my posts) Blizzard is being generous because the korean companies DO have leverage. I'm sorry if you feel i need to document the differences in personal opinion and actual reality in all of my posts, but I would ask you to do the same. But then we're stuck in the situation of never actually discussing anything because any discordance on reality would quickly result in the revelation that no one knows anything. Not trying to get all philosophical, but seriously "your not repeating anything new" could be said to almost every single post in this thread... Like your own, Why are you replying? Can either of us vouch for these companies? Do you think blizzard doesn't have a team of lawyers +more calculating their every move INCLUDING all of this?! Seriously. Blizzard didn't act until it was relevant because it wasn't relevant. If blizzard pursued every breach of ToS everytime it happened, they'd prolly lose an even greater % of their profit margin... With your ending remarks of that last post, and having read just about everything on TL i can on the subject. I suppose since this is just so fucking simple why didn't we just call em up and solve it for them? Or how about this, everything we say is bindning and all discussion has to go through our lawyers. Or how about I go in to a thread, read a 1000% msgs about how some company made a product and that product was used illegally for years, and they seemed aliright wirth it, and then one day they weren't. and so that company is evil, and I disagree with that analysis of the situation. Should I insult your understanding for that? EDIT: I suppose I'll mention that I think blizzard is largely irrelevant to this, and furthermore, Kespa or whoever thought they had the rights was being absolutely irresponsible to think that VIVIDENDI would just wave their hand and say NPNPNP... I'd expect nothing less from vividendi than what's happening now. I'm sure their shareholders feel the same. (ya ya acti-blizz is it's own stock, ya ya)
Blizzard was 100% fine with what was going on in the scene until 2007. That's 7 years of Blizzard being okay with what was going on in the Korea.
What's your point? To Blizzard, it's honestly not about profit, it's more about their intellectual property which they felt was abused by what happened in 2007. "History is not relevant"?, it's 100% about history and which is 100% reason why KeSPA and Blizzard are on such bad terms at this point.
I haven't made a personal attack. If you think me calling you uninformed is an attack then I honestly have nothing more to say since it honestly looks like I won't be able to knock you off of your high horse because you seem to at least pretend to know what's going on.
I have never implied that the situation was simple in any sort of way. I have implied that it's a lot more complicated than what you are saying, that is simply it. Either case, you seem to have overreacted quite a bit, and honestly I have zero intention of going further in this discussion until you're actually willing to listen and not just spew more stuff. But seriously, I don't think anyone will be taking you remotely seriously after your last few posts.
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On August 11 2010 10:59 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 10:40 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 10:22 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years..... I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007. You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on. LOL I never said i was repeating anything new, (EDIT: How do you repeat something that is new anyway?) and i'm well informed of the situation, but quite franky I identifiy with assumptions not being binding and USA IP laws being laws far more than I sympathize with competitive video games as a medium for entertainment... (quick start typing up your response to this simplification before you give me a chance) LOL Why are you posting to disput personal commentary in a thread. I was simply trying to make a point that the pennies blizzard can gain from this aren't very great. I don't truly believe the korean companies have zero leverage. I do however see the majority of the posts in this thread say they have more than they do. Blizzard hardly cares, they're worried about their new game, and that's the point I was intending to make. I suppose your taking this too seriously for me, because to me this is just standard US proceedure. Company oversteps it's bound, feels entitlted, gets slapped, life goes on. You're gonna accuse me of over-genralizing by painting everything in absolutes, and then in the next post question my understanding... how about lay off the personal attacks.... If saying something new was required, this whole thread should have been closed with just the OP. Furthermore, The history is largely irrelevant. (to my posts) Blizzard is being generous because the korean companies DO have leverage. I'm sorry if you feel i need to document the differences in personal opinion and actual reality in all of my posts, but I would ask you to do the same. But then we're stuck in the situation of never actually discussing anything because any discordance on reality would quickly result in the revelation that no one knows anything. Not trying to get all philosophical, but seriously "your not repeating anything new" could be said to almost every single post in this thread... Like your own, Why are you replying? Can either of us vouch for these companies? Do you think blizzard doesn't have a team of lawyers +more calculating their every move INCLUDING all of this?! Seriously. Blizzard didn't act until it was relevant because it wasn't relevant. If blizzard pursued every breach of ToS everytime it happened, they'd prolly lose an even greater % of their profit margin... With your ending remarks of that last post, and having read just about everything on TL i can on the subject. I suppose since this is just so fucking simple why didn't we just call em up and solve it for them? Or how about this, everything we say is bindning and all discussion has to go through our lawyers. Or how about I go in to a thread, read a 1000% msgs about how some company made a product and that product was used illegally for years, and they seemed aliright wirth it, and then one day they weren't. and so that company is evil, and I disagree with that analysis of the situation. Should I insult your understanding for that? EDIT: I suppose I'll mention that I think blizzard is largely irrelevant to this, and furthermore, Kespa or whoever thought they had the rights was being absolutely irresponsible to think that VIVIDENDI would just wave their hand and say NPNPNP... I'd expect nothing less from vividendi than what's happening now. I'm sure their shareholders feel the same. (ya ya acti-blizz is it's own stock, ya ya) Blizzard was 100% fine with what was going on in the scene until 2007. That's 7 years of Blizzard being okay with what was going on in the Korea. What's your point? To Blizzard, it's honestly not about profit, it's more about their intellectual property which they felt was abused by what happened in 2007. "History is not relevant"?, it's 100% about history and which is 100% reason why KeSPA and Blizzard are on such bad terms at this point. I haven't made a personal attack. If you think me calling you uninformed is an attack then I honestly have nothing more to say since it honestly looks like I won't be able to knock you off of your high horse because you seem to at least pretend to know what's going on. I have never implied that the situation was simple in any sort of way. I have implied that it's a lot more complicated than what you are saying, that is simply it. Either case, you seem to have overreacted quite a bit, and honestly I have zero intention of going further in this discussion until you're actually willing to listen and not just spew more stuff. But seriously, I don't think anyone will be taking you remotely seriously after your last few posts.
I have trouble not laughing histerically at your post I already have nevermind. You constantly make pokes at me and then say it's because of my high horse tactics. Let's go back to why i made my original post, I'll hold your hand through this the whole way, because as it seems, we don't even really disagree about much.
I came to this thread, read the lastest, browsed through the posts in this thread. some of these posts were very anti-blizzard. I personally believe that Blizzard is in the right. This might be the only place we disagree.
I then vented my frustration stating that IP Laws > Assumptions in many more, less elegant terms. As well as some personal commentary, because, I am not a robot.
You then reply, stating my ignornace, while at the same time having a large ignornace about my knowledge-base. How is this a founded contribution to this thread? Let alone not a personal attack? I guess my horse is too tall for you? (even though it's really just a pony) however, The wind must have caught your words, because you did mention something I overlooked, and I acknowledged it in my later post.
Anyway, I don't really wanna go stepby step and hold your hand. However, if you actually have an argument that disagrees with something I said, rather than making a tiny point, and then agreeing with me while calling me ignorant.
Kespa has no innate right to exist. Blizzard has no innate right to exist. Laws decreed from the people give corporations the right to exist. Further laws give said corporations the right to claim their creations theirs. Further laws give said corporations the rights to claim terms of use over their products in many regards. Do you disagree with any of this? If you do, well then, ofc your on the side of kespa, of course you want to watch more SC:BW. I however, want the law to be upheld, and assumption to be non-binding. Contracts > Assumptions.
Kespa/hanbit/insert relative korean company all dropped the ball...
OMG 7 years blizzard knew? really? Are their rights suspended? This is total nonsense and has nothing to do with the situation in my opinion. I don't care if it was 700 years, if blizzard comes back from the moon and says mine. YOU GIVE THEM THEIRS. Sorry if you can't take me seriously, but i'd think you were not reading and trolling, but due to the icon, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and just assuming (yes non-binding) that your misunderstanding me, because we agree on the terms of reality, just not the morals (Assumption: You think kespa breaking the law is legal).
EDIT: Or yea, just post to make a bunch of assumptions and then instead of actually pressing everything out and generating something worthy of discussion, you can just assume i'm not listening and do the same. If your too frail to proceed with a standard101 internet discussion, you prolly shouldn't have made your first post. Furthermore, if you think i'm overreacting, well i'm sorry, but i actually read words for what they means, and while I thank you for mentioning something i prolly should have mentioned, you prolly shouldn't pair it with assumptions on my worldview (or even what you think i meant) if your not even open to conversation.
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Well Blizzard is a dwarf compared to some of these Korean companies like Samsung. We will see how this turns out.
In my opinion Blizzard has no right to be part of the korean e-sport in anyways. They made starcraft ok, but never cared for it and now they come when their sc2 sales are in danger?What's with all the korean who actually did work hard for e-sport to let the leagues grow etc?.Laugh.
Blizzard: hey thanks for promoting and balancing our game to e-sport nr1 in your country but now we take over, ceeya!
Can't you just let broodwar alone, im not anti-sc2, im totally ok with demanding fees for sc2 but don't for broodwar after all these years now.. If bw dies because more people watch sc2 then ok, nothing you can do, but not this way blizzard.
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On August 11 2010 11:23 Motiva wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 10:59 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:40 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 10:22 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years..... I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007. You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on. LOL I never said i was repeating anything new, (EDIT: How do you repeat something that is new anyway?) and i'm well informed of the situation, but quite franky I identifiy with assumptions not being binding and USA IP laws being laws far more than I sympathize with competitive video games as a medium for entertainment... (quick start typing up your response to this simplification before you give me a chance) LOL Why are you posting to disput personal commentary in a thread. I was simply trying to make a point that the pennies blizzard can gain from this aren't very great. I don't truly believe the korean companies have zero leverage. I do however see the majority of the posts in this thread say they have more than they do. Blizzard hardly cares, they're worried about their new game, and that's the point I was intending to make. I suppose your taking this too seriously for me, because to me this is just standard US proceedure. Company oversteps it's bound, feels entitlted, gets slapped, life goes on. You're gonna accuse me of over-genralizing by painting everything in absolutes, and then in the next post question my understanding... how about lay off the personal attacks.... If saying something new was required, this whole thread should have been closed with just the OP. Furthermore, The history is largely irrelevant. (to my posts) Blizzard is being generous because the korean companies DO have leverage. I'm sorry if you feel i need to document the differences in personal opinion and actual reality in all of my posts, but I would ask you to do the same. But then we're stuck in the situation of never actually discussing anything because any discordance on reality would quickly result in the revelation that no one knows anything. Not trying to get all philosophical, but seriously "your not repeating anything new" could be said to almost every single post in this thread... Like your own, Why are you replying? Can either of us vouch for these companies? Do you think blizzard doesn't have a team of lawyers +more calculating their every move INCLUDING all of this?! Seriously. Blizzard didn't act until it was relevant because it wasn't relevant. If blizzard pursued every breach of ToS everytime it happened, they'd prolly lose an even greater % of their profit margin... With your ending remarks of that last post, and having read just about everything on TL i can on the subject. I suppose since this is just so fucking simple why didn't we just call em up and solve it for them? Or how about this, everything we say is bindning and all discussion has to go through our lawyers. Or how about I go in to a thread, read a 1000% msgs about how some company made a product and that product was used illegally for years, and they seemed aliright wirth it, and then one day they weren't. and so that company is evil, and I disagree with that analysis of the situation. Should I insult your understanding for that? EDIT: I suppose I'll mention that I think blizzard is largely irrelevant to this, and furthermore, Kespa or whoever thought they had the rights was being absolutely irresponsible to think that VIVIDENDI would just wave their hand and say NPNPNP... I'd expect nothing less from vividendi than what's happening now. I'm sure their shareholders feel the same. (ya ya acti-blizz is it's own stock, ya ya) Blizzard was 100% fine with what was going on in the scene until 2007. That's 7 years of Blizzard being okay with what was going on in the Korea. What's your point? To Blizzard, it's honestly not about profit, it's more about their intellectual property which they felt was abused by what happened in 2007. "History is not relevant"?, it's 100% about history and which is 100% reason why KeSPA and Blizzard are on such bad terms at this point. I haven't made a personal attack. If you think me calling you uninformed is an attack then I honestly have nothing more to say since it honestly looks like I won't be able to knock you off of your high horse because you seem to at least pretend to know what's going on. I have never implied that the situation was simple in any sort of way. I have implied that it's a lot more complicated than what you are saying, that is simply it. Either case, you seem to have overreacted quite a bit, and honestly I have zero intention of going further in this discussion until you're actually willing to listen and not just spew more stuff. But seriously, I don't think anyone will be taking you remotely seriously after your last few posts. I have trouble not laughing histerically at your post I already have nevermind. You constantly make pokes at me and then say it's because of my high horse tactics. Let's go back to why i made my original post, I'll hold your hand through this the whole way, because as it seems, we don't even really disagree about much. I came to this thread, read the lastest, browsed through the posts in this thread. some of these posts were very anti-blizzard. I personally believe that Blizzard is in the right. This might be the only place we disagree. I then vented my frustration stating that IP Laws > Assumptions in many more, less elegant terms. As well as some personal commentary, because, I am not a robot. You then reply, stating my ignornace, while at the same time having a large ignornace about my knowledge-base. How is this a founded contribution to this thread? Let alone not a personal attack? I guess my horse is too tall for you? (even though it's really just a pony) however, The wind must have caught your words, because you did mention something I overlooked, and I acknowledged it in my later post. Anyway, I don't really wanna go stepby step and hold your hand. However, if you actually have an argument that disagrees with something I said, rather than making a tiny point, and then agreeing with me while calling me ignorant. Kespa has no innate right to exist. Blizzard has no innate right to exist. Laws decreed from the people give corporations the right to exist. Further laws give said corporations the right to claim their creations theirs. Further laws give said corporations the rights to claim terms of use over their products in many regards. Do you disagree with any of this? If you do, well then, ofc your on the side of kespa, of course you want to watch more SC:BW. I however, want the law to be upheld, and assumption to be non-binding. Contracts > Assumptions. Kespa/hanbit/insert relative korean company all dropped the ball... OMG 7 years blizzard knew? really? Are their rights suspended? This is total nonsense and has nothing to do with the situation in my opinion. I don't care if it was 700 years, if blizzard comes back from the moon and says mine. YOU GIVE THEM THEIRS. Sorry if you can't take me seriously, but i'd think you were not reading and trolling, but due to the icon, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and just assuming (yes non-binding) that your misunderstanding me, because we agree on the terms of reality, just not the morals (Assumption: You think kespa breaking the law is legal). EDIT: Or yea, just post to make a bunch of assumptions and then instead of actually pressing everything out and generating something worthy of discussion, you can just assume i'm not listening and do the same. If your too frail to proceed with a standard101 internet discussion, you prolly shouldn't have made your first post. Furthermore, if you think i'm overreacting, well i'm sorry, but i actually read words for what they means, and while I thank you for mentioning something i prolly should have mentioned, you prolly shouldn't pair it with assumptions on my worldview (or even what you think i meant) if your not even open to conversation.
Are you really trying to prove your point with personal attacks on the translator? I hardly see any arguments within your post. It's quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
If Blizzard came back 700 years later, they would have no more claim to their product by law. I hardly think you're qualified to argue on this topic if you didn't even know that. The IP dispute hasn't gone through court yet, so you can't really say it's against the law. Just that KeSPA stands to lose more in court than Blizzard so they would prefer to avoid that option.
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On August 11 2010 11:54 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 11:23 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 10:59 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:40 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 10:22 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 10:18 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:56 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 09:09 Motiva wrote:On August 11 2010 09:06 writer22816 wrote:On August 11 2010 09:02 Motiva wrote:
lol It looks like im in the minority here, but I can't blame Blizzard or Gretech or any of this. You'd seriously have to your head in the sand to act like kespa orginially did. Furthermore, this idea that because blizzard waited until it was relevant to act, that they shouldn't have acted. This idea is inane. Blizzard should be able to do anything it wants with it's IP until a contract is formally signed. Until then, pay what you owe MBC or stfu. :-D lol. And be glad Blizzard gave you many years of glory for near-free. lol Steal and ask for me.. plz. What do they owe? they spent thousands of man hours getting this game to be esport-viable, making maps, tools, investing large amounts of money, etc. blizzard has done nothing to help them out. lol. I have no idea what they owe, but MBC says it's too much. Perhaps owe isn't the correct word. However then you change the subject to history and go on about how some company did a bunch of work without first signing a contract with that owner of the original intellectual property. Sounds pretty foolish to me. Maybe it's not, but to then be omg you're so evil when the owner of that property finally wants it back is nothing but misinformed. Hanbitsoft, the publisher of SC in Korea, was a major part of getting Starcraft leagues up and running. It was kinda assumed from that point on that it was okay. The world is never as black and white as you paint it out to be I'm certainly not attempting to paint the world strictly as black/white and also never did i anywhere assume i knew everything. Furthermore, I did only work with what I know (how could anyone expect otherwise) and I used words like "sounds" to attempt to illustrate this. If i came off as too definitive, my apologies. Furthermore are you just arguing that this is also partly Hanbitsofts fault? Well aren't they on the korean side? doesn't this just further state that a lack of communication took place? I'm simply stating that a communication problem when addressing the legality of something should never be the fault of the company trying to protect their product... The problem here is that korean companies have no leverage because blizzard prolly doesn't give a shit. For them it's prolly best if BW died and everyone played their new cute game. However ME and all of YOU want BW to live on, so we can sit and watch. This said, How is it ever the fault of the creator when the user's fail to communicate and organize properly? Though certainly inaccurate, It's almost like Kespa/korea has been driving around with it's seatbelt for years, and when the police finally give them a ticket, they're like... but... so many years..... I didn't say it was anyone's fault. My point was that Hanbitsoft had the "rights" to Starcraft by getting rights to publish it in Korea. Secondly, Blizzard completely knew about the leagues for the longest time and did not intervene until 2007. You're not repeating anything new. If you truly think Korean companies have no leverage then you're truly at the wrong site. Secondly, it honestly sounds like you're just spewing words without fully understanding the entire situation -- I recommend digging through the old KeSPA - Blizzard threads to find out more about the argument before you continue because to put it bluntly you have no idea what the hell is going on. LOL I never said i was repeating anything new, (EDIT: How do you repeat something that is new anyway?) and i'm well informed of the situation, but quite franky I identifiy with assumptions not being binding and USA IP laws being laws far more than I sympathize with competitive video games as a medium for entertainment... (quick start typing up your response to this simplification before you give me a chance) LOL Why are you posting to disput personal commentary in a thread. I was simply trying to make a point that the pennies blizzard can gain from this aren't very great. I don't truly believe the korean companies have zero leverage. I do however see the majority of the posts in this thread say they have more than they do. Blizzard hardly cares, they're worried about their new game, and that's the point I was intending to make. I suppose your taking this too seriously for me, because to me this is just standard US proceedure. Company oversteps it's bound, feels entitlted, gets slapped, life goes on. You're gonna accuse me of over-genralizing by painting everything in absolutes, and then in the next post question my understanding... how about lay off the personal attacks.... If saying something new was required, this whole thread should have been closed with just the OP. Furthermore, The history is largely irrelevant. (to my posts) Blizzard is being generous because the korean companies DO have leverage. I'm sorry if you feel i need to document the differences in personal opinion and actual reality in all of my posts, but I would ask you to do the same. But then we're stuck in the situation of never actually discussing anything because any discordance on reality would quickly result in the revelation that no one knows anything. Not trying to get all philosophical, but seriously "your not repeating anything new" could be said to almost every single post in this thread... Like your own, Why are you replying? Can either of us vouch for these companies? Do you think blizzard doesn't have a team of lawyers +more calculating their every move INCLUDING all of this?! Seriously. Blizzard didn't act until it was relevant because it wasn't relevant. If blizzard pursued every breach of ToS everytime it happened, they'd prolly lose an even greater % of their profit margin... With your ending remarks of that last post, and having read just about everything on TL i can on the subject. I suppose since this is just so fucking simple why didn't we just call em up and solve it for them? Or how about this, everything we say is bindning and all discussion has to go through our lawyers. Or how about I go in to a thread, read a 1000% msgs about how some company made a product and that product was used illegally for years, and they seemed aliright wirth it, and then one day they weren't. and so that company is evil, and I disagree with that analysis of the situation. Should I insult your understanding for that? EDIT: I suppose I'll mention that I think blizzard is largely irrelevant to this, and furthermore, Kespa or whoever thought they had the rights was being absolutely irresponsible to think that VIVIDENDI would just wave their hand and say NPNPNP... I'd expect nothing less from vividendi than what's happening now. I'm sure their shareholders feel the same. (ya ya acti-blizz is it's own stock, ya ya) Blizzard was 100% fine with what was going on in the scene until 2007. That's 7 years of Blizzard being okay with what was going on in the Korea. What's your point? To Blizzard, it's honestly not about profit, it's more about their intellectual property which they felt was abused by what happened in 2007. "History is not relevant"?, it's 100% about history and which is 100% reason why KeSPA and Blizzard are on such bad terms at this point. I haven't made a personal attack. If you think me calling you uninformed is an attack then I honestly have nothing more to say since it honestly looks like I won't be able to knock you off of your high horse because you seem to at least pretend to know what's going on. I have never implied that the situation was simple in any sort of way. I have implied that it's a lot more complicated than what you are saying, that is simply it. Either case, you seem to have overreacted quite a bit, and honestly I have zero intention of going further in this discussion until you're actually willing to listen and not just spew more stuff. But seriously, I don't think anyone will be taking you remotely seriously after your last few posts. I have trouble not laughing histerically at your post I already have nevermind. You constantly make pokes at me and then say it's because of my high horse tactics. Let's go back to why i made my original post, I'll hold your hand through this the whole way, because as it seems, we don't even really disagree about much. I came to this thread, read the lastest, browsed through the posts in this thread. some of these posts were very anti-blizzard. I personally believe that Blizzard is in the right. This might be the only place we disagree. I then vented my frustration stating that IP Laws > Assumptions in many more, less elegant terms. As well as some personal commentary, because, I am not a robot. You then reply, stating my ignornace, while at the same time having a large ignornace about my knowledge-base. How is this a founded contribution to this thread? Let alone not a personal attack? I guess my horse is too tall for you? (even though it's really just a pony) however, The wind must have caught your words, because you did mention something I overlooked, and I acknowledged it in my later post. Anyway, I don't really wanna go stepby step and hold your hand. However, if you actually have an argument that disagrees with something I said, rather than making a tiny point, and then agreeing with me while calling me ignorant. Kespa has no innate right to exist. Blizzard has no innate right to exist. Laws decreed from the people give corporations the right to exist. Further laws give said corporations the right to claim their creations theirs. Further laws give said corporations the rights to claim terms of use over their products in many regards. Do you disagree with any of this? If you do, well then, ofc your on the side of kespa, of course you want to watch more SC:BW. I however, want the law to be upheld, and assumption to be non-binding. Contracts > Assumptions. Kespa/hanbit/insert relative korean company all dropped the ball... OMG 7 years blizzard knew? really? Are their rights suspended? This is total nonsense and has nothing to do with the situation in my opinion. I don't care if it was 700 years, if blizzard comes back from the moon and says mine. YOU GIVE THEM THEIRS. Sorry if you can't take me seriously, but i'd think you were not reading and trolling, but due to the icon, i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and just assuming (yes non-binding) that your misunderstanding me, because we agree on the terms of reality, just not the morals (Assumption: You think kespa breaking the law is legal). EDIT: Or yea, just post to make a bunch of assumptions and then instead of actually pressing everything out and generating something worthy of discussion, you can just assume i'm not listening and do the same. If your too frail to proceed with a standard101 internet discussion, you prolly shouldn't have made your first post. Furthermore, if you think i'm overreacting, well i'm sorry, but i actually read words for what they means, and while I thank you for mentioning something i prolly should have mentioned, you prolly shouldn't pair it with assumptions on my worldview (or even what you think i meant) if your not even open to conversation. Are you really trying to prove your point with personal attacks on the translator? I hardly see any arguments within your post. It's quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about. If Blizzard came back 700 years later, they would have no more claim to their product by law. I hardly think you're qualified to argue on this topic if you didn't even know that. The IP dispute hasn't gone through court yet, so you can't really say it's against the law. Just that KeSPA stands to lose more in court than Blizzard so they would prefer to avoid that option.
rofl, I'm not trying to prove anything... I hardly have any arguments. I was more looking for some explanation from him. It's quite clear that noone here has any idea. and of course, it's called hyperbole. And yes, furthermore, i'd say it's all off topic. I suppose I was more offended by his means than his ends, making broad statements about how black/white I view it when I simply state a minor opinion on what i THINK. I suppose I was a bit long winded, but his statements implied he had something to say but he wasn't saying it, and I'm not one to leave things unsaid.
EDIT: Like things like "I hardly think you're qualified to argue on this topic if you didn't even know that" really seem to illicit a response out of me, because why would you say that? firstly, who deems the rights of discussion across this medium, ect ect ect, How do we determine if i'm arguing or discussing, ect ect It's just a really unfounded statement and people shouldn't talk like that, myself included. This is a forum for people that have little to nothing to do with that actual situation.
EDIT2: And After further retrospect I suppose I overreacted because his statements applied to almost every single post in this thread, but felt he singled me out because I was a bit exaggerated and definitely against the stream in this thread.
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On August 11 2010 00:44 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:40 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:35 Diminotoor wrote:
*You go to the store to buy a pie. Mmmm pie.*
*The pie you want should cost .... around $8.95, right?*
*Upon arriving in the frozen aisle, you are astonished to see your pie will cost you $130.00*
<You> Well, screw that I'll just make it myself from scratch.
*Upon tallying up all the costs for pie ingredients, its still going to cost you $110.00*
*You now must make a decision to either be down WAY more money than you logically should be, or go pie-less.*
<Friend> Man, well I just bought a pie but damn was it expensive. You gonna get one?
*Not being able to function/live without pie, you try to negotiate with the store, but the store is run by dick-heads with barely any intelligence.*
*Your family at home reminds you that you will need more pies in the upcoming months as well.*
I don't care who the "proverbial pie" "belongs" to. This sucks for the BW community. I don't know what kind of stores you have in South Korea, but stores where I live never negotiate. So I should call them dickheads? Bartering is quite common in non Canadian/American food markets.
I've never heard of this so... not in Sweden at least
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bartering and translator hating .. internet at its finest .. fuck gretech and blizzard ..
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*sigh* blizzard...i thought that a move away from KeSPA would be good. DAMN YOU BOB KOTICK!
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On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway
Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible
Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users
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On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users
LOL Geez, All i did was post my own bias opinion -like everyone else-. It's somehow my fault because I'm interested in getting fairly particular about the points in his response? Sorry, I suppose we can just leave this thread to another one of those threads where everyone posts and few read anything posted.
But then I guess I need to stop because it's such a horrible habit of mine?... LOL So selective.
EDIT: reworded slighly,
EDIT2: my response isn't just @you but also aimaimaim... I'm a bit longworded, my apologies, but, I was being quite genuine under all the attitude, and I'm sorry I strayed from the bandwagan posts of "Thanks for this" and "Down With Blizzard" Though for the first, I am certainly thankful for the services he provides. I hope noone thinks otherwise 
EDIT3: Does that mean your 100% attack post is cool cause neither were starred? Lol sorry can't help myself, not serious :D
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On August 11 2010 03:52 Rinrun wrote:
Gogogo, Hyungjoon becomes a pronegotiator!
He will "U R Man" his way into deals.
then finish it with a Love ya dance.
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Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims.
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Fucking blizzard, there isn't that much money in BW, stop being greedy. It's not like there's entrance fees, merchandise sales etc, it's purely advertising and that's what the progamers get paid on. Some shitty internet tv company having a monopoly is so bad for esports.
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On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims.
People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard.
Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit.
Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily.
Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL.
Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it".
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On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it".
The best way to make your point on a SC/SC2 site is to call people who like SC2 morons who are deluded by hype.
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