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palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
August 12 2010 23:07 GMT
#181
This AyJay guy is really funny: He says SC2 is better, but He doesnt give any real reason by comparing between the games themselves, now he says Blizz is interested in the development of e-sports around the world, again without giving us any reasonable income about it, and then the epic final, the people who disagree with him have to give him a valid point for his brain in order to change his mind. Well like other poster I am out, AyJay thinks whatever you want, if you think the earth is flat then let it be, the only conclusion that I have since i read your posts is that you dont have a single clue about RTS world and how to develop a market.
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 13 2010 09:32 GMT
#182
On August 13 2010 08:07 palexhur wrote:
This AyJay guy is really funny: He says SC2 is better, but He doesnt give any real reason by comparing between the games themselves, now he says Blizz is interested in the development of e-sports around the world, again without giving us any reasonable income about it, and then the epic final, the people who disagree with him have to give him a valid point for his brain in order to change his mind. Well like other poster I am out, AyJay thinks whatever you want, if you think the earth is flat then let it be, the only conclusion that I have since i read your posts is that you dont have a single clue about RTS world and how to develop a market.


I enjoy watching Brood war(only with english commentary though, I check out moletrap channel quite often), but I enjoy watching Sc2 videos more. I never said sc2 is better than Bw I said I prefer Sc2 over BW, because I find it more entertaining to watch. I said Blizzard is interested in development of e-sports because that means money for them.

I post my own opinion what I think is going on. And I doubt anyone in this thread actually knows what blizzards goal with Sc2, Bw and e-sports is.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
August 13 2010 09:39 GMT
#183
On August 13 2010 18:32 AyJay wrote:I doubt anyone in this thread actually knows what blizzards goal with Sc2, Bw and e-sports is.


No, but we have some really good educated guesses.

SC2: Make money
BW: Inherit market by any means necessary to make money.
ESports: Saw the korean BW scene as a chance to make more money with their new toy.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 13 2010 09:49 GMT
#184
On August 13 2010 18:39 Diminotoor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 18:32 AyJay wrote:I doubt anyone in this thread actually knows what blizzards goal with Sc2, Bw and e-sports is.


No, but we have some really good educated guesses.

SC2: Make money
BW: Inherit market by any means necessary to make money.
ESports: Saw the korean BW scene as a chance to make more money with their new toy.


Guesses are just guesses.
DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
August 13 2010 09:54 GMT
#185
This is total bullshit. Blizzard is asking for shitton of money, but at the same time diverting the bad press to gretech. They are looking more like activision than blizzard with the shit they are pulling now.
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 10:01:24
August 13 2010 10:01 GMT
#186
On August 13 2010 18:54 DragonDefonce wrote:
This is total bullshit. Blizzard is asking for shitton of money, but at the same time diverting the bad press to gretech. They are looking more like activision than blizzard with the shit they are pulling now.

Nobody knows how much money Gretech asks.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5860 Posts
August 13 2010 11:57 GMT
#187
On August 13 2010 19:01 AyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 18:54 DragonDefonce wrote:
This is total bullshit. Blizzard is asking for shitton of money, but at the same time diverting the bad press to gretech. They are looking more like activision than blizzard with the shit they are pulling now.

Nobody knows how much money Gretech asks.


It's safe to assume it's a very unreasonable sum.

They wanted KeSPA (i.e. OGN/MBC and others) to sign a 1 year contract, while they signed a 3 year one with GOMTV no problem. They (Blizzard) also had other ridiculous demands.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 13 2010 12:28 GMT
#188
On August 13 2010 20:57 maybenexttime wrote:
[Blizzard] wanted KeSPA (i.e. OGN/MBC and others) to sign a 1 year contract, while they signed a 3 year one with GOMTV no problem. They (Blizzard) also had other ridiculous demands.

Yes - this point needs to be emphasized. The demands Blizzard made when negotiating with Kespa were relaxed when they negotiated with Gretech, so Blizzard intentionally offered poorer terms to the existing companies.

Activision Blizzard never came to either negotiate or "assert its IP rights" until SC2 was on the horizon. For a packaged goods maker trying to sell their next product, it is ideal for them for interest in the previous game to wane, as those who are still interested in the previous game might not buy the sequel.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
August 13 2010 13:15 GMT
#189
activision-blizzard lost all my respect long ago. they are trying to muscle out BW in the hopes that they pick up sc2.
fuck em.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 13 2010 13:27 GMT
#190
On August 13 2010 20:57 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 19:01 AyJay wrote:
On August 13 2010 18:54 DragonDefonce wrote:
This is total bullshit. Blizzard is asking for shitton of money, but at the same time diverting the bad press to gretech. They are looking more like activision than blizzard with the shit they are pulling now.

Nobody knows how much money Gretech asks.


It's safe to assume it's a very unreasonable sum.

They wanted KeSPA (i.e. OGN/MBC and others) to sign a 1 year contract, while they signed a 3 year one with GOMTV no problem. They (Blizzard) also had other ridiculous demands.

The only source we have for this information is Kespa and Blizzard. I trust neither one of them to tell the truth.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
August 13 2010 13:34 GMT
#191
On August 13 2010 22:27 Badjas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 20:57 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 13 2010 19:01 AyJay wrote:
On August 13 2010 18:54 DragonDefonce wrote:
This is total bullshit. Blizzard is asking for shitton of money, but at the same time diverting the bad press to gretech. They are looking more like activision than blizzard with the shit they are pulling now.

Nobody knows how much money Gretech asks.


It's safe to assume it's a very unreasonable sum.

They wanted KeSPA (i.e. OGN/MBC and others) to sign a 1 year contract, while they signed a 3 year one with GOMTV no problem. They (Blizzard) also had other ridiculous demands.

The only source we have for this information is Kespa and Blizzard. I trust neither one of them to tell the truth.


The basic outline yes. The details, no.

Still, I wonder what deal OGN made with Gretech/Activision. Please let it not be a deal with the devil.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 13 2010 18:41 GMT
#192
AyJay, I do not plan on getting into a discussion about whether or not BW or SC2 is better however I will say that I know that Blizzard or Activision or someone with a lot of power over there doesn't care about developing e-Sports in Korea or the rest of the world because of one feature. StarCraft 2 does not have LAN support. If they really cared about growing e-Sports in the world LAN would be supported from launch because honestly it's going to be really difficult to hold tournaments and such without LAN support. Does anyone know how they're even doing it for the first few tournaments? Is it all going to be over Battle.Net and they're all hoping that Blizzard doesn't try to patch or that B.Net doesn't just go down all of a sudden? Or did they release a special LAN version for tournaments?

Either way, not giving every single purchaser access to LAN support with SC2 is all the proof anyone should need that someone at Activision/Blizzard doesn't care about growing e-Sports throughout the world.

Now, what about growing e-Sports in South Korea? If Blizzard really and truly wanted the Brood War scene to continue growing and picking up fans what would they do? The most logical thing for them to do if they really wanted to grow the e-Sports scene in South Korea would simply be to do nothing at all. It's already been grown by MBC, OGN, and KeSPA. These three have done a fantastic job and honestly have helped make Blizzard a very rich company with Blizzard not having to do a single thing, they've just been benefiting from the hard work of a few South Korean companies. Now, if Blizzard didn't care about growing e-Sports in South Korea and simply cared about profits what would they do? Exactly what they're doing now. Honestly, I think that whatever executive at Activision/Blizzard that's making these decisions would be happy if MBC went down and could no longer do the MSL. It means less competition for Gretech and more money for Blizzard/Activision.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 13 2010 19:29 GMT
#193
On August 14 2010 03:41 overt wrote:
Or did they release a special LAN version for tournaments?

Yes.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 13 2010 19:57 GMT
#194
Boycott SC2 until BW leagues are safe from Blizzard.
My strategy is to fork people.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
August 13 2010 19:59 GMT
#195
On August 13 2010 18:49 AyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 18:39 Diminotoor wrote:
On August 13 2010 18:32 AyJay wrote:I doubt anyone in this thread actually knows what blizzards goal with Sc2, Bw and e-sports is.


No, but we have some really good educated guesses.

SC2: Make money
BW: Inherit market by any means necessary to make money.
ESports: Saw the korean BW scene as a chance to make more money with their new toy.


Guesses are just guesses.


Just as your opinions are guesses (presumably also based on other information).
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
August 13 2010 20:00 GMT
#196
On August 14 2010 04:29 Badjas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 03:41 overt wrote:
Or did they release a special LAN version for tournaments?

Yes.

They did? or they "will"?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 13 2010 20:24 GMT
#197
On August 14 2010 05:00 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:29 Badjas wrote:
On August 14 2010 03:41 overt wrote:
Or did they release a special LAN version for tournaments?

Yes.

They did? or they "will"?


Either way, they should give everyone access to that rather than people who they deem worthy of LAN ready copies. But I guess asking a developer to do what every other developer besides them does is just too much to ask these days...
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 14 2010 00:22 GMT
#198
On August 14 2010 05:00 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:29 Badjas wrote:
On August 14 2010 03:41 overt wrote:
Or did they release a special LAN version for tournaments?

Yes.

They did? or they "will"?


they did .. but its still sort of online .. cant really know .. there is an authentication that wants you to give your serial(?) and there also have to be a BLIZZARD representative/technician ..

Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Claytor656
Profile Joined April 2010
United States15 Posts
August 14 2010 01:06 GMT
#199
On August 13 2010 18:49 AyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 18:39 Diminotoor wrote:
On August 13 2010 18:32 AyJay wrote:I doubt anyone in this thread actually knows what blizzards goal with Sc2, Bw and e-sports is.


No, but we have some really good educated guesses.

SC2: Make money
BW: Inherit market by any means necessary to make money.
ESports: Saw the korean BW scene as a chance to make more money with their new toy.


Guesses are just guesses.


I would like to point out that Kotick has stated numerous times his feelings on gaming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick

I'm not going to pull quotes from something you should read if you think Blizzard is not trying to do anything but increase the company's worth at all times. It's not their fault, gaming became a very large and profitable industry. I also do not feel that 100% of the drive is money either, I just feel the people who care about story, gameplay, and art are in the minority at that company. I do not feel this was the case at all times, I see a changing trend.

It's the same way across all the industry. EA and the Infinity Ward fiasco was a good show of what to expect and E3 and it's continual decline ( I may not be accurate on this, I just do not know anyone who cares about it anymore myself) is another fine indicator of a growing sequel driven, Hollywood blockbuster style marketing of gaming.



Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
August 14 2010 02:01 GMT
#200
/sigh
I just can't believe all these blizzard fanboys that are still so optimistic with blizzard after all the shit they pulled.

Also, I want my goddamn MSL(and other leagues of course)
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
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