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On August 12 2010 10:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
I honestly preferred the GSLs (if you wanted to call them that, which a lot of people did, despite not actually being starleagues) over the MSL and OSLs due to the English commentary.
pfftff. BW without korean screamings? blasphemy.. But yea a lots of the new people who just found out about sc in '08 enjoyed the english commentary.
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On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Blizzard saw Kespa taking the ball. Blizzard tried to negotiate with Kespa, but after three years, Kespa still think nothing will change if nothing is agreed upon.
Well too late for Kespa, the ball was handed to someone else after three years of haggling.
Even though Blizzard was being nice and tried to work with Kespa, Kespa started to get even more mean near the end when blizz tried to host tournaments but Kespa pulled the ball away once again.
I still don't understand why Kespa is being so greedy with the e-sports scene. It could've been more big with them (thats when all the foreign folks started to recognize the korean SC scene), and they would get more money in the long run, but they were just too afraid they would lose the ball forever I guess.
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
You're quite deluded aren'tcha?
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hi there,
I have been following the whole drama regarding the control over E-Sports since GOM was "forced" to end its broadcasts. Personally i´d rather side with Gretech´s open policy (assuming they tell the truth) but in the end, subjective views wont change anything.
the following question might be somewhat off topic but as of now i am too curious no to ask.
i am an economics major and have focused on corporate finance, IP and corporate control structures. therefor i´d like to assess the situation from a corporate point of view. the problem i face right now is that i find myself unable to compile the data necessary to model the situation. as far as i get it, the situation is quiet complex.
I read most of the threads regarding this issue but i usually feel that there is too much rage going on to tell wether given information is objective. no offense meant.
Is there someone around who is able to describe the complete corporate structures in terms of control rights between the partys (Gretech, Gom, MBC Game, Kespa, OGN, etc)? same goes for the respective subordinated / supoerordinate firms. moreover id love to have a clear definition of what is refered to when ppl talk of "the players" or "the teams"
again it doesnt matter to me wether the corporate entitis are profit maximizers or the supposedly "bad" or "good" guys. So for answering my question, keep it to data and numbers 
ty in advance and again, sry 4 the offtopic question
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On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
That pesky Kespa, blocking foreign BW during all these years.
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On August 12 2010 14:42 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
That pesky Kespa, blocking foreign BW during all these years.
Damn Kespa. Atleast Blizzard is starting ESPORTS anew with SC2 by throwing a bunch of money at it, which will solve the lack of interest people have in ESPORTS in the foreign scene, as demonstrated by CGS.
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What the hell does KeSPA have to do with the foreign scene? do you even know what those letters stand for? Blizzard can do whatever the fuck they want to for the "foreign" scene, just like they did for the past decade... oh wait.
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On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about
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It's amusing how those newcomers somehow reach a conclusion that kespa was scheming all along to prevent esports from developing in the west
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On August 12 2010 15:47 regerstreen wrote:
It's amusing how those newcomers somehow reach a conclusion that kespa was scheming all along to prevent esports from developing in the west
Starcraft2 has a KISS of cherry.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2010 15:47 regerstreen wrote:
It's amusing how those newcomers somehow reach a conclusion that kespa was scheming all along to prevent esports from developing in the west The thing is called sarcasm...
I could live with OSL and Gom-Classic beeing the new 2 hot leagues of Starcraft-Broodwar.
I could not live with only OSL or only Gom-Classic surviving.
But im not sure if GOM goes the right way, ofc, they now have blizzard behind them and are the superpower of korean broodwar, but what if blizzard one day decides to stop all broodwar? What should GOM do then? And i think this might be very possible with plans already existing...
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Hi TLers, Comet from wfbrood.com(China).
I have translated this news into Chinese and posted on wfbrood.com. Now I bring the feedback from China back to here.
It's no surprise to find that almost all the Chinese fans who have read this news have showed their angry to BLZ or GomTV, fans just want to watch the game and don't care aboout anything like licensing fee or whatever. They want BLZ and GomTV know that "Running your sc2 and plz let BW alone, we love this game!"
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On August 12 2010 16:43 Comet702 wrote:
Hi TLers, Comet from wfbrood.com(China).
I have translated this news into Chinese and posted on wfbrood.com. Now I bring the feedback from China back to here.
It's no surprise to find that almost all the Chinese fans who have read this news have showed their angry to BLZ or GomTV, fans just want to watch the game and don't care aboout anything like licensing fee or whatever. They want BLZ and GomTV know that "Running your sc2 and plz let BW alone, we love this game!"
That's pretty much exactly what should be expected, since they don't get English commentary anyway. That's the only thing GOM has that made it likeable.
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people forgot why BW is great in korea .. have you forgotten how good they are with the game?
and all of you who are talking about BW being played outside korea .. yeah we have that .. its called WORLD CYBER GAMES .. but even in that division, we can't take korea .. they are true GOSU with it .. SC2 wouldn't have been THIS "BIG" if it wasn't for what the Korean Scene did to the Great RTS that is SC:BW (it's PREQUEL) ..
people who likes SC2 more than BW only cares about themselves. They love SC2 because they might have a chance at becoming big progamers, but even now they are being owned by korean players in B.Net2.
also, when there is ANOTHER SHINY NEW TOY in stores near the, I bet that they are gonna forget SC2 (if SC2 COULD EVEN TOP SC:BW Scene the way BW scene is now) .. seeing how some of the people here have arguements about "they like a game with better graphics, new things to discover, etc.,".. BW grew without having the best graphics .. BW grew because of the people who invested time, sweat, and tears to make this scene what it is now .. I just cant see how your SC2 INTERNATIONAL SCENE is going to grow ..
all of your dreams about televised SC2, International League and International Proscene are pretty far fetched .. simple as that ..
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On August 12 2010 15:34 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about
He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA?
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On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 15:34 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA?
no .. heres an example .. that game called W.O.W. and WC3 ..
WoW boasting 10 million users World wide .. not a single proscene that can be compared to BW ..
WC3 .. shiny .. had the potential .. was dominated by chinese and koreans and a stong french dude .. poorly developed and patched .. mediocre proscene .. CS has a bigger proscene outside Korea than this .. dominated by 1 race in-game ..
also .. culture differences, mentality towards e-games, and the lack of hard core fan base, AND ABOVE ALL .. Talent
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On August 12 2010 18:36 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote:On August 12 2010 15:34 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA? no .. heres an example .. that game called W.O.W. and WC3 .. WoW boasting 10 million users World wide .. not a single proscene that can be compared to BW .. WC3 .. shiny .. had the potential .. was dominated by chinese and koreans and a stong french dude .. poorly developed and patched .. mediocre proscene .. CS has a bigger proscene outside Korea than this .. dominated by 1 race in-game .. also .. culture differences, mentality towards e-games, and the lack of hard core fan base, AND ABOVE ALL .. Talent
Well this is Starcraft, not any of those games. Starcraft was made with race balance in mind. Blizzard's efforts towards putting those two other games in a limelight as a competitive sport isn't as great as Starcraft's, or they wouldn't go this far.
WoW is a terribly imbalanced game, virtually no skill required aside from very few certain combination of class/specs, and the competitive scene and overall skill requirement is a huge joke.
I have no strong opinion of WC3, but from what I've seen it's just the same way Terrans have dominated BW pro scene in its early years. One incredibly talented player decided to play his favorite race, and because he's probably more skilled than anyone else, it has made the illusion that it's imbalanced towards his race.
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On August 12 2010 18:44 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:36 aimaimaim wrote:On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote:On August 12 2010 15:34 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA? no .. heres an example .. that game called W.O.W. and WC3 .. WoW boasting 10 million users World wide .. not a single proscene that can be compared to BW .. WC3 .. shiny .. had the potential .. was dominated by chinese and koreans and a stong french dude .. poorly developed and patched .. mediocre proscene .. CS has a bigger proscene outside Korea than this .. dominated by 1 race in-game .. also .. culture differences, mentality towards e-games, and the lack of hard core fan base, AND ABOVE ALL .. Talent Well this is Starcraft, not any of those games. Starcraft was made with race balance in mind. Blizzard's efforts towards putting those two other games in a limelight as a competitive sport isn't as great as Starcraft's, or they wouldn't go this far. WoW is a terribly imbalanced game, virtually no skill required aside from very few certain combination of class/specs, and the competitive scene and overall skill requirement is a huge joke. I have no strong opinion of WC3, but from what I've seen it's just the same way Terrans have dominated BW pro scene in its early years. One incredibly talented player decided to play his favorite race, and because he's probably more skilled than anyone else, it has made the illusion that it's imbalanced towards his race.
Blizzard never gave a shit about SC:BW until 2007 .. wtf are you talking about "blizzard's efforts"?
regardless of balance .. look at DotA .. might be the most FAMOUS game ever .. more famous than SC, CS, WC3, WoW, Halo, can ever be with 2 games coming from it (HoN and LoL) .. with all of the countries having at least 1 compentent representative for it. balance maybe an issue .. but this is esport, RTS scene is just a part of it .. and your argument was blizzard handling international esport .. its highly improbable. with all the limitations in its new connectivity called B.net2, with its handling towards the people who gave them the fame they have now. i just can't see it.
and regarding WC3 .. it wasn't about race really .. its about blizzard not patching/fixing the game so that it can be a great spectator sport .. from early 2009 (i think) one race have ruled the game .. sure, having an strong "imba" race is acceptable but not fixing it for so long .. makes you wonder what are the priorities of blizzard.
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On August 12 2010 18:30 newvsoldschool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 15:34 Mindcrime wrote:On August 12 2010 10:15 Lokian wrote:
Well, its finally happened. The ball has been pryed away from Kespa's grasp, and the scene won't be limited to Korea. That sux doesn't it.
wtf are you talking about He did come off as rude, but do you honestly not see that Blizzard can (and is trying to) globalize e-sports, unlike KeSPA?
Koreane-Sports Players Association wasn't trying to expand outside of Korea, no. It just sort of "happened" because of the popularity of the concept they were developing/broadcasting.
There's no "effort" by Blizzard "for the good of e-sports". If you believe the contrary, you're delusional. The "Everyone can do it" concept is only good if you're designing small childrens' games/activities, designing help programs for the mentally challenged, or if you just want to make your product the most appealing thing ever to the average idiotic consumer. The point of competition is to produce an elitist subculture that strives to be "the best". "Successful Esports" and "For Everyone" simply don't go together. You need to understand basic differences and concepts like these before trying to glorify a side.
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On August 12 2010 18:18 aimaimaim wrote:
and all of you who are talking about BW being played outside korea .. yeah we have that .. its called WORLD CYBER GAMES ...
and Blizzcon. So what? 2 tournaments in 1 year is not enough to keep foreign BW scene alive.
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On August 12 2010 20:32 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 18:18 aimaimaim wrote:
and all of you who are talking about BW being played outside korea .. yeah we have that .. its called WORLD CYBER GAMES ... and Blizzcon. So what? 2 tournaments in 1 year is not enough to keep foreign BW scene alive.
what? its actually great that it (foreign scene) lasted so long with more than 90% of it cant even compete with koreans .. also .. its about people who showcases games for entertainment .. the foreign scene was full of players with no innovation, thats why foreigners cant keep any RTS scene alive outside korea/asia. i dont want to see people doing shitty plays ..
its all good that SC2 gets what its getting now .. blizzard just need to KEEP AWAY FROM BW .. but they cant .. they want money .. thats why they are trying to kill it ..
and right now, just like in SC2, top foreigners can't even beat top koreans .. and these koreans aren't even really organized yet ..
p.s. people who side SC2 doesnt get what BW fans like .. WE WANT BLIZZ TO KEEP OUT OF BW AS WE DONT WANT TO DO ANYTHING OF THEIR SC2 .. but NOOOO .. they want to kill BW, so that they can have money .. this is the reason why flame sc2 fans for not getting the point .. its like WC3, WoW, CS, DotA .. most of us dont care about your scene .. leave our scene alone ..
also .. id like to add ESWC,TSL, Dream Hack .. and you say so what? tell me, how many international tournaments does other games have?
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