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On August 11 2010 17:13 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it". The best way to make your point on a SC/SC2 site is to call people who like SC2 morons who are deluded by hype.
For the most part he brings up a good point, and nowhere in his post did he call TLers 'morons'. SC2 was hyped to hell and back btw (in case you missed it), and while its a good game (excluding the bnet 2.0 fiasco) its still trading on its predecessor's name. Time will tell if it will actually develop enough and be able to stand on its own as an esport.
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On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims.
People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it". Maybe you're scapegoating WoW and Blizzard too much?
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On August 11 2010 17:13 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it". The best way to make your point on a SC/SC2 site is to call people who like SC2 morons who are deluded by hype.
Well I didn't call anyone a moron, but is it taboo to insinuate that often times people just gobble up what is put in front of them without really analyzing it? On a side note isn't donnie wahlberg dreamy?
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On August 11 2010 17:25 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 17:13 Catch]22 wrote:On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it". The best way to make your point on a SC/SC2 site is to call people who like SC2 morons who are deluded by hype. For the most part he brings up a good point, and nowhere in his post did he call TLers 'morons'. SC2 was hyped to hell and back btw (in case you missed it), and while its a good game (excluding the bnet 2.0 fiasco) its still trading on its predecessor's name. Time will tell if it will actually develop enough and be able to stand on its own as an esport.
No, he didn't use the word 'morons' explicitly. But the post does imply that anyone who likes SC2/is excited about its potential future is delusional and just mindlessly eating up hype, so that they can't see the obvious, inarguable truth of his position, which is baseless and insulting to anyone who's not an SC2 hater.
He doesn't make a good point at all. Questionable decision-making on a hyped game doesn't necessarily mean that they don't care and the hype is a propaganda campaign to brainwash people into thinking they do care. That's ridiculous. You have to remember that Blizzard is not a monolithic entity. The devs, or some of the devs, might have argued for things that TL would have liked better, only to be shot down; or in some cases the execs might have asked about something, and been talked out of it. Or whatever. But *regardless of what happens*, the PR department's job is to hype the hell out of it and sell it. They aren't involved in any of those other decisions, and it's not like Browder would have gone to the marketing guys and said, "Hey, we've decided we don't care about competitive gaming anymore, we're just going to throw darts to make decisions about mechanics and B.net2 and spend the extra manhours jacking off, can you whip up some things to convince the sheeple that we do still care?" What do you think is more likely, that, or that they honestly do care and want to make the best competitive game they can, and just had poor decision-making for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with caring or intent?
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On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users
Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything.
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On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything.
They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing.
On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it".
Read this thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
and it'll tell you what blizzard became after activision merged with them. Wow was a quality game when it came out and they didn't expect it to receive world wide success like it has now, but as you will read in the article, you'll see that after the merge, blizzard has started to exploit wow more to make money.
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On August 11 2010 18:10 Avrithor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 17:25 moopie wrote:On August 11 2010 17:13 Catch]22 wrote:On August 11 2010 16:50 robertdinh wrote:On August 11 2010 15:38 MuffinDude wrote:
Yo guys, its not blizzard thats trying to take control of the pro BW scene, its Activision blizzard. Fuck bobby kotick.
But yea, activison blizzard is ridiculous in their claims. People scapegoat activision way too much when it comes to blizzard actions. Mind you activision is just as greedy and ridiculous as blizzard, but they did not corrupt blizzard. Blizzard was just as moneygrubbing as activision before they merged, it all began with the development of world of warcraft. The philosophy behind blizzard shifted and there was a mass exodus of original blizz developers (a lot of which tried to start up their own game studios to varying degrees of success) because they felt the company's mentality had changed too much and it had become simply about profit profit profit. Blizzard can still make high "quality" games because of the sheer funding and size of their development teams, but they don't truly care about things like competitive gaming, they only paint the illusion of caring at times because they have deemed it profitable to appear that way and people gobble it up so easily. Look at how easily people have gobbled up the SC2 hype and things like the GSL. Starcraft2 might as well be named New Kids on the Block and have a slogan of "all the cool kids are doing it". The best way to make your point on a SC/SC2 site is to call people who like SC2 morons who are deluded by hype. For the most part he brings up a good point, and nowhere in his post did he call TLers 'morons'. SC2 was hyped to hell and back btw (in case you missed it), and while its a good game (excluding the bnet 2.0 fiasco) its still trading on its predecessor's name. Time will tell if it will actually develop enough and be able to stand on its own as an esport. No, he didn't use the word 'morons' explicitly. But the post does imply that anyone who likes SC2/is excited about its potential future is delusional and just mindlessly eating up hype, so that they can't see the obvious, inarguable truth of his position, which is baseless and insulting to anyone who's not an SC2 hater. He doesn't make a good point at all. Questionable decision-making on a hyped game doesn't necessarily mean that they don't care and the hype is a propaganda campaign to brainwash people into thinking they do care. That's ridiculous. You have to remember that Blizzard is not a monolithic entity. The devs, or some of the devs, might have argued for things that TL would have liked better, only to be shot down; or in some cases the execs might have asked about something, and been talked out of it. Or whatever. But *regardless of what happens*, the PR department's job is to hype the hell out of it and sell it. They aren't involved in any of those other decisions, and it's not like Browder would have gone to the marketing guys and said, "Hey, we've decided we don't care about competitive gaming anymore, we're just going to throw darts to make decisions about mechanics and B.net2 and spend the extra manhours jacking off, can you whip up some things to convince the sheeple that we do still care?" What do you think is more likely, that, or that they honestly do care and want to make the best competitive game they can, and just had poor decision-making for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with caring or intent?
1. Has sc2 proven that it has the depth to make it a good esport?
2. Has it been hyped up with big money tournaments whether it has or has not?
3. Has blizzard made decisions to make it more difficult for the BW leagues to operate?
4. Is blizzard maneuvering towards having a strong grip on esports in korea?
5. Bnet2.0 sure proves just how much blizzard cares about the quality of the play experience. :rolls eyes:
Companies are accountable for their actions, just cause joe nonfactor who has no power in the company objects to some decision doesn't mean anything, the company is judged by the actions it actually takes, not the what-ifs.
Anyway my points aren't some sorta wild conspiracy theory, if you have followed blizzard as a company from warcraft1, up til wow development and up through now, you can see just how much they've shifted in mentality.
What they are doing to BW and how they executed WOW as an esport should make it pretty clear to you how much they actually care about esports.
I'll give you some good examples of what you can expect from wow esport tourney to show you how blizzard operates in regards to esports.
1. Whatever league is hosting it pays blizzard a licensing fee to have access to a specific set of tourney realm servers.
2. These servers can often ping poorly for the tourney depending where the lan is held relative to where the servers are housed.
3. There are major bugs in the tourney realm that have still not been addressed after years. (Sometimes the server for example will bug and force players to play on the same arena map over and over, which can skew tourney results drastically because some compositions have a strong advantage on certain maps over other compositions)
4. If the league running the tourney runs into bugs or other problems with the tourney realm you can expect it to take many many hours for them to find someone at blizzard that actually gives a crap about their problem, and when you are holding lan events that generally last over a 1 weekend period, having to wait many many hours to get some problem fixed (it may not even get fixed) isn't really good, especially when teams have flights to catch by certain times.
Now I am sure people will go "OMG that is WoW this is SC2" but WoW is blizzard's cash cow, it makes them 100-150million a MONTH. If they can't even put a respectable amount of effort into having wow tourneys run properly, and wow is their flagship game, what makes you think you are going to get some sorta high quality support from blizzard in sc2?
As for the poster who linked the activision-blizz thread... blizzard's goal with wow was never innovation or a quality game, it was cashing in on a proven formula and expanding it. They polished the rough edges of 1st generation mmorpgs and made wow, and promoted the crap outta it to pull in fans that weren't accustomed to mmorpgs beforehand, for example the battle.net community. They've been figuring out ways to make more and more money off of people in wow since it launched, and a lot of the ways they do this make the "quality" of the game quite awful.
For example: They can make money off of players paying for a transfer to a server they wish to transfer to, this is all well and good, but what ends up happening is some servers have people transfer off and they slowly die, because no one wants to play on a dead server, the players left either have to pay and transfer off themselves (this makes blizzard more money) or they can simply quit the game (this obviously doesn't make blizzard money, but the money they make from offering the microtransaction is more profitable than not offering it, whether it destroys servers and their communities or not)
Things like server transfers opened the door to other destructive microtransactions such as the faction change, where people can switch their character from horde to alliance or alliance to horde, this can also completely mess up server populations and create awful imbalances or kill servers completely on 1 faction. That does not matter to blizzard though, because it makes them good money.
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On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing.
As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene.
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On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene.
Frank Pearce has spoken.
Seriously though, if blizzard can't squeeze money out of OGN/MBC they wouldn't think twice about killing off BW, simply because it serves as direct competition to their new shiny toy. They're doing their best to milk korea as much as they can, regardless of who gets hurt in the process.
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On August 11 2010 19:58 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene. Frank Pearce has spoken. Seriously though, if blizzard can't squeeze money out of OGN/MBC they wouldn't think twice about killing off BW, simply because it serves as direct competition to their new shiny toy. They're doing their best to milk korea as much as they can, regardless of who gets hurt in the process.
Killing BW won't make SC2 popular, therefore no point of doing it
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Blizzard has kind of been at odds with KeSPA for a while anyway, haven't they? I mean, sure KeSPA has built a pretty big scene around Brood War, but they were also very obstinate towards Blizzard about when Blizzard argued for their rights as far as I know. As much as the hatas' gonna hate, good for Blizzard. You fuck with Blizzard IP, you get the short end of the stick; I'm seeing these recent developments as a result of KeSPA claiming rights over Brood War broadcasting and kicking GOMTV to the curb, when it isn't even their IP. Blizzard is saying, "fuck you," right back.
Correct me if I'm wrong in any of these allegations, but this is what I've come to gather regarding the battle over rights.
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On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene.
Because there's a progaming scene in every other game people are interested in, right? It doesn't quite work that way 
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I seriously just wish that SC2 buzz will evaporate and that there will be no pro gaming scene for it. I just feel that it docent deserve it, at least for now.
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On August 12 2010 00:20 MICHELLE wrote:
I seriously just wish that SC2 buzz will evaporate and that there will be no pro gaming scene for it. I just feel that it docent deserve it, at least for now.
Who thought Starcraft 1 would be as big as it is now when it came out?
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On August 11 2010 23:39 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene. Because there's a progaming scene in every other game people are interested in, right? It doesn't quite work that way
yeah what the fuck, none of the arguments you post ever make sense AyJay. You just furiously keep on acting as if blizzard was god, and sc2 was the physical manifestation of the best blowjob given
chill the hell out, just because its a good RTS doesnt mean it will or deserves to replace a game that has a ton more depth and a firm foundation RIGHT NOW. It might be ready at some point to do so, but sc2 as it is now is not a match for BW in terms of entertainment and depth. And dont fall back to the default 'OMG ONLY BEEN FEW DAYS SINCE RELEASE' crap. I'm talking about the present, already acknowledged that sc2 may be ready to replace BW in the future. Right now it isnt.
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On August 12 2010 01:21 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 23:39 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:02 konadora wrote:
damn you gretech blizzard
why couldn't you just leave the bw scene alone Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene. Because there's a progaming scene in every other game people are interested in, right? It doesn't quite work that way yeah what the fuck, none of the arguments you post ever make sense AyJay. You just furiously keep on acting as if blizzard was god, and sc2 was the physical manifestation of the best blowjob given chill the hell out, just because its a good RTS doesnt mean it will or deserves to replace a game that has a ton more depth and a firm foundation RIGHT NOW. It might be ready at some point to do so, but sc2 as it is now is not a match for BW in terms of entertainment and depth. And dont fall back to the default 'OMG ONLY BEEN FEW DAYS SINCE RELEASE' crap. I'm talking about the present, already acknowledged that sc2 may be ready to replace BW in the future. Right now it isnt.
I don't know why people is saying Brood war is better than Starcraft 2. To my eyes it's still same old starcraft with new and diffrent strategies. I think Starcraft2 has a lot of depth and is extremely entertaining (I will even point out that people like husky and hd have 165,000 subscribers - people who are waiting for them to pump out more starcraft2 videos and that is HUGE.)
I never said sc2 should replace BW. I think they can happily live together as long as there are people interested in watching both games.
I'm posting my opinion and my views no need to get mad over it.
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On August 12 2010 02:34 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 01:21 TheAntZ wrote:On August 11 2010 23:39 Milkis wrote:On August 11 2010 19:49 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 18:20 MuffinDude wrote:On August 11 2010 18:18 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:On August 11 2010 00:28 AyJay wrote:On August 11 2010 00:27 zenMaster wrote:On August 11 2010 00:24 AyJay wrote:
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Well, Kespa should have negotiated in the first place. Well, Kespa didn't feel like giving Blizzard control over everything they own. Well, Blizzard will control everything they own anyway Ahaha we have a blizzard fanboy, thats terrible Motiva can you please stop posting page long posts that are 10% argument and 90% attacks on starred users Fanboy or not, it's happening. Blizzard will control everything. They will control nothing as when they try to control the progaming scene, it'll die and they have nothing to control, as a result, they will control nothing. As long as people are interested in Sc/sc2 there will be progaming scene. Because there's a progaming scene in every other game people are interested in, right? It doesn't quite work that way yeah what the fuck, none of the arguments you post ever make sense AyJay. You just furiously keep on acting as if blizzard was god, and sc2 was the physical manifestation of the best blowjob given chill the hell out, just because its a good RTS doesnt mean it will or deserves to replace a game that has a ton more depth and a firm foundation RIGHT NOW. It might be ready at some point to do so, but sc2 as it is now is not a match for BW in terms of entertainment and depth. And dont fall back to the default 'OMG ONLY BEEN FEW DAYS SINCE RELEASE' crap. I'm talking about the present, already acknowledged that sc2 may be ready to replace BW in the future. Right now it isnt. I don't know why people is saying Brood war is better than Starcraft 2. To my eyes it's still same old starcraft with new and diffrent strategies. I think Starcraft2 has a lot of depth and is extremely entertaining (I will even point out that people like husky and hd have 165,000 subscribers - people who are waiting for them to pump out more starcraft2 videos and that is HUGE.) I never said sc2 should replace BW. I think they can happily live together as long as there are people interested in watching both games. I'm posting my opinion and my views no need to get mad over it.
People are saying that BW is better than SC2 because BW IS better than SC2. Maybe there isn't a scientific explanation on why this is, but this doesn't make it any less of a fact.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
I see no problem with Blizzard's position. "But they didn't care for 7 years" is such a bad argument.
It's like you took your neighbour's unique ball while he wasn't looking and used it to play a great spectacular game for 7 years, gathering a lot of fans and making money from broadcasts. Nobody cared that it wasn't your ball.
Then the neighbour comes and says "Hey, that's my ball! If you don't want me to take it away from you you have to pay me something!". And the fans are all over him booing and telling him what a fucked up greedy idiot he is, but they don't want to give up his ball because it's better that any ball ever made and no other ball will make the game so spectacular.
Well, bad luck. You should have asked him if it was OK to play with his ball (and make money off it) long ago.
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Croatia9505 Posts
On August 12 2010 03:27 Random() wrote:
I see no problem with Blizzard's position. "But they didn't care for 7 years" is such a bad argument.
It's like you took your neighbour's unique ball while he wasn't looking and used it to play a great spectacular game for 7 years, gathering a lot of fans and making money from broadcasts. Nobody cared that it wasn't your ball.
Then the neighbour comes and says "Hey, that's my ball! If you don't want me to take it away from you you have to pay me something!". And the fans are all over him booing and telling him what a fucked up greedy idiot he is, but they don't want to give up his ball because it's better that any ball ever made and no other ball will make the game so spectacular.
Well, bad luck. You should have asked him if it was OK to play with his ball (and make money off it) long ago.
lol nice analogy.
I'd definitely be among those fans booing the neighbor!
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